Let me introduce you to a group puzzle that's been cooking for some time now. I think it's finally done, so I'll serve the dish and see what you think. Rookies are scarce these days (again), so it goes straight into the Expert pile, but I expect this one will move even further upstairs after not too long, as some of these cars are very obscure. But please - prove me wrong!
The name of each car in this puzzle is linked to a famous person, be it a fictional character or a real person. These names go together two and two. So, what I'm looking for here are couples - in real life or in fiction - 10 of them, in total.
Example: I could have posted the 1976 Adam Turbo GT (which doesn't exist, before you start looking) and the 1981 Renault Eve (which does). That would have created this coupling:
(http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/GALLERY/exhibitions/2007/cranach/adam-eve5.jpg)
...just to be sure that you get the picture. Examples: Adam & Eve, Bonnie & Clyde, Jennifer Lopez & Ben Affleck. And If there had been a car here with the name Simpson Essex Sedan, it could, in (wild) theory, have been linked to Jessica Simpson, the English actor and singer David Essex, and the world-famous (...) American character actor Rolfe Sedan. In this puzzle you will find both couples that still exist and couples that don't, but these relationships are all well-known. The couples are all of the romantic kind, and heterosexual; they do consist of one man and one woman. The name of the car could be linked to each person's first, last, or middle name.
Clear?
I will award points like this: One for each correctly identified car, and one for each pairing. So, in this case, if you know one of the cars, but don't know which car to link it to, you could always blurt it out - it would still give you a point, but then somebody else might get the point for the correct pairing. Then you'd have to decide for yourself whether you'd risk losing a point for the pairing, or shut up until you figure it out and risk losing a point for the correct identification...
In all, 30 points up for grabs. Good luck, and happy puzzling!
PS: Because of the attachment policy of this web page (max. 12) I'm dividing the pictures into two posts, 10 in each. The order is completely random, so #3 could go with #4 and so on - the first 10 pics aren't necessarily coupled with the next 10. If you see what I mean. Here are the first 10!
And the final 10. I wonder what you'll make of this puzzle...
Here we go: the first pair:
#15 - #20
#15 - 1959 Charles Townabout Concept Car
#20 - Diana (Straight 8 :-\ )
Pair: Charles & Diana ;)
#12 - # 14 - Adonis & Venus
No ideas about pairs yet, but possibly well identified:
#1 - Andre V6
#4 - Light Car Company Rocket.
And a whild guess: #18 1908 Elmore Model 40 ???
#9 1963 alfa romeo guilia ss ( sprint speciale ) by bertone
romeo & giulia :D ???
Quote from: Graber on October 26, 2008, 05:01:49 AM
#9 1963 alfa romeo guilia ss ( sprint speciale ) by bertone
romeo & giulia :D ???
Interesting.. But shouldn't the FULL answer be a pair of two pictures :-\ ???
Car #7 is a Burton, but I've no idea to whom/which car it can be linked.
Quote from: DynaMike on October 26, 2008, 06:37:28 AM
Car #7 is a Burton, but I've no idea to whom/which car it can be linked.
Well, obviously to car #13, which is the Volvo Elizabeth I.
Do I need to be more precise? Elizabeth Taylor & Richard Burton.
#6 is a Monica
#19 is a Chandler
Pair - Monica and Chandler from Friends?
Also, if the Andre found by Arunas goes for Prince Andrei in "War and Peace", there should be a Natacha, but I can't find no car by that name except a Lada convertible that I don't see here.
#8 is a Bradley GT II
#3 is a Mitsubishi Jolie.
Pair - Brad(ley) Pitt and Angelina Jolie
#5 is a circa 1914 Douglas 9 or 10.5 HP; #16 is a circa 1965 Lightburn Zeta. And the pair would be Catherina Zeta Jones married with Michael Douglas.
You're good!
I'll get back to this tonight. But you've come a long way already.
About #9: It's linked to one of the others, like the rest.
And if you'd be so kind as to elaborate on the model designations, I'd be pleased to see something else than, say, just "Bentley". Not that that should necessarily be the case ;)
Quote from: Arunas on October 26, 2008, 03:20:22 AM
#15 - 1959 Charles Townabout Concept Car
#20 - Diana (Straight 8 :-\ )
Pair: Charles & Diana ;)
That's a Diana Light 8 Sedan, but it'll do to get you three points.
Quote from: Arunas on October 26, 2008, 03:32:23 AM
#12 - # 14 - Adonis & Venus
For a guy that craves as much information as you, that's the very least I expect of an answer. But all right, three more points.
Quote from: Arunas on October 26, 2008, 03:41:03 AM
#1 - Andre V6
#4 - Light Car Company Rocket.
And a whild guess: #18 1908 Elmore Model 40 ???
#1 - Yes! One point.
#4 - No!
#18 was a bit too whild, I'm afraid. Not an Elmore.
Quote from: Graber on October 26, 2008, 05:01:49 AM
#9 1963 alfa romeo guilia ss ( sprint speciale ) by bertone
Apart from it being Giulia, and not Guilia, it's correct ;) and gives you one point. But there is a link to be made.
Quote from: DynaMike on October 26, 2008, 06:37:28 AM
Car #7 is a Burton
Yes! One point.
Quote from: Ray B. on October 26, 2008, 08:29:16 AM
...obviously to car #13, which is the Volvo Elizabeth I.
Do I need to be more precise? Elizabeth Taylor & Richard Burton.
And the other two points to Ray B.
Quote from: neilshouse on October 26, 2008, 09:29:55 AM
#6 is a Monica
#19 is a Chandler
Pair - Monica and Chandler from Friends?
Correct! I would have liked a bit more info on the cars, but that'll give you three points.
Quote from: Ray B. on October 26, 2008, 09:40:29 AM
...there should be a Natacha...
There isn't one.
Quote from: neilshouse on October 26, 2008, 09:45:16 AM
#8 is a Bradley GT II
#3 is a Mitsubishi Jolie.
Pair - Brad(ley) Pitt and Angelina Jolie
Correct! Well done. Three points.
Quote from: DynaMike on October 26, 2008, 09:47:18 AM
#5 is a circa 1914 Douglas 9 or 10.5 HP; #16 is a circa 1965 Lightburn Zeta. And the pair would be Catherina Zeta Jones married with Michael Douglas.
Yes, indeed! Three points.
Which means that this is what we have:
Car 01: 1933 Andre V6 (Arunas, 1p) - linked with car 04: 1997 Brooke ME 190 (Ray B, 1p).
Correct pairing: André Agassi and Brooke Shields (Ray B, 1p).
Car 02: 1913 Crow-Elkhart Roadster (Ray B, 1p) - linked with car 11: 1912 Armstrong-Whitworth (Ray B, 1p).
Correct pairing: Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong (Allemano, 1p).
Car 03: 2004 Mitsubishi Jolie (neilshouse, 1p) - linked with car 08: 1980 Bradley GTII Electric (neilshouse, 1p).
Correct pairing: Angelina Jolie and William Bradley 'Brad' Pitt (neilshouse, 1p).
Car 05: 1914 Douglas 10.5 HP (DynaMike, 1p) - linked with car 16: 1964 Lightburn Zeta Sedan (DynaMike, 1p).
Correct pairing: Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones (DynaMike, 1p).
Car 06: 1969 Monica prototype (neilshouse, 1p) - linked with car 19: 1922 Chandler Six Touring (neilshouse, 1p).
Correct pairing: Monica and Chandler from 'Friends' (neilshouse, 1p).
Car 07: 2000 Burton (DynaMike, 1p) - linked with car 13: 1952 Volvo Elizabeth I (Ray B, 1p).
Correct pairing: Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor (Ray B, 1p).
Car 09: 1962 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale (Graber, 1p) - linked with car 17: 1921 Alfa Romeo Torpedo 20/30 HP (Ray B, 1p).
Correct pairing: Romeo and Juliet (Giulia) (Graber, 1p).
Car 10: 1910s Clark Steam Car (Paul Jaray, 1p) - linked with car 18: 1909 Lane 30 HP Steam Tourer (Paul Jaray, 1p).
Correct pairing: Clark Kent and Lois Lane (Paul Jaray, 1p).
Car 12: 1993 Bourbon Adonis (Arunas, 1p) - linked with car 14: 1953 Venus (Arunas, 1p).
Correct pairing: Adonis and Venus, from Ovid's 'Metamorphoses' (Arunas, 1p).
Car 15: 1959 Charles Townabout (Arunas, 1p) - linked with car 20: Diana Light 8 Sedan (Arunas, 1p).
Correct pairing: Prince Charles and Princess Diana (Arunas, 1p).
Which gives this list: Arunas 7 points, Ray B. 6 points, neilshouse 6 points, DynaMike 4 points, Paul Jaray 3 points, Graber 2 points and Allemano 1 point.
The car #1, the 1933 Andre V6, goes with the car #4, who is in fact a Brooke (440 R from my source):
Andre Agassi and Brooke Shields
(who was by far prettier than Steffi Graf, but the laws of love are unpredictable).
Quote from: Ray B. on October 26, 2008, 07:07:20 PM
The car #1, the 1933 Andre V6, goes with the car #4, who is in fact a Brooke (440 R from my source):
Andre Agassi and Brooke Shields
(who was by far prettier than Steffi Graf, but the laws of love are unpredictable).
I agree, both on your opinion on looks, and on your pairing. The Brooke in question is in fact an ME 190, as featured on the manufacturer's home page.
Two more points for Ray B! The post above has been modified accordingly.
In this case, points will be awarded when the puzzle is solved.
#2 is a 1913 Crowe-Elkhart and I don't know what car I can match it with.
It isn't a Crowe-Elkhart, if that makes it any easier...
Quote from: @re on November 04, 2008, 03:26:20 PM
It isn't a Crowe-Elkhart, if that makes it any easier...
Are you sure? Here are 3 photographs of Crow-Elkhart roadsters (with or without an E, including the one you used) found on the net. The file names are originals, I did'nt change them. I know that the internet is full of mistakes, but...
I need to change the glasses, @re, I hadn't noticed the e in your post. Alright, a Crow-Elkhart, which points to a different couple for sure.
;)
The point for the car would have been yours either way, but the correction might make it easier to find its partner...
Let's have a try: could this Crow-Elkhart matches to car #20 an Armstrong Siddeley?
Pairing Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong?
Quote from: Allemano on November 05, 2008, 09:51:35 AM
Let's have a try: could this Crow-Elkhart matches to car #20 an Armstrong Siddeley?
Pairing Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong?
That's what I thought of course, but I restrained writing it because I couln't find any Armstrong that matched the still unnamed cars.
Quote from: Allemano on November 05, 2008, 09:51:35 AM
Let's have a try: could this Crow-Elkhart matches to car #20 an Armstrong Siddeley?
Pairing Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong?
If you want to match those two, you're going to have to find an Armstrong first. Car #20 has already been identified as a Diana.
oh! :-[ ;D
Most likely #17 is Armstrong Siddeley
No, it isn't.
Quote from: Ray B. on November 05, 2008, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: Allemano on November 05, 2008, 09:51:35 AM
Let's have a try: could this Crow-Elkhart matches to car #20 an Armstrong Siddeley?
Pairing Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong?
That's what I thought of course, but I restrained writing it because I couln't find any Armstrong that matched the still unnamed cars.
I think tere is no Armstrong Siddeley here, but an Armstrong Whitworth, who sould be car #11, completing the pair Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong.
Ah! Very good. Another point for Ray B... and I think I'll award the point for the pairing to Allemano, since I said that guessing was allowed, but could lead to tipping others off - although it was quite clear that Ray B knew what name the Crow should be linked with.
Suits me fine.
Quote from: @re on November 06, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
- although it was quite clear that Ray B knew what name the Crow should be linked with.
...especially as, being a frenchie, I am supposed to know
everything about a man who won the
Tour de France six times! Or was it seven...?
Question, @re: must the names all have the exact same spelling, or are they sometimes just phonetically the same?
In this puzzle, and in most of my puzzles, the spelling is exactly the same.
Edit: NO IT ISN'T. SHAME ON ME FOR SAYING SO. :doh:
Here you go, Professionals!
Is the list in page 1 updated?
Yes.
#10 is a 1908 Cadillac Victoria. If somebody has an idea what Victoria should be matched with, he is welcome. I don't.
I wasn't aware of the very obvious resemblance between the Cadillac Victoria and my puzzle car. It's clearly based on a Victoria, but this one bears the name of the man who modified it - you see, it differs from the Cadillac in at least one significant way.
@ @re: One question: Have the points already been added or they will be added once the puzzle is soved? ???
As far as I can remember, I haven't added any points for this yet.
Quote from: @re on December 10, 2008, 07:11:54 PM
I wasn't aware of the very obvious resemblance between the Cadillac Victoria and my puzzle car. It's clearly based on a Victoria, but this one bears the name of the man who modified it - you see, it differs from the Cadillac in at least one significant way.
If I dismiss the fact that it has no headlights, who were optional, the main difference is the size of the "engine compartment", hood or whatever: exact same "tulip" design, but much bigger than on the Caddy. And there doesn't seem to be a radiator:
A steam car?
Quote from: Ray B. on December 11, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
If I dismiss the fact that it has no headlights, who were optional, the main difference is the size of the "engine compartment", hood or whatever: exact same "tulip" design, but much bigger than on the Caddy. And there doesn't seem to be a radiator:
A steam car?
Now, that's what I call reasoning!
Yes!
Thanks but I can't find it.
Now I'm gonna ask 3 questions for 3 different cars. So I guess the Erbas rule doesn't apply.
Car #10: I hate do do it this way, but... Is it American?
Car #17: I hate do do it this way, but... Is it british?
Car#18: Those bloody pre-1930 cars, when of a common body style, really look like one another. This one looks very much like a ca.1909 Winton (altough I don't see who a "Winton" could be coupled to). Is it a Winton?
As long as I've been on this forum, you've never acted anything like erbas - so I'll cut you some slack ;)
Car #10 is certainly American.
Car #17 is not British.
Car #18 is not a Winton.
I found this picture of a 1909 Winton on the web - and while it is similar, it appears to be shorter and more compact than the puzzle car.
(http://www.co.saratoga.ny.us/cc/twww/Sar.Co.%20Pix%20folder/HalfmoonT/half1005.jpg)
I thought so... It especially lacks that extra or outside radiator who can be seen on the puzzle car.
This one is much more like it, but yet I can find a dozen cars that are more like it.
Well, I'm not an expert on this kind of car, but... could there be a reason for that strange "radiator"?
I know this car...I read the rules and I can tell the car even if I do not know the match...here you are:
Car #18 Lane 30HP Steam tourer 1909
maybe the #17 a Kent 40hp touring from 1917?
Loris Lane & Clark Kent?
or #10 is a Lambert Model A4 from 1906?
Diane Lane and Christopher Lambert?
Not bad!
Car #18 is indeed a 1909 Lane 30 HP Steam tourer. But #17 is not a Kent, and #10 is not a Lambert. If the correct pairing turns out to be either Lois Lane and Clark Kent, or Diane Lane and Christopher Lambert, you will get that point, too, but for now you will have to make do with only one point for the Lane.
You are too good, but I just recognized the #18, than google told me about a Diane Lane I didn't know, and I found a Lambert that is excatly the same as #10 and I know that there is a Lambert that had a tourer model in 1917 and car #17 is the same as every car from that period! So I do not deserve credit for the match (if it is correct...).
#10 Clark Steam car 1904-1905
"T. H. Clark Sr. designed this steam car & drove from Delaware to Marion to hear Harding speak when he first became President. Tom drove, Pearl & Grace (his sisters) rode. The car was built for Dr. Willy and was the first steam engine car built in Delaware."
#18 Lane 30hp Steam tourer 1909 and #10 Clark Steamer
Loris Lane and Clark Kent
About that Clark...there is a
Clark in Lansing, Michigan, from 1910-1911
Clark Special in Tell City, indiana in 1905,
Clark Carriage company of Chicaco in 1910,
Clark Motor Company in Buffalo, New York 1912-1915,
Clark Motor Car Company of Luisville, Kentucky in 1911,
Clark E.W. in New London, Connecticut in 1905,
Clark A. James Company in Upstate, New York
Clark in Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1899-1905,
Clark in Moline, Illinois (1897-1901),
Clark in Vicksburg, Michigan in 1901,
Clark in Detroit, Michigan in 1904,
Clark in Bozeman, Montana in1908,
Clark Electric in Buffalo, New York in 1910,
Clark in Shelbyville, Indiana, 1910-1912,
Clark Electric in Pkiladelphia, Pennsylvania, 1903-1905,
Clark Electric in Toledo, Ohio, 1909-1910,
Clark Electric in Buffalo, New York in 1910-1911,
Clark-Hatfield in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, 1908-1909,
Clark-Norwalk in Cleveland, Ohio in 1910,
Clark Special in Anderson, Indiana 1908,
Clark Steam Car in Boston, Massachussets in 1900-1909,
and a
Clark-Mobile in Lansing, Michigan 1903-1911...
why the hell you took a home-built car from Delaware!!!!!!!
Why do you think? ;D
It is indeed the Clark steam car from Delaware, and you found it - so you shall have all three points, for the Clark, the Lane and the pairing:
Only one pairing left, and one of the cars has already been identified. I suspect you're expecting this pairing to be quite a lot harder than it actually is...
Paul, you amaze me.
@re, you amaze me too, but I wish you had chosen a less corny and phony Superman. A Reeves for instance. I'm not saying George, but at least Christopher.
Quote from: Ray B. on December 21, 2008, 05:14:57 AM
I wish you had chosen a less corny and phony Superman.
I agree. It was a bad choice.
Quote from: @re on December 20, 2008, 09:55:23 PM
Only one pairing left, and one of the cars has already been identified. I suspect you're expecting this pairing to be quite a lot harder than it actually is...
I am unable to find it myself, but this should be easy for connoisseurs of prewar cars.
We have an Alfa
Romeo Giulia to match with a 1920's car (not British) whose name should be
Juliet or
Capulet. I couldn't find no brand by that name so I guess it's a model.
Of course we can search a match for
Alfa or
Giulia but I see none...
Yes, you have an Alfa Romeo Giulia to match with a 1920's car - I'll give you the exact year, as it is somewhat significant: It's from 1921.
To that I'll add another fact: If I had chosen an older car from this particular brand, the match would be impossible.
This should make it a lot easier. Go ahead and solve it - I've got another one ready ;)
Wise guy, huh?
I found Car #17. It's another Alfa Romeo, a 1921 20/30 hp, ha ha!
So we have, as I suppose you intended Car #17 (Alfa Romeo) and Car #9 (Alfa Romeo Giulia)
Except that it's wrong and you misled us, because they're not Romeo and Giulia, real italian youngsters, but Romeo and Juliet, fictitious characters in an english play. I was somehow intrigued by this Giulia, that's why I asked if you used the exact spelling. When you said yes I dismissed the "Giulia" car and started searching for a Juliet, as others I suppose.
Well, no hard feelings. The shame of it must be a sufficient burden.
Ah, yes, that 1921 clue must have something to do with the takeover (in 1915) of ALFA by Nicola Romeo. Although I understood that the Alfa Romeo name was used post-war, perhaps there were no cars at all in 1919 and 1920.
Production restarted in 1919, but at first under the old name ALFA. Only in late 1920 the company (and the cars) became Alfa Romeo.
Quote from: Ray B. on January 13, 2009, 07:40:24 PM
Wise guy, huh?
I found Car #17. It's another Alfa Romeo, a 1921 20/30 hp, ha ha!
So we have, as I suppose you intended Car #17 (Alfa Romeo) and Car #9 (Alfa Romeo Giulia)
Except that it's wrong and you misled us, because they're not Romeo and Giulia, real italian youngsters, but Romeo and Juliet, fictitious characters in an english play. I was somehow intrigued by this Giulia, that's why I asked if you used the exact spelling. When you said yes I dismissed the "Giulia" car and started searching for a Juliet, as others I suppose.
Well, no hard feelings. The shame of it must be a sufficient burden.
Yeah, you're right about that thing with the spelling. When you asked that question I had some other names in mind, and didn't think of this one. For that I am sorry! I guess, then, that justice prevailed when it was you who found it. Giulia is, however, what she would have been in her 'native' Italy. But you knew that, that's why you asked. Shame on me.
The 20/30 hp was the first car to carry the name Alfa Romeo, as far as I know. That's why I picked that one.
Don't worry. I had fun searching, and feeling so clever when I eventually had the idea of searching for another Romeo...
Good!
This is the final list:
Arunas 7 points
Ray B. 7 points 6 points
neilshouse 6 points
DynaMike 4 points
Paul Jaray 3 points
Graber 1 point 2 points
Allemano 1 point
Edit: To be fair, I should give Graber the point for matching Romeo and Giulia - he was the first to guess the connection.
And here are the two legendary lovers:
Quote from: @re on January 14, 2009, 12:44:20 PM
Giulia is, however, what she would have been in her 'native' Italy. But you knew that, that's why you asked. Shame on me.
I think this is wrong as well. The couple was Romeo and Giulietta and nobody in Italy refer to her with that name. That's also the origin of the "Giulietta" name for the other Alfa Romeo's model: to have the couple togheter again.The Alfa Romeo Giulietta, in fact was called "la fidanzata d'Italia" (Italy's girlfriend).
:crap:
Let's forget this as soon as possible, shall we?
There'll be no such mistakes in my next couple puzzle!