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Title: One from Allan L's archives:11.9 Phoenix engines on test
Post by: Allan L on May 14, 2007, 04:21:04 PM
Not a car but engines: have a go at working out whose engine test house this was around the time of the Great War.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 14, 2007, 04:50:59 PM
I'll start the guessing with Rolls Royce
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on May 14, 2007, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: KarnUtz on May 14, 2007, 04:50:59 PM
I'll start the guessing with Rolls Royce
That really is guessing!
Surely a man of your calibre can judge the size of the engines better than that
:P
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 15, 2007, 04:35:05 AM
It was hard to tell if these are complete engines, or just sub-assemblies.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on May 15, 2007, 04:51:52 AM
Quote from: KarnUtz on May 15, 2007, 04:35:05 AM
It was hard to tell if these are complete engines, or just sub-assemblies.
I did say it was an engine test house . . .
The electrical panel in the background may have something to do with the dynamometers' energy dissipation.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 15, 2007, 05:20:18 AM
Sub-assemblies get tested, too.

In other words, I have no idea what engine this is!  ;D
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: GRAYWOLF on May 15, 2007, 09:23:03 AM
Baker?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on May 15, 2007, 09:42:09 AM
Quote from: GRAYWOLF on May 15, 2007, 09:23:03 AM
Baker?
No, they are IC engines ;D
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: GRAYWOLF on May 15, 2007, 11:19:15 AM
Looked like battery boxes sitting on top. I have never seen 180deg engine before!
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on May 15, 2007, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: GRAYWOLF on May 15, 2007, 11:19:15 AM
Looked like battery boxes sitting on top. I have never seen 180deg engine before!
If it were a 180 deg engine (and look at a Subaru to see one!) I'd agree, but those are extended crankcase sides to mount on chassis side members.
The bit standing up with the water pipe heading off top left is the cylinder block.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: GRAYWOLF on May 15, 2007, 02:39:17 PM
2cyl?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: GRAYWOLF on May 15, 2007, 02:47:11 PM
Trabant or Zaporozhets
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: D-type on May 15, 2007, 03:52:06 PM
Looking at the arm position of the middle tester it could be Austrian  :D

- Steyr?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on May 15, 2007, 04:04:52 PM
None of the above - and they have four cylinders
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on May 22, 2007, 06:48:45 PM
Possibly useful clue: this test house was within a mile of where I live, and the buildings are still there, though not used as a car factory for 75+ years
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Otto Puzzell on June 01, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
Armstrong Siddeley
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on June 01, 2007, 06:02:43 PM
Not Armstrong Siddeley
These engines were offered to William Morris for his cars when the Continental supply failed, but he did not use them.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: D-type on June 05, 2007, 04:26:16 PM
Meadows?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on June 05, 2007, 05:29:53 PM
Not Meadows.
If you look back three posts, you'll see that, unlike Meadows of Wolverhampton, it wasn't in the Black Country
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Arthur Dent on June 05, 2007, 06:55:11 PM
White and Poppe?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Tifosi on June 06, 2007, 02:58:09 PM
Anzani?


Dan
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Otto Puzzell on June 08, 2007, 08:16:09 AM
Daimler
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on June 19, 2007, 02:25:12 AM
none of the above
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on July 14, 2007, 07:33:26 AM
This is the sort of car these engines would power. I wonder if that will help anyone?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: otto on July 30, 2007, 06:22:31 PM
I am guessing a Lanchester. They were known for horizontal opposed engines. At first two cylinder later four. That would make the picture about The late teens.

otto
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on July 31, 2007, 04:35:16 AM
Quote from: otto on July 30, 2007, 06:22:31 PM
I am guessing a Lanchester. They were known for horizontal opposed engines. At first two cylinder later four. That would make the picture about The late teens.

otto

As I wrote before, these are not horizontally opposed engines.
Late teens would be about right, however.

Off thread, Lanchester twin-cylinder opposed engines had been superceded by the in-line four-cylinder 20 h.p. by late 1904
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Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: GRAYWOLF on July 31, 2007, 09:18:00 AM
Renault?
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on July 31, 2007, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: GRAYWOLF on July 31, 2007, 09:18:00 AM
Renault?
No

I recommend you read what has been asked, and the answers I've given!
Oh, and look up where I live . . .
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: GRAYWOLF on July 31, 2007, 05:59:00 PM
I didn't know if maybe they may have imported some engines at some time...
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Still here!
Time to let it rise from the ashes.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on October 17, 2007, 03:59:55 AM
Quote from: Allan L on September 18, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Still here!
Time to let it rise from the ashes.

Still here: how much of a clue do you lot need then??  ???
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: max on October 17, 2007, 02:30:45 PM
I'd buy a salamander or a phoenix, but do a wyvern's flames have by-products of any sort?  Closest to North Herts I can think of is the Vauxhall Iron Works.
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on October 17, 2007, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: max on October 17, 2007, 02:30:45 PM
I'd buy a salamander or a phoenix, but do a wyvern's flames have by-products of any sort?  Closest to North Herts I can think of is the Vauxhall Iron Works.
Not the Iron Works (aka Bedfordshire's branch of Generous Mo'ers), but the above is closer than you may think.
The company involved closed in the mid-1920s
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: max on October 17, 2007, 06:51:00 PM
If at first you don't succeed.........
http://lgcs.amolad.net/phoenix.htm
Title: Re: One from Allan L's archives
Post by: Allan L on October 18, 2007, 02:34:38 AM
Quote from: max on October 17, 2007, 06:51:00 PM
If at first you don't succeed.........
http://lgcs.amolad.net/phoenix.htm

Well done, though it has taken a lot of clues/hints for the combined talents of Autopuzzles to get there.
They are Phoenix 11.9 engines on test in the Phoenix works at Letchworth, either just before or just after the Great War.
Here is the Managing Director in one of his cars: