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Title: Classical Gas #1 Solved by Allemano, Dhoffman, @re & Paul Jaray
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2008, 05:43:58 AM
Per some hints and suggestions from P'head, Allan L, and others, this is a first attempt at a matching puzzle with a classical music theme. To test the concept, I'm trying a couple of different formats - electronic recordings of music, snippets of sheet music of well-know compositions, and, of course, pictures of cars.

I trust these will be rather easy, as my knowledge of classical music is not very deep, and because so many compositions are named "such and such number six", and other such workaday titles, that finding automobiles which share a matching name is difficult. In any case, I'm sure the classical music buffs will easily ID the music, and then be challenged with matching it to the associated car. And those Puzzlers with limited knowledge of classical compositions, the reverse should work for you - i.e., identify the cars (some of which are very easy to identify), and match them up with the composition,

Here goes - enjoy!

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGcar1.jpg)
Car #1    1957 Cadillac Eldorado Seville / @re

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGcar2.jpg)
Car #2    Lotus Elise / Allemano

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGcar3.jpg)
Car #3    Gladiator 12 HP / Paul Jaray


(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGcar4.jpg)
Car #4    Bill Fredric's Valkyrie Jet Car / @re

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGcar5.jpg)
Car #5    Nissan Figaro / DHoffman

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGcar6.jpg)
Car #6

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGmusic1.jpg)
Music #1    Rossini's "The Barber of Seville" / @re

Music File 2 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/CGmusic2.mp3)
Music #2    Beethoven's "Für Elise" / Allemano

Music File 3 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/CGmusic3.mp3)
Music #3    "Entry Of The Gladiators" by Fucik / Allemano

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGmusic4.jpg)
Music #4    Ride of the Valkyries by Wagner / @re

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/KarnUtz/Classical%20Gas/CGmusic5.jpg)
Music #5    Die Hochzeit des Figaro by Mozart / DHoffman

Music File 6 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/CGmusic6%20.mp3)
Music #6    Rondeau by Mouret /Allemano
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Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 03, 2008, 05:56:11 AM
The last clip won't play... apart from that it's a great puzzle. I'm looking forward to its promotion ;)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2008, 06:03:31 AM
Fixed - thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 03, 2008, 06:05:59 AM
Car #2 goes together with compostion #1 which is called "Pour Elise" or "Für Elise" from the great Ludwig van...
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2008, 06:09:07 AM
What is car #2? (you have to name the car and the composition to gain points) :)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 03, 2008, 06:13:45 AM
#2 car Lotus Elise goes together with Music #1 Beethoven's "Für Elise" (For Elise)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2008, 07:40:39 AM
That is an incorrect match.
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: DHoffmann on September 03, 2008, 07:46:12 AM
#5 car: Nissan Figaro #5 music: Die Hochzeit des Figaro (Mozart)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 03, 2008, 07:51:35 AM
Did the files change?  ??? Music file 2 'für Elise' goes together with car #2 Lotus Elise. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2008, 09:16:34 AM
Quote from: DHoffmann on September 03, 2008, 07:46:12 AM
#5 car: Nissan Figaro #5 music: Die Hochzeit des Figaro (Mozart)

Yes!
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2008, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 03, 2008, 07:51:35 AM
Music file 2 'für Elise' goes together with car #2 Lotus Elise. Is that correct?

Yes!

Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 05, 2008, 05:16:22 AM
Moved!
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 05, 2008, 05:54:10 AM
A couple of questions - do you want the original name of composition #3 or the more commonly known name used most often in the US?

And is car #4 perhaps named after a brutal and violent kind of person?
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 05, 2008, 06:10:19 AM
Quote from: @re on September 05, 2008, 05:54:10 AM
A couple of questions - do you want the original name of composition #3 or the more commonly known name used most often in the US?

And is car #4 perhaps named after a brutal and violent kind of person?

The names by which most English-speaking persons would know them.

As to number 4, it's a bit early for clues.  ;)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 05, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
English-speaking, yes, but this composition has been re-written for a particular kind of use, and was renamed for that use.

Regarding car #4: I wasn't looking for clues, I merely wanted a yes or no, before I blew my guess and made things easy for others... :)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 05, 2008, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: @re on September 05, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
English-speaking, yes, but this composition has been re-written for a particular kind of use, and was renamed for that use.

Regarding car #4: I wasn't looking for clues, I merely wanted a yes or no, before I blew my guess and made things easy for others... :)

No, I don't believe song #3 was retitled, though I believe the venue in which it is often used might be a disappointment to its composer.

As to car #4, I'd say your original assumption was pretty good. But, seeing as it's a one-off, built for a very specific purpose, I'm going to need more than a one-word name  arrived at through process of elimination of the other titles.
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 05, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
Then my question is this, as I know a couple of the puzzle pieces here: Will I be awarded a point for identifying either a song or a car, or are there no points unless the pair (both parts of the puzzle) is correctly identified?
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2008, 06:25:42 AM
Good question, since I didn't specify this up front. I'll award a point for wither. But if somebody is the first to ID both halves of the match, I'll give a point for each half, plus a bonus point for making the connection. If a puzzler identifies only one half, and another puzzler the other half, they each get one point, and the bonus point goes to me.  8)








Just kidding about that last part - if a puzzler identifies only one half, and another puzzler the other half, they each get one point, and the bonus point goes to nobody.  :)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 06, 2008, 06:44:51 AM
Track #3 is  "Entry Of The Gladiators (the brutal and violent person(s) I guess  ;D )" composed by Julius Fucik, unfortunately  rather related to clowns' entry, but do not know the car which it's related on!  ???
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 06, 2008, 07:12:21 AM
Yes, it is. It is more commonly known in circuses as "Thunder and Blazes", which is the name it was given by Louis-Phillipe Laurendeau when he arranged it for small bands in 1910. I was going to guess that car #4 is the jet-powered Gladiator (which I have never heard of, I must admit)...

Car #6 is the Rondeau M 382 C which competed at LeMans in 1982. I haven't found out which music piece it's supposed to go along with, but I understand which direction you want us to look in :)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 06, 2008, 07:26:08 AM
Quote from: @re on September 06, 2008, 07:12:21 AM
I was going to guess that car #4 is the jet-powered Gladiator (which I have never heard of, I must admit)...

So did I, but I'm quite as clueless as you!

I do also have a clue on which kind of music the Rondeau Porsche is related on, but can't find the name of the particular track
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 06, 2008, 07:50:34 AM
AAAhhh now I got it:
track/music #6 is Jean-Joseph Mouret's (1682-1738) "Rondeau" aka "The theme from PBS Masterpiece Theater" is related to car #6 the "Rondeau M 382 C"!  :-*

I've to admit without @re's assists I hadn't been able solved it!
He deserves atleast one point as well!
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2008, 08:06:32 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 06, 2008, 07:26:08 AM

I do also have a clue on which kind of music the Rondeau Porsche is related on, but can't find the name of the particular track

FWIW, it's not a Rondeau Porsche. I posted a picture of this car with a Porsche transporter partially in the shot as a 'red herring', as is my way. This car was powered by a Ford DFV engine. ;)


Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 06, 2008, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2008, 08:06:32 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 06, 2008, 07:26:08 AM

I do also have a clue on which kind of music the Rondeau Porsche is related on, but can't find the name of the particular track

FWIW, it's not a Rondeau Porsche. I posted a picture of this car with a Porsche transporter partially in the shot as a 'red herring', as is my way. This car was powered by a Ford DFV engine. ;)

Trapped!  :'( ;D
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
No problem - no points were at risk.  :D
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 13, 2008, 07:03:13 PM
Car #4 is Bill Fredric's Valkyrie Jet Car. And then it doesn't take much imagination to guess which music piece that goes with it :)

Music piece #4 is the Ride of the Valkyries by German master composer Richard Wagner.
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: @re on September 13, 2008, 08:15:16 PM
I am a hobby musician myself, I play the trumpet (a bit) and I sing quite a lot. I played in a brass band when I was little - so I read sheet music. Which means it didn't take me long to find out how music piece #1 goes... and it's quite famous, I just couldn't find out which piece it was. A colleague of mine said he thought it must be from an opera, and he was right - I've just not managed to find out which. Until I realised that car #1 was a 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Seville... then things started to dawn on me.

Music piece #1 is a page from Gioachino Rossini's "The Barber of Seville". Of course...
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 14, 2008, 07:46:43 AM
Yep, and yep.
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 14, 2008, 08:44:20 AM
One car remains to be identified - should be easy with the information provided herein.
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on September 14, 2008, 09:28:28 AM
To come to the end of this : There was a Fench brand named "Gladiator" founded by A. Darracq. Later the company's name changed beside others to "Clement-Gladiator".
Unfortunately I can't find any car that resembles car #3..  ???
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: DHoffmann on September 14, 2008, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 14, 2008, 09:28:28 AM
To come to the end of this : There was a Fench brand from named "Gladiator" founded by A. Darracq,. Later the company's name changed beside others to "Clement-Gladiator".
Unfortunately I can't find any car that resembles car#3  ???
To add to that, it appears to be at a British motor show, my guess would be that it's a different car with a Gladiator model designation, although I can't find anything that resembles it either...
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 14, 2008, 11:51:10 AM
Keep after it, boys!
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 25, 2008, 03:35:30 AM
:car: moved
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on October 16, 2008, 03:56:34 AM
Would be fine to get some hints/help!  ;)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 16, 2008, 04:01:16 AM
Well, you have the name of the car, and a picture of the car. All that remains is to find who built it. Some possible ID's have already been suggested and declared incorrect.

I found the picture on the net - judicious Googling should solve it.
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on October 16, 2008, 08:07:06 AM
Vinot et Deguingand?
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Ray B. on October 16, 2008, 08:15:01 AM
No relation with car #3 but I am curious to know, by the way:  what happened to the tailfins of this Eldorado Seville?
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 16, 2008, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on October 16, 2008, 04:01:16 AM


I found the picture on the net - judicious Googling should solve it.

It's true I googled Gladiator car....the 2nd result: November 1913: An aluminium 12 HP Gladiator car on show at Olympia
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 17, 2008, 05:01:27 AM
Quote from: Ray B. on October 16, 2008, 08:15:01 AM
No relation with car #3 but I am curious to know, by the way:  what happened to the tailfins of this Eldorado Seville?

I-dunno-d'oh!
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 17, 2008, 05:04:00 AM
And another one down, another one down, another one bites the dust - hey!

Well done, gentlemen. Here be the points (ID + Bonus pairing points):

Allemano   4   +   1
Dhoffman   2   +     1
@re                5        +       2
Paul Jaray   1      


Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: Allemano on October 17, 2008, 05:51:02 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 16, 2008, 12:51:13 PM
It's true I googled Gladiator car....the 2nd result: November 1913: An aluminium 12 HP Gladiator car on show at Olympia

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH! Unblievable!  Faraway, So Close! (http://www.mysmilie.de/midi-smileys/verwirrt/1/0012.gif) (http://www.mysmilie.de/)
Title: Re: Classical Gasoline #1
Post by: DynaMike on October 17, 2008, 05:51:41 AM
Quote from: Ray B. on October 16, 2008, 08:15:01 AM
No relation with car #3 but I am curious to know, by the way:  what happened to the tailfins of this Eldorado Seville?

I guess the Cadillac has visited the Barber of Seville?
Title: Re: Classical Gas #1 Solved by Allemano, Dhoffman, @re & Paul Jaray
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 17, 2008, 06:10:30 AM
 ;D