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Title: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums -Solved!
Post by: Otto Puzzell on April 28, 2007, 04:43:06 AM
Today, dear friends and colleagues, I submit to you a puzzle of a different sort. A devilishly difficult dirty dozen of transportation devices, in need of identification. Some are difficult, some are easy. However, to be declared the winner on this particular puzzle, you must correctly ID all 12 of the vehicles shown, per the criteria given below each picture. No points for 1, 2, 3….etc. You must ID all 12. If you are the first to do so, I’ll award 12 points (one per car), plus a bonus (for solving the puzzle).

Can you stand the pressure, knowing that if you guess early, and ID one or more of these cars, you are most assuredly helping a fellow puzzler get the points? Do you dare tip your hand early? Or will  you lie in wait, pouncing at the last possible moment – perhaps waiting too long?

Are you up the challenge?

Let's begin:

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade1.jpg)
#1 Carrozzeria, and the production car upon which it is based.

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade2.jpg)
#2 Make and model

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade3.jpg)
#3 Make, model and country of origin

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade4.jpg)
#4 Make, model, and production car upon which it is based

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade5.jpg)
#5 Manufacturer, and production car upon which it is based

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade6.jpg)
#6 Carrozzeria, and the production car upon which it is based.

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade7.jpg)
#7 Manufacturer and model designation

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade8.jpg)
#8 Make and model

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade9.jpg)
#9 What is it, and who built it?

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade10.jpg)
#10 Make and model.

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade11.jpg)
#11 What is it, and who designed it?

(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Kavelcade12.jpg)
#12 Make and model

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Thanks!
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: porridgehead on April 28, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
Any hints on which ones are easy? Looking at that dirty dozen I am drawing not just a blank but on a lot of them, I don't even know where to start.

Nice puzzle Karn.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: MG on April 28, 2007, 12:46:41 PM
Oh this is devishly diabolical of your, Master Utz. IF we guess, we risk revealing important information to others. If we DON"T guess, then we never find out nuthin'. Cruel, cruel, Utz!    :D
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: SeaLion on April 28, 2007, 05:35:12 PM
Maybe two of us could solve the task together?

I know:
#1 - the production base car
#2 - i have an idea of both make and model (complete)
#3 - -
#4 - make, model and base car (complete)
#5 - i have an idea of the production base car
#6 - -
#7 - i think i have seen it earlier
#8 - make and model (complete)
#9 - -
#10 - i have seen it earlier
#11 - -
#12 - -
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on April 29, 2007, 01:41:20 AM
good idea.

this is what I think I know

#1 as you said
#2 100% sure
#3 100% sure
#4 no idea, but you seem to know :)
#5 will find it on my hard drive
#6 100% sure
#7 I may know the base car
#8  I have it on my hard drive
#9 90% sure
#10 100%sure
#11 no idea
#12 looks familiar, we´ll find it...
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on April 29, 2007, 07:06:33 AM
You guys are doing great. I'll have to make the next one more difficult. ;)
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: SeaLion on April 29, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
After some searching my list looks like this:

#1 - the production base car
#2 - make and this very model (complete)
#3 - make, model and country of origin (complete)
#4 - make, model and base car (complete)
#5 - -
#6 - -
#7 - -
#8 - make and model (complete)
#9 - make, 99% sure about the model, but no clues who built it
#10 - "make" and model (complete, but the car is just a construction firm's concept, not a "make")
#11 - -
#12 - -
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 06:29:48 AM
is #11 an electric truck, maybe a Brockway?

the bumper looks american...

maybe there´s another pic that shows it from another angle?
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 06:29:48 AM
is #11 an electric truck, maybe a Brockway?

the bumper looks american...

maybe there´s another pic that shows it from another angle?

Not one of those. I'll see if I can dig up another pic.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 09:59:22 AM
So #11  is european?
gasoline-engined?
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 09:59:22 AM
So #11  is european?
gasoline-engined?

No; yes.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 11:03:41 AM
not american, not european  :o

asian, then?
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 11:20:50 AM
By "not one of those", above, I meant it was not a Brockway, nor an electric vehicle.

This truck is American.

Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 11:56:04 AM
Like the Land Rover and Jeep Forward Control versions this might be based on something we might know better?

Was it used as a milk truck, too?
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 01:20:02 PM
I don't know if it was used as a milk truck. It was built by a well-known manufacturer of cars and trucks.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
It  has a rather strange body. Something like an airport service vehicle...

Well, my first guess was Jeep, my second is Studebaker.

Unfortunately Salmson is not american...
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 01:42:31 PM
Yes! Now, can you give the rest of the answer?
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 01:45:09 PM
#11 is kind of a Jeep airport vehicle... :-\

I only know the FC Jeeps (too big and the Fleetvan (too small, I fear)
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 02:33:19 PM
No, it's a Studebaker.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 03:40:53 PM
So would you accept "Studebaker based airport ground support vehicle" for pic # 11?
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 03:47:42 PM
Still need the designer.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 03, 2007, 03:55:22 PM
O.K.:

I´ll go where a man´s got to go and uncover my proposals. I hope I did get all of your questions right and understood them the right way.

So here they are:

#1: VW-Beetle-based Vergo Chiasso 1956, swiss roadster

#2: Alfa Romeo Giulietta Giardinetta Carrozzeria Colli Station Wagon
 changed my opinion afterwards: Colli is bullshit this is the BONESCHI WEEKENDINA, based on the AR Giulietta

#3: FSO Warszawa 223 from Poland

#4: Hamblin DeLuxe Roadster ca.1956/57 based on Austin 7/Ford chassis
 to be changed? Look at my comment later...

#5: Convair Roadster with Gullwing - Top, based on a MG TC

#6: Seat 1400 C Serra descapotable Frua designed / overall technical layout by Dante Giacosa

#7: Yamaha YX30/II Concept Car 1961, Japan

#8: AGEA (Atelier Genevois d`Etudes Automobiles) de Toledo, ca. 1954/55 with Crosley engine

#9: Austin-licenced Nissan/Datsun A50 Cambridge Countryman, built in Japan

#10: Mazel Identity i1 Concept Car

#11: Studebaker 1964 truck prototype, designed by Randy Faurot

#12: Speedex Sirocco
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 04:54:54 PM
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Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2007, 04:59:00 PM
I'll do one more check of your answers before I declare you the winner, but, by Jove, I think you've done it!

The next one will be harder, I promise.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 04, 2007, 04:47:45 AM
#1: VW-Beetle-based Vergo Chiasso 1956, swiss roadster.  Verga, but close enough - correct!

#2: Alfa Romeo Giulietta Giardinetta Carrozzeria Colli Station Wagon. No, but very close.

#3: FSO Warszawa 223 from Poland. Correct!

#4: Hamblin DeLuxe Roadster ca.1956/57 based on Austin 7/Ford chassis. Fill in the blank: Hamblin _________ DeLeLuxe Roadster

#5: Convair Roadster with Gullwing - Top, based on a MG TC. Correct!

#6: Seat 1400 C Serra descapotable Frua designed / overall technical layout by Dante Giacosa. Correct!

#7: Yamaha YX30/II Concept Car 1961, Japan. Correct!

#8: AGEA (Atelier Genevois d`Etudes Automobiles) de Toledo, ca. 1954/55 with Crosley engine. Correct!

#9: Austin-licenced Nissan/Datsun A50 Cambridge Countryman, built in Japan. Correct!

#10: Mazel Identity i1 Concept Car. Correct!

#11: Studebaker 1964 truck prototype, designed by Randy Faurot. Correct!

#12: Speedex Sirocco. Correct!
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 07:10:37 AM
Oh, come on. I´ve found the Hamblin here (and this was the only picture and lonely source I was able to find in the whole big internet universe):

http://www.1950sspecials.com/hamblin%201.htm

That´s what they say: "Sid Hamblin had been running his panel beating business for a number of years when, in late 1956, with some time on his hands he designed a body shell that could be used on an Austin Seven chassis. In April 1957 he launched what was to become known as the Hamblin Deluxe. Made of aluminium and although designed specifically for the later 6'9" wheelbase chassis, Sid was quite happy to modify a body to suite 6'3" or a Ford 7'4" chassis. No price was ever advertised, but early adds quoted that it would compare favorably with those fibreglass bodies now available."

So maybe this can also be called "Hamblin Seven deluxe Roadster" or "Hamblin Austin Seven deluxe Roadster" or "Hamblin Salmson" at least... ???

I was wrong with the Alfa - it is the:

 Alfa Romeo Giulietta, modified to be called afterwards the:

Boneschi Weekendina

http://motor.astalaweb.net/Galer%C3%ADa/index.asp?action=displayimage&item=images%2F%5FMarcas%2FAlfa+Romeo%2FALFA+ROMEO+BONESCHI+Weekendina%2Ejpg
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 04, 2007, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 07:10:37 AM
Oh, come on. I´ve found the Hamblin here (and this was the only picture and lonely source I was able to find in the whole big internet universe):

http://www.1950sspecials.com/hamblin%201.htm

Be that as it may, there is more information available than that which you have uncovered so far.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 10:43:30 AM
You are kiddin´, aren´t you?

Everywhere I find any information about it it is called the Hamblin DeLuxe.


My last guess without any source would be Hamblin Special DeLuxe Roadster
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: SeaLion on May 04, 2007, 12:15:16 PM
#4 Hamblin Sports Car from 1958 based on the Austin 7.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Ultra on May 04, 2007, 02:48:04 PM
Quote from: KarnUtz on May 04, 2007, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 07:10:37 AM
Oh, come on. I´ve found the Hamblin here (and this was the only picture and lonely source I was able to find in the whole big internet universe):

http://www.1950sspecials.com/hamblin%201.htm

Be that as it may, there is more information available than that which you have uncovered so far.

Hardass.

 :shiner:
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 03:09:24 PM
you name  it...

 :-X
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Ultra on May 04, 2007, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 03:09:24 PM
you name  it...

 :-X

I was teasing Karn, not you.

 ;D
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Allan L on May 05, 2007, 05:36:07 AM
Don't forget that the world has other research facilities that the internet.
Books and magazines, for example!
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 05, 2007, 06:51:57 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on May 04, 2007, 07:10:37 AM

Boneschi Weekendina


Correct!
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 05, 2007, 07:47:49 AM
You can be sure I´ve searched through my ca. 1200 automotive books...
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: grobmotorix on May 06, 2007, 06:10:01 AM
Well this seems to be a internet quiz, so it should be possible to solve it via the net, only, too.

I´ve found a pic of one surviving Hamblin:

http://www.1950sspecials.com/PIC_0012.JPG

and some text pieces all speaking just of the Hamblin DeLuxe...

As I can´t find any more infos, there may be some more possible names due to the Super Accessories Connection:

Hamblin Super (Accessories) Deluxe Roadster
Hamblin Montgomery Deluxe Roadster

but I think this is a rather weird discussion, to be honest.
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 06, 2007, 06:26:18 AM
My book refers to it as the Hamblin Dorset Deluxe Roadster.

You've been a good sport, so I'm declaring you the winner.  :)
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums -Solved!
Post by: grobmotorix on May 06, 2007, 07:12:45 AM
Thank you KarnUtz.   ::)

Would you be so kind and  uncover the title of the book, you´ve mentioned?

I´m always looking for valuable sources...
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums -Solved!
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 06, 2007, 07:47:57 AM
Nice try. ;D
Title: Re: KarnUtz’ Kavalcade of Kar & Truck Konundrums -Solved!
Post by: grobmotorix on May 06, 2007, 11:31:29 AM
well... ;)