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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2009 => Topic started by: Allemano on February 14, 2009, 07:55:05 AM

Title: Solved: 163. of All., 1954 Ingels Kraft Roadster
Post by: Allemano on February 14, 2009, 07:55:05 AM
Ever seen this?
Title: Re: 163. of All.
Post by: Allemano on February 21, 2009, 04:06:48 AM
Sale of all my Rookie puzzles!
Title: Re: 163. of All.
Post by: metalshapes on March 23, 2009, 03:12:49 PM
One of Steve Moal's creations?
Title: Re: 163. of All.
Post by: Allemano on March 27, 2009, 08:26:59 PM
I don't think so!
Title: Re: 163. of All.
Post by: neilshouse on April 02, 2009, 04:29:37 AM
1954 Ingels Kraft Roadster.
Title: Re: 163. of All.
Post by: Allemano on April 02, 2009, 05:09:44 AM
It is!
Title: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on January 21, 2014, 07:52:46 AM
What's this, by whom, from when - for 1 point?:

ANYONE FOUND GIVING ANSWERS OBTAINED BY USING GOOGLE SEARCH BY IMAGE MAY BE BANNED FOR AN INDETERMINATE PERIOD!
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: AlexFrance on January 24, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
Is it a single-seater?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on January 24, 2014, 10:47:52 AM
Quote from: AlexFrance on January 24, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
Is it a single-seater?

Yes.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: AlexFrance on February 01, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
US made?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 03, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: AlexFrance on February 01, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
US made?

Yes..
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 06:04:44 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 04, 2014, 11:02:47 AM
Kurtis Kraft sprint car?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 05, 2014, 04:21:29 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 04, 2014, 11:02:47 AM
Kurtis Kraft sprint car?

We might be making progress there!
Locked for you to dig into and come up with the full answer.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 05, 2014, 03:18:45 PM
I assume that means a Kurtis Kraft sprint car is correct and you are asking for the name of this particular car.   

In which case, is it the Sugarripe Prune Special?

Date: 1951 ?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 06, 2014, 04:21:32 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 05, 2014, 03:18:45 PM
I assume that means a Kurtis Kraft sprint car is correct and you are asking for the name of this particular car.   

In which case, is it the Sugarripe Prune Special?

Date: 1951 ?

No, it's not that and it's not actually a Kurtis Kraft either.
I only said that we were making progress, not that we are there yet!
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 06, 2014, 02:45:47 PM
If not a Kurtis is it a Watson chassis?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: AlexFrance on February 06, 2014, 04:23:16 PM
Did it race at Indianapolis?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 07, 2014, 04:10:50 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 06, 2014, 02:45:47 PM
If not a Kurtis is it a Watson chassis?

No..

Quote from: AlexFrance on February 06, 2014, 04:23:16 PM
Did it race at Indianapolis?

..and No.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 07, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
If not a Kurtis or a Watson, was it another proprietary chassis or was it a one-off?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 08, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 07, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
If not a Kurtis or a Watson, was it another proprietary chassis or was it a one-off?

It's a pure one-off I believe.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 11, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
To ask the obvious: Offenhauser powered?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2014, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 11, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
To ask the obvious: Offenhauser powered?

No.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 12, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 08, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 07, 2014, 04:46:47 PM
If not a Kurtis or a Watson, was it another proprietary chassis or was it a one-off?

It's a pure one-off I believe.

Actually I believe 2 were made..
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 12, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
The wire wheels suggest it wasn't an oval racer - was it a hillclimb car?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 13, 2014, 04:44:25 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 12, 2014, 03:35:41 PM
The wire wheels suggest it wasn't an oval racer - was it a hillclimb car?

No; but it would help you enormously to identify what kind of racing car it was..
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 13, 2014, 03:55:02 PM
Haven't you already said it was a sprintcar?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 14, 2014, 04:23:31 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 13, 2014, 03:55:02 PM
Haven't you already said it was a sprintcar?

Not really, no - it was the name I was referring to.
I should have been clearer, sorry - it's not a sprint car.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 14, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
Is the car full sized?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 15, 2014, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 14, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
Is the car full sized?

No - it's a Midget Racer!
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 15, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
I didn't think it was a Midget because it's the wrong shape - it hasn't got the characteristic high tail, high scuttle and high near vertical screen. 

Ford V8 powered?

Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 15, 2014, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 15, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
I didn't think it was a Midget because it's the wrong shape - it hasn't got the characteristic high tail, high scuttle and high near vertical screen. 

Ford V8 powered?

Yes - Ford flathead.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 15, 2014, 12:10:40 PM
Well, as midget racing has more participants than any other form of racing and most cars are/were the product of small speed shops this will be a tough nut to crack.

Leader Card car from 1950?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 17, 2014, 06:21:36 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 15, 2014, 12:10:40 PM
Well, as midget racing has more participants than any other form of racing and most cars are/were the product of small speed shops this will be a tough nut to crack.

Leader Card car from 1950?

No, not that.
Don't forget the name you gave me in your Reply #6 was partially correct..
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 17, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
Curtis?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 17, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 17, 2014, 09:46:27 AM
Curtis?

The other word!
I'll keep it locked for you as well so that no-one nips in and nicks your point..
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 17, 2014, 11:08:41 AM
I'm puzzled - all the Kurtis race cars were made by Kurtis Kraft and you have said it is not one of them.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 17, 2014, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 17, 2014, 11:08:41 AM
I'm puzzled - all the Kurtis race cars were made by Kurtis Kraft and you have said it is not one of them.

Yes, but I said Curtis was the wrong word so it follows the right word is Kraft....
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 17, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
So "We might be making progress there!" simply meant that the answer to the puzzle is a car made by a company named  **** Kraft. 

Let's try another tack and try to sort out the date.  Were the two cars made after World War 2?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 17, 2014, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: D-type on February 17, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
So "We might be making progress there!" simply meant that the answer to the puzzle is a car made by a company named  **** Kraft. 

Let's try another tack and try to sort out the date.  Were the two cars made after World War 2?

Yes,  you got one of the names right (Kraft) so I thought that was progress; was I wrong?!
But it's really not a company called **** Kraft, just that the name 'Kraft' is in the name somewhere.

The cars were post-war, yes.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: D-type on February 17, 2014, 04:50:48 PM
I got thrown as I saw "Kurtis Kraft" as a single entity and not as two separate words.

Carrying on the dates question: is it from 1945 to 1950 inclusive?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 19, 2014, 04:58:56 AM
Quote from: D-type on February 17, 2014, 04:50:48 PM
I got thrown as I saw "Kurtis Kraft" as a single entity and not as two separate words.

Carrying on the dates question: is it from 1945 to 1950 inclusive?

It might not be quite as early as the forties but it's no later than the very early fifties.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 20, 2014, 04:28:05 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Wendax on February 20, 2014, 04:53:50 AM
Dick Kraft's 1954 Roadster

I'm not sure, but it could be the same as this one: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6964
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: nicanary on February 20, 2014, 05:34:08 AM
Yes, I had it down as the Art Ingels car, but my source says it's powered by a straight-6 Chevy.
Title: Re: NEH 3212
Post by: Carnut on February 20, 2014, 05:38:00 AM
Quote from: Wendax on February 20, 2014, 04:53:50 AM
Dick Kraft's 1954 Roadster

I'm not sure, but it could be the same as this one: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6964

Exactly!
And I do believe you're right, that it's a repost, as Art ingels was also the builder I had down..
Oh dear.
I did have a name for it (Roadster Royal) but have no idea if that's an official name or some nickname dreamt up by someone.
Awarding you a point but merging it.