Hi, all... it's strange-user-name-guy again! It's time for another themed group puzzle, since I seem to do better with those than other kinds. All the cars pictured here have one very simple thing in common. One point for each car guessed, of course; no points for guessing the theme, though, because it'll be quite obvious once one or two of the cars' names have been guessed...
(Set 1 of 2)
(Set 2 of 2)
OK, I know it's only been a few days, but I think this one needs to be thrown to the Experts.
AP05: Bond Bug
AP06: TX (Technical Exponents) Tripper
AP18: Musketeer?
Only one of the above guesses is correct:
06 - 1972 TX Tripper - pnegyesi
Let's see how long it takes for the theme to emerge...
AP17 is an AV Monocar, 1919 built by Ward and Avey.
I have no idea on the theme - yet
You will!
I just realized that AP05 is the Spi-Tri prototype by Structural Plastics, Inc
Also known by the make name of... SP.
See a pattern yet? ;)
I think I see a pattern. Brand name is two-letter long
Ah, hang on, AP15 is GP Madison
You've got the pattern right -- brand names are each two capital letters, to be exact. Note the oh-so-subtle clue in the title ("Another AP Group Puzzle").
But AP15 is not GP.
The link is that all the marques have a two-letter name, and I have the following to add;
No.9: GP Centron
No.14: DB DB2
No.15: NG TC
No. 18: AF Spider Grand Prix
Well done!
05 - SP Spi-Tri prototype - pnegyesi
06 - 1972 TX Tripper - pnegyesi
09 - 1978 GP Centron - Djetset
14 - 1939 DB DB2 - Djetset
15 - NG TC - Djetset
17 - 1919 AV monocar - pnegyesi
18 - AF Spider - Djetset
(From what I can find, there is the AF Spider & the AF Grand Prix but not an AF Spider Grand Prix.)
#2:1962 mb moldex mecanica dkw
#7:MG VA tourer?
#8:1928 OM Tipo 665 Tourer
2 & 8 are correct, but do you really think I would include something as common as an MG? ;)
It´s hard to find these cars! Could it be an AC 16-80?
You mean, hard to search for because of the 2-letter names? Believe me, I know what you mean!
Anyway... no, not an AC.
#19: 1922 T.B. ( Thompson Bros.) Standard Model
You got it!
Number 1 is a GN Cyclecar?
Number 3: HE from UK?
#1 is indeed a GN. However, #3 is not an HE.
#3 FN ±1913?
Nope, not an FN either.
Gettin' harder now, ain't it? ;D
#7: 1933 SS Tourer? This one is so weird!
#10: 1922 HE 14-40hp Tourer
#11: 1911 FD (Front Drive)
#16: 1913 HP Cyclecar
#7 is actually a 1935 SS Mark II, but I'll give you the point since you got the make right. BTW, I saw this car & took the pic myself. It was displayed as a "1935 Jaguar." ::) Is it just me or do some people call all SS cars "Jaguars"?
I have #10 as a 1924 HE and don't have the model name handy. Another point, anyway.
#11 is not an FD.
#16 is not an HP.
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on October 22, 2009, 07:50:00 AM
#7 is actually a 1935 SS Mark II, but I'll give you the point since you got the make right. BTW, I saw this car & took the pic myself. It was displayed as a "1935 Jaguar." ::) Is it just me or do some people call all SS cars "Jaguars"?
Some do, and they are wrong!
According to Paul Skilliter, the SS Jaguar name was introduced in September 1935 for the 1936 OHV cars such as the SS Jaguar 100. As that was not retrospective, the sidevalve cars were (and therefore still should be) still called S.S. I, S.S. II and S.S. 90
No 13: a shot in the dark, WM aka Weiss Manfréd from Hungary?
Sorry, it's not a Weiss Manfred -- which, according to the info I have, would be known by the full name & not the initials.
A couple of hints:
(1) One make has been guessed that's in the puzzle, but it was guessed it for the wrong car. *Edit* - Disregard this hint; it was made in error.
(2) Every remaining unguessed car was made in one of two countries.
Number 11 is a 1925 L.B. from France?
Nope, but France is one of the countries.
Number 16: JG Sport was a French automobile manufactured from 1922 until 1923..this one?
And Number #11 is a 1922 AL Sport?
Both of these cars are French but those are not the correct names.
No 4: MS Voiturette
No 11: AN Cyclecar by Allain and Niguet, France, early 1920s
No16: AS Cyclecar built in Courbevoie between 1926-1928
Hmm, the remaining three.
No 13: Is that an FN?
Very good on 4, 11 & 16! (I have slightly earlier dates for when the AS was made, but oh well.)
13 is not an FN. The remaining three are either from France or another country.
Looking at your clues, one of the remaining three is most probably an FD
Am I right?
Nope - no FD to be found here.
Then maybe No3 is a HP?
No HP here either.
Well, you said a brand was guessed which is in the puzzle but not for the right car. So the only one left is AC. Like No12, could that be an AC?
Sorry, my mistake -- I was referring to HE being guessed for the wrong car, forgetting it had been guessed for the right one in the meantime. Disregard that statement, please.
AP03 is an LM (Little Midland) Light Car from 1920. Made in Blackburn, UK
Two more to go :)
I may as well try guessing:
- could No 13 be an NP touring car from UK, around 1923?
- could No 12 be a WW light car also from UK?
#3 is indeed an LM. There is no NP or WW here.
Some more hints: One of the remaining cars is British and one is French. One is perhaps better known for a less conventional kind of car than is seen here. Both names could be followed by "no relation to..."
I think No12 is British. Is that a HP or Hilton Peacey?
#12 is the British one, but an HP it is not.
#12: a DS otherwise known as Stafford?
#13: an O.P. from France?
Nope on both counts.
No13: R.H. (Raymond Hubert) from France, mid-1920s?
Your persistence is admirable, but... not RH.
I'm running out of hints, but here's one: One of the cars is "no relation to"... something really big.
OK, well, the last 2 cars seem to have stalled in Expert-land, so it's time to push them over to the Pros.
Is #13 an OM? (I have also a model name for it but i'm not home...)
Nope.
I am stuck. I have browsed through the list of carmakers in "The complete Catalogue of British Cars 1895-1975" to find No12 about 6 or 7 times and cross-referenced it with the Beaulieu Encyclopedia. Nothing.
There are companies where the logo may have featured two initials, like Warren-Lambert, but I have not found the brand which is featured here.
I'll do the same with a French list soon
Boy, I'm surprised you didn't find the British one... it's not all that obscure. You may have seen it listed by the full company name instead of its initials, although I'm pretty sure the make was generally known by the latter. Hint: It has the same initials as another two-letter make.
Is No12 a Straker-Squire?
Nope.
Hint: The make was around for only a few years, and an earlier car of theirs was less conventional-looking than this one. If I included a picture of it, that would possibly give the answer away.
#13 is a SH?
Nope. Hint: It shares its initials with a large, well-known & totally unrelated company.
#12 is an AC?
Nope.
Could AP12 be a Varley Woods or VW?
Nope.
And, just in case you misunderstood, it's #13 that shares initials with a famous company.
My very last guess for No12 is WB.
Ooh... close (in name), but not quite.
OK, a bigger hint: Before making this car, they made a 3-wheeler.
for no. 12, have we tried the TB (for Thompson Brothers) who made a three-wheeler, and who can say what else?
AF AC AV WW Already tryed,including the right ones,just to get easier
DB GN AL DS
GP HE TB OP
MB FN MS RH
MG SS AN SH
NG FD AS VW
OM HP FD WB
TX WM LM
SP LB NP
#12 is not a TB.
Quote from: João on November 03, 2009, 04:29:41 PM
AF AC AV WW Already tryed,including the right ones,just to get easier
DB GN AL DS
GP HE TB OP
MB FN MS RH
MG SS AN SH
NG FD AS VW
OM HP FD WB
TX WM LM
SP LB NP
One of the remaining ones is on this list, the other isn't.
P.S.: Although no two of the cars in the puzzle are of the same make, sometimes more than one make has the same name...
P.P.S.: This is the first time anything in one of my puzzles has been harder than I thought it would be!
No12 is an MB by Merrall-Brown Motors Ltd. And it is strange, because this make is not featured in my book on british cars, but information is widely available on the internet.
Now, that is out of the way, let's see what No13 could be?
Yes! Finally! One more to go...
Let's get this one declare solved!
No13 is a GM 7CV by Gendron and Michelot
Photo is from PreWarCar
Yes! I can't swear as to where the photo originally came from, but that's it!
01 - GN cyclecar - João
02 - 1962 MB Moldex - João
03 - 1920 LM light car - pnegyesi
04 - MS voiturette - pnegyesi
05 - SP Spi-Tri prototype - pnegyesi
06 - 1972 TX Tripper - pnegyesi
07 - 1935 SS Mark II - João
08 - 1928 OM Tipo 665 - João
09 - 1978 GP Centron - Djetset
10 - 1924 HE - João
11 - AN cyclecar - pnegyesi
12 - 1920 MB (British) - pnegyesi
13 - GM 7CV - pnegyesi
14 - 1939 DB DB2 - Djetset
15 - NG TC - Djetset
16 - AS cyclecar - pnegyesi
17 - 1919 AV monocar - pnegyesi
18 - AF Spider - Djetset
19 - 1922 TB Standard - João
Total scores:
pnegyesi - 9
João - 6
Djetset - 4
This was a great puzzle which taught me an important lesson on not to trust even the most comprehensive automotive books :)