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Title: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 11, 2009, 05:29:26 PM
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Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 02:20:44 PM
Your turn...
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: faksta on June 15, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Seems the photo is reversed, could it be?
And is it an aviation 12-cyl. in there?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
It's not reversed (afaik) and not a12.
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Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: faksta on June 15, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
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Fixed, thanks  :)
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Allan L on June 15, 2009, 03:51:09 PM
It has all the appearance of Count Louis Zborowski's Chitty-Bang-Bang - a special with 23 litres of Maybach airship motor in a pre-Great War Mercedes chassis.
However I cannot account for the photo which is of the type taken by manufacturers outside their premises, before sending the chassis to the coachbuilder.
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 04:04:50 PM
You are really close...however, this is not the Chitty-Bang-Bang.
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: faksta on June 15, 2009, 04:09:12 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
It's not reversed (afaik) and not a12.
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You mean it's just a six?  :o
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 04:11:29 PM
Yep, but each one is like this:
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Allan L on June 15, 2009, 04:58:21 PM
Well, if it's not Chitty I'm quite surprised.
It certainly looks like a Maybach engine, but with better carburettors than the areo engine shown below has.

Below is a photo of Chitty I which has a lot of the same detailing as your puzzle - brake and gear levers, steering wheel angle, chain drive size and sprocket form, oil tank  look the same.
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 15, 2009, 05:12:39 PM
I don't know how to reply without giving you too many clues...
This one is not a Chitty and not Maybach powered, but you are on the right path....
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: jimjarron on June 15, 2009, 10:04:03 PM
Or is it the Itala chassis that Zborowski had fitted with a 250hp Hall Scott aero-engine by Giulio Foresti?

(around about 1914 I think, but I'm not sure about the date)
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 16, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: João on June 16, 2009, 03:47:40 PM
Kind of an Aero engined Napier ???
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 16, 2009, 04:24:43 PM
not a Napier...
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: D-type on June 21, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
Mercedes chassis though?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 22, 2009, 05:50:55 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: metalshapes on June 22, 2009, 01:09:45 PM
Babs?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 23, 2009, 02:37:06 AM
Allan L was closer...not a Babs
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 25, 2009, 04:00:59 PM
Your idea?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Joao Gois on June 25, 2009, 08:47:08 PM
Mercedes aero-engined?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 26, 2009, 03:22:40 AM
Not...Mercedes.....
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: guido66 on June 26, 2009, 04:04:57 PM
Junkers?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 26, 2009, 04:07:41 PM
Not Junkers..
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: guido66 on June 26, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
Austro Daimler 6 engine ?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 26, 2009, 04:26:25 PM
It is a 6, but not that six...time for a clue:
Not........Mercedes.
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: faksta on June 27, 2009, 07:06:05 AM
You said it's not Maybach powered, but could it be Maybach chassis?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 27, 2009, 08:02:34 AM
Not Maybach powered or chassis.
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: faksta on June 29, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
Rabbit from Denmark? Built on 1911 Benz chassis with a 19 liter engine. Still alive.

Update: I have found an information that Rabbit (aka Rabbit the First) was built in 1922 in England for Lord Scarisbrick and was only raced in Denmark. In 1923 it set a record of 120mph.
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 29, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
The point is yours...can you find the name of this car and the place where it raced?
Rabbit is not the one I have...
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: faksta on June 29, 2009, 05:54:24 PM
It was raced at Fanol Island, Denmark, in 1923 (and 1999!). Apart from Rabbit I've found only 'Rabbit the First'.

Ah...maybe Scarisbrick Northrab is what you were looking for?
Title: Re: PJ - 157
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 29, 2009, 06:50:39 PM
Fano Island is correct.
This car was called Scarisbrick's Scariscrow!
This is what is written in a site Allan L knows, and that's why He was really close.
'Edward Scarisbrick’s copy of Chitty II, his ‘Scariscrow’ with Benz engine'
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Joao Gois on July 07, 2009, 08:23:29 AM
200km/h in a 1923 car... that's simply insane! I always admired the balls those guys back then had to drive such rudimentary cars with skinny tires, big-ass engines, no brakes and mamoth steering!

A bit like the LSR cars from the 1930s, with thousands of horsepower to squeeze into the road with such banana tyres and NO driving aids besides themselves! Huge kudos to those drivers!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: woodinsight on August 31, 2011, 05:33:28 AM
Here is another view of the car presumably when owned by Alistair Bradley Martin of Long Island NY and photographed at VMCCA's Easter Parade in New York 1940.
According to my information the car was built in 1921 by C.H. Crowe & Co., London for E.T. Scarisbrick.
Engine size was 18,011cc and had originated from a captured WW1 aeroplane. Weight was 4,000 lbs.

Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 31, 2011, 05:48:16 AM
Very nice pic, thank you!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: pnegyesi on August 31, 2011, 06:27:48 AM
I can imagine a ride down on Andrássy street in one of these. That would be just so awesome (Andrássy street is modelled after Ave. Champs Elysee in Paris)
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Wendax on August 31, 2011, 06:36:45 AM
Or at Fanø beach:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Joao Gois on August 31, 2011, 10:10:39 PM
Well, if it's not a Mercedes, it at least has the 3-point star...

Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Allan L on September 01, 2011, 05:14:00 AM
I think we established that it had a Mercedes chassis (like Chitty I) and a Benz aeroplane engine, so although it's origins are earlier than the Daimler & Benz merger calling it a Mercedes-Benz is just about legitimate!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Wendax on September 01, 2011, 05:30:11 AM
That's why the star at the radiator is a little bit different:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 01, 2011, 05:47:17 AM
Quote from: Wendax on September 01, 2011, 05:30:11 AM
That's why the star at the radiator is a little bit different:

That reminds me of the upside-down star that got Studebaker in trademark hot water. Of course, all was forgiven when Studebaker began selling Mercedes cars from their showrooms (a year after Packard was killed off) as Mercedes' official US distributor. Soon after that partnership was inked, they copied the Mercedes grill with no fear of retribution.



Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: grobmotorix on August 01, 2014, 09:03:48 AM
A 1922 photo made during the danish Fanö races:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ157- Edward Scarisbrick’s Scariscrow 1922
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 24, 2016, 07:33:20 AM
another nice pic: