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Title: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 22, 2009, 07:43:10 AM
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Puzzle1211.jpg)

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Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 01, 2009, 11:05:55 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: hugo90 on March 01, 2009, 12:27:37 PM
Gordini something?  The blue color makes me think in is French.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: D-type on March 01, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Maserati Platé ?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: jotage21 on March 01, 2009, 05:36:37 PM
Maserati V4
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Allan L on March 02, 2009, 04:07:30 AM
Looks a bit like Lt. Cdr. B.H. Clinkard's 4.3 litre Alvis single seater, but something isn't quite right.
Perhaps it's someone else's Alvis s/s?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 02, 2009, 04:20:40 AM
None of the above.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Joao Gois on March 03, 2009, 06:10:41 AM
Dunno why but it just feeeeels like a Maserati replica...
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 03, 2009, 07:40:10 AM
Not one of those.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: ImpishGrin on March 03, 2009, 07:48:32 AM
Is it Italian, like all its neighbours?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 03, 2009, 04:50:58 PM
No
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: zaktoo on March 04, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
Delahaye?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 05, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
No sir.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: D-type on March 05, 2009, 05:01:52 PM
Australian?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 06, 2009, 04:13:45 AM
Not from Australia.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Arunas on March 06, 2009, 04:39:11 AM
French?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 06, 2009, 05:24:10 AM
Non
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: D-type on March 10, 2009, 07:24:11 PM
Not Italian, not Australian, not French.  Is it British then?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 11, 2009, 04:20:27 AM
No sir.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: faksta on March 20, 2009, 08:53:20 AM
Latin American? Say, for Mecanica Nacional?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 20, 2009, 09:57:29 AM
No - wrong continent.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 27, 2009, 02:36:42 AM
Pros?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Allemano on March 27, 2009, 02:58:20 AM
4WD?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 27, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
No.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on April 17, 2009, 05:44:03 AM
Allemano: to a degree, you are seeing what you think you are seeing. However, you are also seeing more than is actually there.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: DynaMike on April 17, 2009, 06:03:37 AM
So, front wheel drive?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on April 17, 2009, 08:07:42 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Allan L on April 18, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
The obvious front-drive racers include the 1947 Novi-Kurtis Indianaplois car, but I can't find a good enough photo to say for certain that this isn't that!
Is it North American?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on April 19, 2009, 04:08:33 AM
It is not North American
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 01, 2009, 05:47:09 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: faksta on May 01, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
1927 Aero Monoposto
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Allemano on May 01, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
2007, 2008 and this year I didn't want to spend € 20,- for the Techno Classica ticket. Maybe it would be wise to go next year...
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: faksta on May 01, 2009, 01:07:37 PM
Well, Techno Classica is a biggest show of its kind in the world, I think...
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 01, 2009, 02:55:16 PM
Quote from: faksta on May 01, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
1927 Aero Monoposto

That's the ticket!
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allan L on May 01, 2009, 05:14:16 PM
This puzzles me: is that supposed to be Novotny-designed Aero of Prague?
Georgano confims what I thought, and lists  no other company of that name.
Those Aeros started in 1929 as single cylinder two-stroke small cars and from 1934 were front-driven.

This is said to be 1927, front-drive and clearly is bigger than a single-cylinder two-stroke.
So what is it really? That Techno Classica photo appears in all sorts of places on the internet, always without helpful comment.
We had a bit of a thread on TNF http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=93865 but no conclusions
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allemano on May 01, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
Yes Alan, I've got the same doubts, 1927 seems a little too old for that layout!
Couldn't find any other facts, though it can't be denied it has a Aero badge (No advanced Photoshop fake).
Even our well known 'standard' Czech site provides only small engined Aero race cars..
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allan L on May 01, 2009, 05:44:53 PM
Sloniger and v. Fersen mention no Aero that's anything like that either.
The steering wheel centre says Aero 55, but I don't recognise the significance of that.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allemano on May 01, 2009, 05:52:50 PM
Unfortunately there's no a pic of the info sheet available....
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 02, 2009, 03:59:55 AM
Definitely an Aero; it does indeed have one seat. I'll grant you the year is likely incorrect.

Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: ImpishGrin on May 02, 2009, 04:09:52 AM
1927?? Looks more like 1947.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: faksta on May 02, 2009, 04:20:31 AM
The car is obviously younger than 1927, but that's what every source says. I'd think it could be a one-off special built not by Aero themselves.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allan L on May 02, 2009, 05:58:54 AM
Yes it's an Aero badge
Yes, all the internet items agree it's a 1927 Aero Monoposto
Aero seems to have existed from 1929 to 1947 and used small two-stroke engines. This car has an exhaust pipe each side, so maybe it has two engines to make a larger total capacity.
However the internet sources all show the car at Techno Classica; none tells us anything about it; nowhere else is there any reference to such a car (i.e. well-researched books, general internet sources (of any provenance) on Aero)

I started by thinking it was one of the Alvis specials built in the 1940/50s for the then 4 1/2 litre formula, and I agree with Pavel that it looks more 1947 than 1927.

I would like to know what it is as against what it is said to be
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allemano on May 02, 2009, 06:23:59 AM
What about the initials SSB?
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: faksta on May 02, 2009, 06:29:57 AM
It means 'Some say bull**** [about 1927]' (if it is SSB, and not JJB)
There is really no information on Aero related sites about this machine. I think the answer may well be found in Czechoslovakian racing history, but I don't know any more or less complete sources on the subject.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 02, 2009, 06:31:57 AM
Quote from: faksta on May 02, 2009, 06:29:57 AM
It means 'Some say bull**** [about 1927]'

;D
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allemano on May 02, 2009, 06:38:36 AM
Will contact the admin of the German Aero site to get some more info.
(the same page where recently something called "Nessie" was found...)
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: faksta on May 02, 2009, 06:43:48 AM
It was found there indeed  :) Another puzzling thing for me is a color. Back in the times when the cars were painted in their national racing colors, something like this would  be considered French or Austrian, while Cezch cars were painted in their flag's colors - white/blue/red.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allemano on May 03, 2009, 06:00:44 AM
Mr. Rauch of aero-ig.de wrote back and that's what he told me:

(OWTTE)
Front-wheeled Aeros were built not before 1934 (Type Aero 30) resp. 1936 (Type Aero 50).
The car ("Aero Monoposto") you've mentioned is an obviousely custom-made probably based on an Aero 50 (engine and front axle). It reminds me a little of racing cars of Aero Minor which has nothing to do with cars of the origin Aero company. (...) it has furthermore nothing to do with any historical car of Aero at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: faksta on May 03, 2009, 06:19:01 AM
Thanks. I wouldn't say it reminds me of Aero Minor racing cars, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 03, 2009, 06:43:24 AM
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/deadhorse.gif)
Title: Re: Puzzle #1211 - Solved! Aero Monoposto 1927
Post by: Allan L on May 03, 2009, 09:21:03 AM
Otto, you may feel we are visiting a small town on the north coast of Alaska ;D , but we would like to find out what this this really is. You can't call us off that easily! ???