A NEW PAIRING PUZZLE:
20 faces, 20 cars. All these people gave their names to a car make. Your job is to make pairs. Some are easy to find, some will be tougher, there's even a custom.
THE RULES:
I will only answer to posts who propose a pair. A correct pairing is worth 2 points.
Identification or just a car, or a face, WON'T BE ANSWERED AT ALL and gets you nothing.
Please give the first NAME AND SURNAME of the "faces", and the make and eventually model and year of the cars.
Erroneous pairings will bring a "50% correct" answer from me. I won't say what's right, the car or the man. You must keep searching, but other puzzlers can't take advantage of your answer to complete the pair.
This puzzle will remain about a week in the expert section, then move up to pro level so they can have fun too.
Now the last ten cars.
Oh, I forgot to say (but you're getting used to it): some badges have been blurred or erased, naturally.
F10 - David Dunbar Buick
#6 - Buick Grand National GNX (1987)
F18 - Nicola Romeo
#16 - Alfa Romeo Arna (1983-1987)
F3 - Louis Chevrolet
#19 - Chevrolet Chevette
F11 the Hon Charles Rolls - Car 14 c1915 Rolls-Royce armoured car
F12 Herbert Austin - Car 11 c1924 Austin 16
F16 Walter Owne Bentley - car 20 an unbelievably tarted-up Bentley 3 litre of about 1922
F17 Mercédès Jellinek - Car 4 1914 Grand Prix Mercédès
Quote from: ImpishGrin on November 23, 2008, 12:31:53 PM
F10 - David Dunbar Buick
#6 - Buick Grand National GNX (1987) :)
F18 - Nicola Romeo
#16 - Alfa Romeo Arna (1983-1987) :)
F3 - Louis Chevrolet
#19 - Chevrolet Chevette :) (year please?)
F-8: James Ward Packard
#09: Packard Panther Daytona 1954
F-5: John North Willys
#07: Aero-Willys 2600 1963
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F11 the Hon Charles Rolls - Car 14 c1915 Rolls-Royce armoured car :)
F12 Herbert Austin - Car 11 c1924 Austin 16 75% correct. Year and model wrong
F16 Walter Owne Bentley - car 20 an unbelievably tarted-up Bentley 3 litre of about 1922 75%correct. Year wrong. Coachbuilder would be nice
F17 Mercédès Jellinek - Car 4 1914 Grand Prix Mercédès 75% correct. I've got a different year, and a driver's name. Can you find it, or prove me wrong?
As he is very close, these pairs and points are locked to anyone but Allan for 10 days.
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 23, 2008, 01:03:55 PM
F-8: James Ward Packard
#09: Packard Panther Daytona 1954 :)
F-5: John North Willys
#07: Aero-Willys 2600 1963 :)
Damn! This is going much faster than I thought.
Quote from: Ray B. on November 23, 2008, 12:59:42 PM
F3 - Louis Chevrolet
#19 - Chevrolet Chevette :) (year please?)
1977-1983
F-4: Charles W. Nash
#05: Nash Ambassador 8 1936
F-13 is Vincenzo "Censin" Lancia.
Name-15 is the Appia engined Lancia 'Dagrada' Formula Junior from 1959.
F-19: Ransom Eli Olds
#10: Oldsmobile Firenza Coupe. For the year I only have a guess: 1988.
Quote from: ImpishGrin on November 23, 2008, 01:23:00 PM
Quote from: Ray B. on November 23, 2008, 12:59:42 PM
F3 - Louis Chevrolet
#19 - Chevrolet Chevette :) (year please?)
1977-1983
You could be more precise. You'll have the point, though.
Quote from: Allemano on November 23, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
F-13 is Vincenzo "Censin" Lancia.
Name-15 is the Appia engined Lancia 'Dagrada' Formula Junior from 1959. :)
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 23, 2008, 03:02:10 PM
F-19: Ransom Eli Olds
#10: Oldsmobile Firenza Coupe. For the year I only have a guess: 1988. :)
It's a 1987, but close enough.
Great puzzle!
F-1: Freelan O. Stanley
#02: A Stanley Steamer. 725 Touring from about 1916?
F-7: André Citroën
#03: Citroën Rosalie 10 NH Cabriolet 1934
F-15: Joseph L. Hudson
#13: Hudson H Racer 1916
F-20: Horace Elgin Dodge
#17: Dodge Dart hot rod. It started its life as a 270 Convertible in 1965, I guess.
F-2 is Lionel Martin, co-founder of Aston Martin Motors Ltd. I think he is supposed to be paired with car #18, which is a Lagonda V12 Rapide Drophead Coupe from 1938-39. I'm not sure these cars were built and sold as Astons. As far as I know, the merger betwen Lagonda and Aston Martin took only place in 1948 when David Brown, who had bought both companies, unified them.
I'm actually sure they weren't ;) Lionel Martin was the first person I recognised (Aston Martin is my favourite brand), but no matter how I tried I haven't been able to match a car to him :P
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 24, 2008, 04:57:36 AM
F-2 is Lionel Martin, co-founder of Aston Martin Motors Ltd. I think he is supposed to be paired with car #18, which is a Lagonda V12 Rapide Drophead Coupe from 1938-39. I'm not sure these cars were built and sold as Astons. As far as I know, the merger betwen Lagonda and Aston Martin took only place in 1948 when David Brown, who had bought both companies, unified them.
Yes I'm blowed if I can find someone called "Lagonda", bearing in mind too that the company was not given its founder's name!
I assumed that the name has to be the same as the company/car.
Well, maybe we can find a certain mr. Rapide there? ;D
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 24, 2008, 04:57:36 AM
Great puzzle!
Appreciated
F-1: Freelan O. Stanley
#02: A Stanley Steamer. 725 Touring from about 1916? :)My source doesn't give any details about the model and I didn't check. I'm taking your word for it.
F-7: André Citroën
#03: Citroën Rosalie 10 NH Cabriolet 1934 :) But from what I know "cabriolet" is not the right word. What would it be?
F-15: Joseph L. Hudson
#13: Hudson H Racer 1916 :)
F-20: Horace Elgin Dodge
#17: Dodge Dart hot rod. It started its life as a 270 Convertible in 1965, I guess. :) 1964. Close enough
F-2 is Lionel Martin, co-founder of Aston Martin Motors Ltd. I think he is supposed to be paired with car #18, which is a Lagonda V12 Rapide Drophead Coupe from 1938-39. I'm not sure these cars were built and sold as Astons. As far as I know, the merger betwen Lagonda and Aston Martin took only place in 1948 when David Brown, who had bought both companies, unified them. :) You're right. My source's mistake, but I didn't check.
Ehhxekt (gosh, man, I have to check each time so as not to mis-spell your name!) has the 2 points for the Martin pair, as he cleverly guessed my mistake. Nevertheless, I think that Impi... (same remark) and Allan L (no problem there) both deserve a point for having been mislead by me. Sorry.
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 23, 2008, 01:43:16 PM
F-4: Charles W. Nash
#05: Nash Ambassador 8 1936 :)
I'm moving it to pro level, but the poor guys have only three left...
Quote from: Ray B. on November 23, 2008, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F11 the Hon Charles Rolls - Car 14 c1915 Rolls-Royce armoured car :)
F12 Herbert Austin - Car 11 c1924 Austin 16 75% correct. Year and model wrong
F16 Walter Owne Bentley - car 20 an unbelievably tarted-up Bentley 3 litre of about 1922 75%correct. Year wrong. Coachbuilder would be nice
F17 Mercédès Jellinek - Car 4 1914 Grand Prix Mercédès 75% correct. I've got a different year, and a driver's name. Can you find it, or prove me wrong?
As he is very close, these pairs and points are locked to anyone but Allan for 10 days.
Thanks, Ray. Those were just dredged from memory, without time to look anything up.
The Grand Prix Mercédès must be the 1914 model, but the comp. nos. in 1914 were
Pilette 4
Sailer 14
Lautenschlager 28
Salzer 39
Wagner 40
The car that de Palma drove to victory at Indianapolis in 1915 was numbered 2 as it was in other 1915 races.
It was numbered 10 at the Chicago 300 mile race in 1916 and for most of the 1916 races.
Quote from: Ray B. on November 24, 2008, 05:23:50 AM
#03: Citroën Rosalie 10 NH Cabriolet 1934 :) But from what I know "cabriolet" is not the right word. What would it be?
Could it be 'Décapotable', then?
EDIT: Oops, this was a stupid guess. The car has a pillarless phaeton body. Phaetons are often called 'Tourers': is that the right word?
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F16 Walter Owen Bentley - car 20 an unbelievably tarted-up Bentley 3 litre of about 1922
It appears on an internet site as a 1926 Speed model with a Barker body.
I'm not convinced that beaded edge tyres were still fitted in 1926 and I've never seen a Barker body that looked so strange, but there you go!
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F17 Mercédès Jellinek - Car 4 1914 Grand Prix Mercédès
Allan: I'm not so good ad old Mercedes racing cars, so I guess you've got the year and model right. But from my source (and it seems a very documented source), the race is the1922 Targa Florio, and the car
La numero 38 , une Mercedes 28-95 7.300cc conduite par Max Sailer (6°)The points are yours.
Quote from: Allan L on November 24, 2008, 05:57:38 AM
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F16 Walter Owen Bentley - car 20 an unbelievably tarted-up Bentley 3 litre of about 1922
It appears on an internet site as a 1926 Speed model with a Barker body.
I'm not convinced that beaded edge tyres were still fitted in 1926 and I've never seen a Barker body that looked so strange, but there you go!
Right. That body deserved to be attributed to its true maker, didn't it?
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 24, 2008, 05:52:20 AM
Could it be 'Décapotable', then?
EDIT: Oops, this was a stupid guess. The car has a pillarless phaeton body. Phaetons are often called 'Tourers': is that the right word?
Not in France. This is a french car, remember. It's just for the sake of exactness.
Quote from: Ray B. on November 24, 2008, 06:28:52 AM
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F17 Mercédès Jellinek - Car 4 1914 Grand Prix Mercédès
Allan: I'm not so good ad old Mercedes racing cars, so I guess you've got the year and model right. But from my source (and it seems a very documented source), the race is the1922 Targa Florio, and the car La numero 38 , une Mercedes 28-95 7.300cc conduite par Max Sailer (6°)
The points are yours.
I still think it's a 1914-type Mercédès: at the Targa Florio in 1922 there were three cars based on the 1914 GP car, driven by Lautenschlager, Salzer and Mazetti.They had 4.9 litre engines adn four-wheel brakes (which was an obvious thing in your photo that I had not picked up!)
Mazetti won carrying no 40, but I can't find the other comp. nos.
What I am pretty certain it is not is a 28-95 (see below)
F-1 and Name-2: Freelan O. Stanley and Stanley Steamer. 725 Touring from about 1916 Ehhxekt
F-2 and Name-18: Lionel Martin and a 1939 Lagonda Rapide (oops, not an Aston-Martin yet) Ehhxekt
F-3 and Name-19 Louis Chevrolet and 1977 Chevrolet Chevette ImpishGrin
F-4 and Name-5 Charles W. Nash and Nash Ambassador 8 1936 Ehhxekt
F-5 and Name-7 John North Willys and Aero-Willys 2600 1963 Ehhxekt
F-6 and Name-12 Hugh Chalmers and 1922 Chalmers 6 Paul Jaray
F-7 and Name-3: André Citroën an Citroën Rosalie 10 NH Torpédo1934 Ehhxekt
F-8 and Name-9 James Ward Packard and Packard Panther Daytona 1954 Ehhxekt
F-9 and Name-8 Comte Albert de Dion and de Dion Bouton Allan L
F-10 and Name-6 David Dunbar Buick and Buick Grand National GNX (1987) ImpishGrin
F-11 and Name-14 the Hon Charles Rolls and c1915 Rolls-Royce armoured car Allan L
F-12 and Name-11 Herbert Austin and 1928 Austin 20 Limousine Allan L
F-13 and Name-15 Vincenzo "Censin" Lancia and Appia engined Lancia 'Dagrada' Formula Junior from 1959. Allemano
F-14 and Name-1 J. Frank Duryea and 1913 Stevens-Duryea Tourer Allemano
F-15 and Name-13 Joseph L. Hudson and Hudson H Racer 1916 Ehhxekt
F-16 and Name-20 Walter Owen Bentley and 1926 Bentley Speed model with a Barker body Allan L
F-17 and Name-4 Mercédès Jellinek and Grand Prix Mercédès Allan L
F-18 and Name-16 Nicola Romeo and Alfa Romeo Arna (1983-1987) ImpishGrin
F-19 and Name-10 Ransom Eli Olds and 1987 Oldsmobile Firenza Coupe Ehhxekt
F-20 and Name-17 Horace Elgin Dodge and 1964 Dodge Dart custom Ehhxekt
Oh, F9 is Count Albert de Dion and car 8 is a de Dion Bouton, perhaps a 12/24 of c1923
Quote from: Allan L on November 24, 2008, 11:26:11 AM
Oh, F9 is Count Albert de Dion and car 8 is a de Dion Bouton, perhaps a 12/24 of c1923
Allan, you amaze me. And as usual you seem to know more about the cars I post than I do myself.
Both answers are right, as for the car I only have that it's supposed to be a 22cv (meaning 'chevaux", so horsepower). In France you have to distinguish between "real" chevaux and taxable chevaux, as I am sure that you know. This would be taxeble cv.
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F12 Herbert Austin - Car 11 c1924 Austin 16
I think it may be an Austin 12/4, but I can't find a photo of one like it - all have sidelamps on the scuttle, not on the front wings.
Since I can't find the car, I can't give a different date, but the 12/4 was introduced in 1921 and I'd say this was before 1930.
Let someone else have a go now
Quote from: Allan L on November 25, 2008, 04:15:05 AM
Quote from: Allan L on November 23, 2008, 12:50:31 PM
F12 Herbert Austin - Car 11 c1924 Austin 16
I think it may be an Austin 12/4, but I can't find a photo of one like it - all have sidelamps on the scuttle, not on the front wings.
Since I can't find the car, I can't give a different date, but the 12/4 was introduced in 1921 and I'd say this was before 1930.
Let someone else have a go now
Disagreing with Allan, I'll save this pair for him (it would be to complicated for me if I didn't) He only has to find the model.
So, this is an Austin, before 1930, with sidelamps on the front wings (I've seen others like that). Weren't there other models than the 12 and 16?
Well of course there was the Austin 20, a fine and magnificent Vintage car. This just didn't look big enough about the engine room, but I suppose it must be. Let's say 1923.
This is more what I think of as a 20
That's it! Austin 20 Limousine from the company who owns it. 1928 vintage. They don't seem to have changed much in all those years. I'm not a specialist in old Austins, but as they have several of them I suppose that they know what they are talking about. Here is the link (no, Otto and Ultra, this isn't giving away sources here: 6 Austins and that's all) http://www.weddingvintagecars.co.uk/cars.html
F-14 is J. Frank Duryea who matches to car #1 the 1913 Stevens-Duryea Tourer.
The hint you unintentionally (?) gave by yourself...
Quote from: Allemano on November 25, 2008, 08:34:16 AM
F-14 is J. Frank Duryea who matches to car #1 the 1913 Stevens-Duryea Tourer.
The hint you unintentionally (?) gave by yourself...
Well, I measured the risks... Right.
Never been able to solve cars from that era, but sometimes even a blind hen finds a grain of corn.
Quote from: Ray B. on November 24, 2008, 06:32:58 AM
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 24, 2008, 05:52:20 AM
Could it be 'Décapotable', then?
EDIT: Oops, this was a stupid guess. The car has a pillarless phaeton body. Phaetons are often called 'Tourers': is that the right word?
Not in France. This is a french car, remember. It's just for the sake of exactness.
'Torpédo'?
Torpédo it is. Thanks.
Just one left.
Today the count is, virtually:
Ehhxekt 9 points
Allan L 5 points
Impishgrin 3 points
Allemano 2 points
Which you haven't got on your account, guys, until someone gets to work and finds the 20th pair !
Quote from: Ray B. on December 12, 2008, 09:55:59 AM
Which you haven't got on your account, guys, until someone gets to work and finds the 20th pair !
... which is Face 6 and Car 12. You still can't find what make this is? Here is another of the same.
Hugh Chalmers and a Chalmers Six 25hp from 1922-23
Thanks Paul, I knew I could count on you.
The thing I like best, besides a group puzzle by anyone well rounded up, is one of mine well rounded up.
The thing you'll like best is that I re-read my first post and I saw that each pair was getting you guys two points. So in fact the count goes like this...
Ehhxekt 18 points
Allan L 10 points
Impishgrin 6 points
Allemano 4 points
Paul Jaray 2 points
Thanks :) I don't want to sound too avaricious, but have you also icluded this?
Quote from: Ray B. on November 24, 2008, 05:23:50 AM
Ehhxekt (gosh, man, I have to check each time so as not to mis-spell your name!) has the 2 points for the Martin pair, as he cleverly guessed my mistake. Nevertheless, I think that Impi... (same remark) and Allan L (no problem there) both deserve a point for having been mislead by me. Sorry.
No, I had not. This makes a lot of points for a single question, but since it had been a promise of mine...
Added.