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Title: Puzzle #1117 - Solved! 1905 Rational Limousine
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 21, 2008, 02:08:58 AM
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Puzzle1117.jpg)

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Title: Re: Puzzle #1117
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 01, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
Hi, this is a Rational 10 HP Limousine by Sanders from 1905
Title: Re: Puzzle #1117
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
are you sure?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1117
Post by: Allemano on January 09, 2009, 11:45:14 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 01, 2009, 02:50:18 PM
Hi, this is a Rational 10 HP Limousine by Sanders from 1905

Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
are you sure?

schizophrenic?  ???  ;D
Title: Re: Puzzle #1117
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
Which one of us?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1117
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 10, 2009, 03:19:55 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2009, 11:19:32 AM
are you sure?

He should be!
Title: Solved NIC'#1276 - 1905 Rational 10hp
Post by: nicanary on November 08, 2020, 07:38:19 AM
Year make and model required.
Title: Re: NIC#1276
Post by: nicanary on December 06, 2020, 07:05:01 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NIC#1276
Post by: fromwien on December 06, 2020, 08:43:08 AM
Rational 10hp 1905, Ralph E. Sanders & Sons, Hitchin, Hertfortshire, UK
Title: Re: NIC#1276
Post by: nicanary on December 06, 2020, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: fromwien on December 06, 2020, 08:43:08 AM
Rational 10hp 1905, Ralph E. Sanders & Sons, Hitchin, Hertfortshire, UK

Correct in every detail.
Title: Re: Solved NIC'#1276 - 1905 Rational 10hp
Post by: fromwien on December 06, 2020, 09:35:44 AM
I thank you for the point, but I felt unsure, when I posted my answer to you.
It is a Rational 10 HP for sure, but most of the sources say 'Heatley-Gresham Engineering Co. Ltd.', Royston (Hertfordshire) is the manufacturer...
Is 'Ralph E. Sanders & Sons', Hitchin, Hertfortshire, UK, only the coachbuilder?

Two pictures attached
Title: Re: Solved NIC'#1276 - 1905 Rational 10hp
Post by: nicanary on December 06, 2020, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: fromwien on December 06, 2020, 09:35:44 AM
I thank you for the point, but I felt unsure, when I posted my answer to you.
It is a Rational 10 HP for sure, but most of the sources say 'Heatley-Gresham Engineering Co. Ltd.', Royston (Hertfordshire) is the manufacturer...
Is 'Ralph E. Sanders & Sons', Hitchin, Hertfortshire, UK, only the coachbuilder?

Two pictures attached

This puzzle car is mentioned in the Beaulieu Encyclopedia as just one bodied by Sanders. Other coachbuilders were used. Heatley-Gresham were definitely the manufacturers.
Title: Re: Solved NIC'#1276 - 1905 Rational 10hp
Post by: Allan L on December 06, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
Yes Heatly Gresham of Royston, which in 1904 became the first industrial concern in Letchworth Garden City, made the Rational cars.
Ralph E Sanders & Sons of Hitchin was indeed a coachbuilder and built bodies for Rational Taxicabs as well as normal cars.

Small world comment: I knew a Robert Sanders  who was a member of that family at school and met James Gresham, grandson of the founder, when he gave a talk to the VCC on contemporary racing tyres.
Title: Re: Solved NIC'#1276 - 1905 Rational 10hp
Post by: fromwien on December 06, 2020, 02:35:45 PM
Thank you for additional informations, which exactly coincides with my assumptions
Title: Re: Puzzle #1117 - Solved! 1905 Rational Limousine
Post by: gte4289 on August 30, 2023, 08:32:41 PM
Merged.