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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2010 => Topic started by: Joćo on October 29, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
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20 points - 20 cars
Some forgotten by history,some prototypes and home made cars.
Do not be surprised to find brands that you never heard about...
Have fun hunters!
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Second group:
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Neat theme - nicely done! :)
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Thank you! :) and Up!
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I am at a complete loss. This is a very interesting puzzle, but so far I was not able to identify any car. One question: not all of them are from USA, right?
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You“re right,I“m glad you like it!
Americans? Not all.... ;) without connections between them,just to show the evolution.
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su19: could that be a Germain from Belgium?
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su4 is a "Cote" driven by Cyril De Včre at the 1912 Grand Prixe by the Automobile Club of France
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#19 not a Germain...and yes! it“s a 1912 Cote!
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apg9 is rather non-descriptive, but could that be a Star tourer?
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No,
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apg1: 1902 Binney-Burnham Runabout. Built by The Binney & Burnham Co., Boston, MA, 1901-1902
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Yes! ;)
#1:1902 Binney-Burnham Runabout.Built by The Binney & Burnham Co., Boston, MA, 1901-1902 - pnegyesi
#2:1905 Rossel 28-35HP carrossée par Th.Botiaux et cie - Paul Jaray
#3:1916 Scripps Booth Town Car by Cole & Woop - pnegyesi
#4:1912 Cote driven by Cyril De Včre at the 1912 Grand Prixe by the Automobile Club of France - pnegyesi
#5:1906 Chaboche Steamer - Paul Jaray
#6:1921 JL Tourer - pnegyesi
#7:1919 Liberty 2 Door Enclosed Coupe - Paul Jaray
#8:1920 Tuar 12HP Type B3 - Paul Jaray
#9:1919 Pan Model A Touring - pnegyesi
#10:1923 Cole Sportster Sedan - pnegyesi
#11:1908 Protos 17-35PS Landaulet by Neuss - pnegyesi
#12:1908 Grieve 20HP - The first Peruvian automobile - pnegyesi
#13:1922 Hands 10/20 - Paul Jaray
#14:1947 Gilda made by Jorge Agnew - pnegyesi
#15:1910 Florentia (Prototipo?) - pnegyesi
#16:1911 Cunningham 4cyl. Roadster - Paul Jaray
#17:1907 Alba 40-45HP from Trieste - pnegyesi
#18:1908 Chase Model F - pnegyesi
#19:1908 Levrault Type D - pnegyesi
#20:1921-22 BOB Automobil Gesellschaft - Paul Jaray
pnegyesi : 13 points
Paul Jaray : 7 points
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apg10: 1923 Cole Sportster Sedan
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Right again!
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apg9: Maybe a Saxon Six?
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Not a Saxon..
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I can't escape the feeling that No20 is German. Maybe a Protos?
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Yes....It“s German ;) but not a Protos....
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su19: Cottereau voiturette?
su20: could that be a Stoewer Type D?
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su19: Cottereau voiturette?
su20: could that be a Stoewer Type D?
No & No....
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su20: then maybe a NAG D-type?
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su20: then maybe a NAG D-type?
:shakehead:
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apg6: cca 1920 JL tourer
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;)
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Pro guess
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#5 - Chaboche Steamer
#8 - Tuar 12hp Type B3 1920
#20 - Bob Automobil-Gesellshaft
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Yes! Congratulations!
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No3 is a Scripps-Booth Model D Town Car with body by George W Cole in 1916
No9: could that be a Monroe touring car?
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Yes! and no....
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Questions on some of the remaining cars:
su13: is it a restored car or a self-built car from old parts
su14: is this based on a British car?
su15: is this French?
I know one question at a time, but as there are 10 cars left, if possible I'd spare some time for us :)
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No,no and no..... Clue: number #14! is a self-built car from old parts,with a special name ;)
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#2 - Rossel 28-35HP 1905
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Good! ;)
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#7- Is that a Liberty?
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#16 - Is that a Parry?
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You“re right with the first guess! Which model and year?
The second guess... :shakehead:
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Liberty was active from 1916 till 1923.
Those wheels tell me that this one should be of 1923 and in that year the Model 10-D six was available in 7 body stiles, 2 of them coupe:
Liberty Six Model 10-D Commander Coupe and Cavalier Coupe.
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I“ll give you the point because of this beautiful answer! wow! probable my info is wrong.I have it as
1919 Liberty 2 Door Enclosed Coupe.
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Your source is right.
All the pics I found of Liberty cars had artillery wheels unless a model from 1923 (a coupe different from the puzzle one).
The way the hood meets the windshield, however is pretty much like a pre1921 model, because the later ones had a perpendicolar intersection of the windshield and additional lights.
That make this a Liberty Model 10-B Enclosed Coupe of 1919, then.
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#16 - Cole Sixty ?
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No sorry :-\ but you know now the right letter ;)
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#16 Should I avoid Cameron, Cartercar, Chadwick, Chalmers, Clark, Columbia, Correja, Courier, Crawford, Cunningham (all of these have a model in their 1912\13 lineup like that) and guess directly Cutting, Model A-40 perhaps?
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Not this one,sorry...clue: last but not least! ;D
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Do you mean a Crawford 11-30 roadster from 1911?
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:doh:
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Is that a "I said too much, you got it!" od a "Nope!" reply?
In the meantime: Cunningham Model J?
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:D It was a nope hehehe
And yes! It“s a Cunningham!
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No19: is that a Sigma from Switzerland?
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13 maybe a Citroen C3?
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No & No,sorry :-\
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su17: is it American?
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No,sorry.
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European?
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Yes ;)
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British?
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su14: Gilda. The story was published in a Brazilian blog: Albert Cagnani's grandfather built this car around 1940
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su14: Gilda. The story was published in a Brazilian blog: Albert Cagnani's grandfather built this car around 1940
Yes!! Congratulations! This was one of the most difficult :applause:
su17 it“s not British.
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su19: could that be a National?
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Not a National
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su19: is it French?
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su19: is it French?
Oui ;)
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su 19 : Delaunay-Belleville
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No,sorry....but it“s from the same country ;)
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Su19: maybe a CLC?
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Su19: maybe a CLC?
No :-\
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No19: Le Gui?
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Let's join our forces.
So far we know:
#9 - Star - Saxon - Monroe
#11
#12
#13 - Not restored or selbuilt - Citroen
#15 - Not French
#17 - European - not British
#18
#19 - French - Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC
#9 - USA?
#11 - European?
#12 - USA?
#13 - GB?
#15 - USA?
#17 - Germany?
#18 - USA? (is this car still dispayed in that Museum?)
#19 - Do the other cars of this brand have a round radiator?
I made only one guess for each car, I hope it's fine...
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No problem!
#9 - Star - Saxon - Monroe - Geronimo...
#11
#12
#13 - Not restored or selbuilt - Citroen ( Not a Citroėn,wrong country and this car still exist )
#15 - Not French - Yes,not French
#17 - European - not British - not British,the same country of #15
#18
#19 - French - Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui
#9 - USA? YES
#11 - European? YES
#12 - USA? NO
#13 - GB? YES
#15 - USA? NO
#17 - Germany? NO
#18 - USA? (is this car still displayed in that Museum?) The car is American but it“s in a foreign museum
#19 - Do the other cars of this brand have a round radiator? I don“t know...this is the only car of this brand that I found
I hope it can help!
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No19: Le Gui?
No13: Belsize-Bradshaw?
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No19: Le Gui?
No, sorry I missed your reply.
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No13: Belsize-Bradshaw?
Nope
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OK, let's work on this...
(#19 is french, unless I misread your previous clues...)
#9 - Nothing unusual about this...was it a short lived maker, like Alter?
#11- from a nation with (relatively) few makes, like Belgium or Switzerland?
#12- Europe?
#13- Hands?
#15- GB?
#17- GB?
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#9 - East Coast?
#11 - Swiss?
#12 - French?
#13 - PJ - congratulations! It is a Hands 10/20. How did you find it? Oh, well :)
#15 - European?
#17 - Belgium?
#18 - Is it in a Fench museum?
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Yes,number #19 is French.
#9 - Nothing unusual about this...was it a short lived maker, like Alter? Not an Alter but it“s a short lived car.
#11- from a nation with (relatively) few makes, like Belgium or Switzerland? No...his brother is very "famous" !!!
#12- Europe? No! ;D
#13- Hands? Yes!!!! It“s a Hands!! Nice!
#15- GB? No
#17- GB? No
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#15 - European? Yes
#17 - Belgium? No
#18 - Is it in a French museum? No....
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No12: is it from Australia?
No18: Is it in a UK museum?
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I'll keep note of the guesses..
#9 - USA , short lived car
#11- European Belgium or Switzerland ...his brother is very "famous"
#12- Not European and not American
#15 - European - Not British - not German - not French - the same country of #17
#17 - European - not British - not German - not French - the same country of #15
#18- USA - not in a French or American Museum
#19 - French - Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui
#12: Comet from Canada?
#15 & 17: Belgium?
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No 15/17: Swiss?
No12: is it from Australia?
No18: Is it in a UK museum?
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I'll keep note of the guesses..
#9 - USA , short lived car
#11- European Belgium or Switzerland ...his brother is very "famous"
#12- Not European and not American
#15 - European - Not British - not German - not French - the same country of #17
#17 - European - not British - not German - not French - the same country of #15
#18- USA - not in a French or American Museum
#19 - French - Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui
#12: Comet from Canada? Not from Canada
#15 & 17: Belgium? No
Nice board of clues! ;)
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No 15/17: Swiss? No
No12: is it from Australia? No
No18: Is it in a UK museum? No
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No12: Japanese?
No15: Czechoslovakia?
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No and No
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No15/17: Dutch?
No12 we're running out of continents. Not North America, Europe, Australia or Japan. South America?
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#9 - USA , short lived car
#11- European - not Belgium or Switzerland ...his brother is very "famous"
#12- Not Europe , USA, Canada, Australia, Japan
#15 - European - Not GB - not Germany - not France - not Belgium - Not Swiss - Not CZ - the same country of #17
#17 - European - not GB - not Germany - not France - not Belgium - Not Swiss - not CZ -the same country of #15
#18- USA - not in a French or American or British Museum
#19 - French - not Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui
#15 & 17 - Italy? (#17 seems like a FLAG)
#11 - The maker's brother?
#12 - South America?
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Yes! Italy! for number #15 & #17!
Not the maker“s brother
Yes!! South America!
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#17 - Flag?
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#17 - Flag?
No,sorry.
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#15 -
SPA? ZUST?
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#15 - SPA?
No
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#15 - Zust?
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No12: Anasagasti?
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No and No
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No12: From Brasil?
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No12: From Brasil?
:disbelief:
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Argentina?
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#9 - USA , short lived car
#11- European - not Belgium or Switzerland ...his brother is very "famous"
#12- South America - not Brasil - not Anasagasti
#15 - Italian - Not SPA - not Zust
#17 - Italian - Not Flag
#18- USA - not in a French or American or British Museum
#19 - French - not Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui
#12 - argentina?
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Not from Argentina
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No12: Venezuela?
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No12: Venezuela?
Not Venezuela
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#12 - Uruguay?
#15 - Itala?
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No and No
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19 : Georges Roy ?
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19 : Georges Roy ?
Not a Georges Roy
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No12: Peru?
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No12: Peru?
Yes!! ;)
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No 12: "Automóvil Grieve conducido por su creador" - Juan Alberto Grieve on his self-built car
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No 12: "Automóvil Grieve conducido por su creador" - Juan Alberto Grieve on his self-built car
:thumbsup: That“s it! Congratulations
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I thought No15 will be an Alba, but it turned out that No17 is an Alba, which was made in Trieste!
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I thought No15 will be an Alba, but it turned out that No17 is an Alba, which was made in Trieste!
Yes! It“s an Alba! Another one, :applause: :applause:
Congratulations! ;)
Edit: BTW Trieste was officially annexed to the Kingdom of Italy only with the Treaty of Rapallo in 1920.So forgive me for the wrong clue :-\
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Technically it was not Italian... :-\
EDIT: I wouldn't have find it in any case.... ;D
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This is the Interior of the Alba Automobile Factory in Zaule, Trieste ( Austria ) :bag:
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To make matters worse there are some people who consider Alba to be of Hungarian origin. It is silly, but that's why I got to know Alba and considered it :)
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Last question for today: No11 is a subsidiary of a more famous brand?
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Don“t forget the French Alba made by Constructions Métallurgiques, Usines Alba, Suresnes, Seine between 1913 and 1928 :lmao:
#11 : No,another picture :
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...and the Portoguese one?
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#9 - USA , short lived car - was it made in the East Coast?
#11- European - not Belgium or Switzerland ...his brother is very "famous" - French again?
#15 - Italian - Not SPA - not Zust - Was this brand active for more than 5 years?
#18- USA - not in a French or American or British Museum. - Was this brand active for more than 5 years?
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#9 - USA , short lived car - was it made in the East Coast? No
#11- European - not Belgium or Switzerland ...his brother is very "famous" - French again? No
#15 - Italian - Not SPA - not Zust - Was this brand active for more than 5 years? Yes,I believe so.
#18- USA - not in a French or American or British Museum. - Was this brand active for more than 5 years?
Yes
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No9: West Coast?
No11: German?
No18: is it in a Swedish museum?
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#9 : No.
#11 : Yes!
#18 : No.
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apg11: Is that a C Benz Söhne?
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apg11: Is that a C Benz Söhne?
No.
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No11 is a 1908 Protos
Now,we have four left. Two American, one Italian and a French.
A guess: no15 - is that a Florentia?
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No11 is a 1908 Protos
Now,we have four left. Two American, one Italian and a French.
A guess: no15 - is that a Florentia?
YES YES YES & YES!!! ;D Nice!
Edit: This is the Brazilian Protos.His famous brother is the New York to Paris one.
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No 19 : Léon Bollée ?
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No 19 : Léon Bollée ?
Nope
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No18: was this particular car built between 1915-1918?
No19: was this particular car built between 1908-1910?
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No and Yes.
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No19: maybe a Werner?
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No19: maybe a Werner?
No,
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No 19 : Cottin-Desgouttes ?
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No 19 : Cottin-Desgouttes ?
No,
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No 19 : Brasier ?
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No19: Le Joyeuse?
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No and No
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#19: French, 1908-1910, not Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui - Georges Roy - Léon Bollée - Werner - Cottin-Desgouttes - Brasier - Le Joyeuse
Gladiator?
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#19: French, 1908-1910, not Cottereau - National - Delaunay-Belleville - CLC - Le Gui - Georges Roy - Léon Bollée - Werner - Cottin-Desgouttes - Brasier - Le Joyeuse
Gladiator?
Nope
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Single name, like Gregoire, or double, like La Buire?
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Single name, like Gregoire, or double, like La Buire?
Single name
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Was the make still active after WW1 ?
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Was the make still active after WW1 ?
No.
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This is the only car of this brand that you found, you wrote.
I'm sure you would find a pic of Alcyon, Aries, Bedelia, Berliet, Bugatti, Decauville, Delage, Delahaye, Hotchkiss, Mathis, Serpollet, Renault, Peugeot, Mors, Motobloc, Unic, Vermorel,...
Is it a name, like Barre', or just letters, like DFP, DSPL, DSR, ENV, FL, GC, MP, RIP, SPO?
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This is the only car of this brand that you found, you wrote.
I'm sure you would find a pic of Alcyon, Aries, Bedelia, Berliet, Bugatti, Decauville, Delage, Delahaye, Hotchkiss, Mathis, Serpollet, Renault, Peugeot, Mors, Motobloc, Unic, Vermorel,...
Is it a name, like Barre', or just letters, like DFP, DSPL, DSR, ENV, FL, GC, MP, RIP, SPO?
It“s a name,not just letters.
Alcyon, Aries, Barré, Bedelia, Berliet, Bugatti, Decauville, Delage, Delahaye, Hotchkiss, Mathis, Serpollet, Renault, Peugeot, Mors, Motobloc, Unic, Vermorel
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Galliot?
Or is the name shorter that that?
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Galliot?
Or is the name shorter that that?
No for both ;)
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Baillereau?
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Baillereau?
No.
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Porthos?
or is the name longer than that?
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Porthos?
or is the name longer than that?
No and longer than that,
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Cornilleau?
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Cornilleau?
No,sorry.
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I have 9 names left for today:
Westinghouse?
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I have 9 names left for today:
Westinghouse?
;D
Not a Westinghouse.
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I have a pic of Jenatzy, riding a Mercedes at the Gordon Bennett Cup in 1906 that looks quite close..but..
Marlborough?
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Not the same car,and not a Marlborough.
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I really don't like this way, but...is there a 'T' in the name?
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I really don't like this way, but...is there a 'T' in the name?
Yes! :nod:
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Cohendet?
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Not a Cohendet.
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I'm quite sure it's not a Violette or an Utilitaire and the Berthier was a La Buire....
I'll have to pass....
The car should be in the 1908-1910 range, the maker in the § - 1915 range...was the maker active for more than 10 years?
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Not a Violette,Utilitaire or a Berthier.
Don“t give up! :)
"was the maker active for more than 10 years?" No.
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Is it featured in any books as a car maker, like the ones already mentioned, or was it just an entry for a race, named after a builder or a racer? (or both...)
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Is it featured in any books as a car maker, like the ones already mentioned, or was it just an entry for a race, named after a builder or a racer? (or both...)
It“s a car maker.This is a regular production one ( I think ) that was just an entry for a race.
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Antoinette?
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Antoinette?
No,not an Antoinette.
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I have a bunch of candidates, but I'll not be online today so we'll see. Parent?
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I've done my homework again, and a new list is ready:
9 names (again...) 2 are electric vehicles...1 is Nordenfeldt, and we have some pictures also here...
Demeester?
Duhanot?
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Not a Parent, Nordenfeldt,Demeester or Duhanot.
It“s not an electric automobile.
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It's french...a regular manufacturer (not a designer, engineer, or a selfbuilt car), active for less than 10 years, in the 1908-1910 range but before WW1 end.
The name is a single name, 7 letters or more, with a 'T'...
Is this one the only model available?
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I don“t think so because it“s a Type ( Letter ) something automobile.The only picture that I found for this make.
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Siscart ....Type Course maby?
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It's french...a regular manufacturer (not a designer, engineer, or a selfbuilt car), active for less than 10 years, in the 1908-1910 range but before WW1 end.
The name is a single name, more than 7 letters, with a 'T'...
Is this one the only model available?
Sorry, my fault...
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No problem!
Not a Siscart ....It was not built for race so not a Course type.
It“s a letter name.
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It is a Levrault Type D, 1908 - with apologies to PJ
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It is a Levrault Type D, 1908 - with apologies to PJ
Yes it“s! Congratulations :applause:
Now only two cars remaining,both American.
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no9: anything outstanding on this car? its engine, its creator, anything?
no18: was this made before 1910?
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no9: anything outstanding on this car? its engine, its creator, anything?
no18: was this made before 1910?
No and Yes.
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no18: is this museum located in Europe?
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no18: is this museum located in Europe?
Not in Europe.
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in North America?
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in North America?
Not in North America...This museum no longer exists :-\
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It is a Levrault Type D, 1908 - with apologies to PJ
No need to apologise, it was a fair match and you did great!
This Levrault is not featured in any book but in the 'Guide de l'automobile francaise' that is not yet in my index...so far...
#9 - Single name?
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Yes a single name!
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Was this maker part of a group (big-3, Durant, etc) or connected with one or more brands?
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when it existed, was this museum located in Europe or North America?
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Was this maker part of a group (big-3, Durant, etc) or connected with one or more brands?
No.
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when it existed, was this museum located in Europe or North America?
Not located in Europe or North America.
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was this museum Australian?
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was this museum Australian?
Not Australian.
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South American museum?
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Yes :)
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hmm, was this museum in Brazil?
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hmm, was this museum in Brazil?
:nod:
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I think then that this car is a 1908 Chase
(http://www2.uol.com.br/bestcars/carros/classicos/ulbra/chase-1908.jpg)
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Yes it“s a 1908 Chase Model F
Congratulations again!
There is another one like this around.
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so only no9, a rather non-descriptive touring car is left. Are there many survivors left of this brand?
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I believe that there are only two.
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USA, single name, short lived, not made in the East or West Cost, not part of a group, only 2 left (probably).
Alter - Geronimo - Monroe - Saxon - Star
Was it active for more than 5 years?
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No.
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If needed I'll list all the non-East/West coast states. So let's start with the obvious: Michigan?
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OK, I'll start the wild guesses:
Handley?
EDIT: I took the only make, short lived, less than 5 years, single name, not part of a group, with only 1 or 2 existing cars and made in a central state with a quite recognizeable feature: the handles on the headlamps :disbelief:
I'll follow Pal's strategy: Indiana?
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Not Michigan or Indiana but it“s close!!
Not a Handley .
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Ohio?
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Not Ohio.
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Illinois?
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Wisconsin?
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Not Wisconsin or Illinois.
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Kentucky?
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Kentucky?
No
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Missouri?
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Not Missouri
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Not Michigan or Indiana but it“s close!!
Define close, please...
Iowa?
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Hmm, then it is either on the East Coast or not close to Michigan and Illionis.
So is this state is to the "right" towards New York from Michigan?
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Not Michigan or Indiana but it“s close!!
Define close, please...
Iowa?
Above.... ;)
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Minnesota!
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Minnesota!
Sure! ;D
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Well, it is not locked, so I put my generosity aside and tell you that it is a 1919 Pan Model A
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Moore?
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You“re right! This is the 1919 Pan Model A Touring Car from St. Cloud,MN.
Congratulations Pnegyesi and Paul Jaray! :applause: :applause: :applause:
Finnaly the last one of the "Automobile Evolution" group puzzle is solved! Great job guys :bow:
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I had bad dreams about this puzzle so I am relieved that it has finally been solved :shiner:
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Finally!
Pal, you are amazing! It's been really challenging...and I had my books at hand!
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I had bad dreams about this puzzle so I am relieved that it has finally been solved :shiner:
Both of you! Amazing knowledge!
I was tired too ;D almost 10 pages!! :hyper:
Respect + !
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Quite a puzzle. Are any of the pics modified to obscure names, etc.? If so, can the unmodified pics be posted? Thx.
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Quite a puzzle. Are any of the pics modified to obscure names, etc.? If so, can the unmodified pics be posted? Thx.
Only the Cote picture! :)
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Well done, gentlemen!
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There are 4 Pans around,not 2 as I said before.