I would like to know what it is (no point will be awarded for this because it is to easy) and who converted it (for a point).
Because I don't know the converter myself, I need some proof before I can award the point
Experts?
Quote from: 75america on August 02, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
I would like to know what it is (no point will be awarded for this because it is to easy) and who converted it (for a point).
Because I don't know the converter myself, I need some proof before I can award the point
Please don't be so smug and patronising. I haven't a f*ing clue what it is!
Quote from: D-type on August 22, 2010, 05:27:00 AM
Please don't be so smug and patronising. I haven't a f*ing clue what it is!
I understand that you might doubt between 2, possibly even 3 cars.
I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.
Quote from: franck.kegelart on August 23, 2010, 06:56:59 AM
I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.
Not an Admiral, so only 1 possibility left.
Can you prove that it was made by Vogt Autotechnik?
I already looked for Vogt conversions, but I was not able to find this particular one.
If the "easy" bit isn't an Opel Admiral, is it a Holden Statesman?
Opel Kapitan (introduced in early 1969)?
Not sure about the converter (I have the self same photo but unfortunately there is no caption)
I'll keep searching........
It is indeed a Kapitän
Pro's?
This Opel Kapitän was converted to a kind of fastback Coupé by Karosseriefabrik Wender (NOT Wendler), located at Berlin-Charlottenburg.
I do not know more and it would be great to get any additional information about the coachbuilding company.
I suppose we both have the same book... ;)
I have another book in which it says that it is by Vogt and it was made for ZDF. They also did a Diplomat. I'll post a scan tonight when I get home.
This is definitly not the Vogt version.
Have a closer look at the rear end.
The Wender version has a breaking line at the middle of its rear end and the huge trunk lid includes the rear screen.
The roof-mounted hinges can be seen clearly in the Wender-pic on top of this puzzle.
The Vogt (Be it Admiral, Kapitän or Diplomat) had a straigt fastback line and a small standard-type trunk lid as can be seen here:
The bottom picture shows the WENDER Kapitän again. I´ve scanned it again from my source.
Still out there:
I tend to believe grobmotorix that it is indeed a Wender conversion, but until now, no clear evidence is given...
I also wonder if the car on the pics that PJ published are one and the same car. That one 'says' (in the more recent script) Admiral and has a dual exhaust. Things that are, of course, easy to modify.
And it has also the newer (1972) front.
One gear back, guys!
My fault, I´ve mixed up two subtitles in the book where I´ve found the puzzle pic, too....
:bag:
I´m sure now this is indeed a second Vogt version of the K-A-D Opels (Kapitän/Admiral/Diplomat).
So the point has to go to 75america in my eyes. He´s given it the name "Vogt" first.
Please excuse this blunder. To satisfy your autopuzzler´s minds, you may like this K-A-D puzzle, I´ve placed as a kind of compensation some minutes ago:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0
Quote from: grobmotorix on November 01, 2010, 06:43:22 AM
So the point has to go to 75america in my eyes. He´s given it the name "Vogt" first.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/Gifs/h.gif) Err... 75america was the author of this puzzle, I don't think he deserves a point for this. ;D
Quote from: franck.kegelart on August 23, 2010, 06:56:59 AM
I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.
;)
Err...Franck, of course... :shiner:
=>
Quote from: grobmotorix on November 01, 2010, 06:43:22 AM
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0
QuoteNow I drive an unreliable and expensive 1997 Alfa GTV
>:(
Mine is rock solid and inexpensive :)
And back on topic: I believe that I will award the point to franck.kegelart because he first came up with Vogt.
Mine came from Belgium and it IS a cost nightmare...
Quote from: grobmotorix on November 01, 2010, 09:06:14 AM
Mine came from Belgium and it IS a cost nightmare...
1997 is a series 1 => better to avoid the first (1995-1997) series.
Is it a 2.0 T. Spark? => Better avoid the Fiat T.Spark engines (my 75 with the orginal
Alfa 2.0 T. Spark was, how predictable, rock solid and inexpensive as well)
Back to Opels now ;)
No new photo's but this time with captions from the 1987 book: 125 Jahre Opel: Autos und Technik, by Hans-Jürgen Schneider
The car on the puzzle photo has a plate that ends at 761, the one on my photo ends at 764. Could this mean that at least 4 were built?
QuoteThe car on the puzzle photo has a plate that ends at 761, the one on my photo ends at 764. Could this mean that at least 4 were built?
MZ stands for Mainz, where the ZDF (second german television) is located. So in my eyes it is most likely that there were at least MZ-MZ 761, 762 763 and 764.
With opened hatch:
According to the latest edition of Der Zuverlässige (the Alt-Opel-IG magazine) Vogt built around 20 Admiral hatchbacks and around 150 Admiral fastbacks with a bootlid. (I think the second number to be too high, though.) Further more they built 3 Diplomat fastbacks (cf. Reply #12). Going by the puzzle picture some hatchbacks must have been a Kapitän instead of an Admiral.
A brochure and a view into the car's back showing the upright position of the spare wheel and the division window: