Tell me what this is, and I'll reward you with a point :)
Experts?
I'd say it's a Lutzmann vis-a-vis, about 1896.
It's not a Lutzmann. I only have an estimated year for this and your not far off.
Early Opel (c.1898) based on the Lutzmann?
Not an Opel, either
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Is it from Germany?
No
Is this from Northern Europe?
No
From Southern Europe ? ;)
Not from there
Russia?
Bent engined? It looks very much like a kind of licence build of a Benz Victoria.
Not from Russia, and I have no information on the engine
Is it from Europe at all?
This is one of several puzzles that I am finding very frustrating at the moment, as I can get half-way to an answer, but no further.
This car looks just like an 1895 Lutzmann - there's a well-known photo below. The two cars are the same in almost every detail. The only significant difference I can see is in the rear hub, where the Lutzmann has a large drum, which would have external contracting brakes acting on it, while the puzzle car appears to just have a sprocket wheel for the chain drive, but no brake drum.
So is it a Lutzmann built under licence by someone else, or a blatant copy of one, or maybe a genuine Lutzmann that has been modified mechanically? Whatever it is, I haven't been able to find it.
But as a guess, is it from the USA?
Not from the USA. There is very little known about this make, so I cannot tell you anything about a Lutzmann relation.
Is it from Europe at all?
I agree with ftg3plus4 and Tom_I that if it is not a Lutzmann, there is too much about it that is the same for there to be no connection.
Quite possibly it is a publicity photo used for the non-Lutzmann make when they had yet to build a car, so they used a Lutzmann photo.
Perhaps Guido66 can post another photo of the car so that we can see how different (or not) is it.
Is it from Asia?
It is European and it's the only photo of this vehicle known to me
Benelux?
Yes, indeed.
I would almost think it is "Groninger Motorrijtuigenfabriek" then? (of which it is said it was based on Lutzmann)
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I wouldn't think they sold many in 1900! The design was well out of date by then, and as was said it's an 1895 Lutzmann in every detail - a lot of development took place in five years in those days.
Quote from: guido66 on October 17, 2010, 01:13:52 PM
Not from the USA. There is very little known about this make, so I cannot tell you anything about a Lutzmann relation.
The make is mentioned in the famous book about cars from this country.
I have some info posted too.
The make is very known. It is the car that carried the license plate with the number "1" on it.
There is a certain site out there on Dutch car history, I'm sure you know which one I mean.
It only states that this make existed in 1898 and 1899, and that 2 cars were shown on the 1899 Amsterdam show. Nothing else known it says. ;)
So, the make perhaps is well known, but facts about it are very scarce :)
Quote from: DeAutogids on November 04, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
The make is very known. It is the car that carried the license plate with the number "1" on it.
I can't find a bigger picture, but if you mean this one, it's not the same car. This one has a front axle, but the puzzle car has each front wheel mounted in a bicycle-type fork.
Quote from: Tom_I on November 04, 2010, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: DeAutogids on November 04, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
The make is very known. It is the car that carried the license plate with the number "1" on it.
I can't find a bigger picture, but if you mean this one, it's not the same car. This one has a front axle, but the puzzle car has each front wheel mounted in a bicycle-type fork.
Don't forget that this manufacturer made more then one car.
Quote from: guido66 on November 04, 2010, 03:45:53 PM
There is a certain site out there on Dutch car history, I'm sure you know which one I mean.
It only states that this make existed in 1898 and 1899, and that 2 cars were shown on the 1899 Amsterdam show. Nothing else known it says. ;)
So, the make perhaps is well known, but facts about it are very scarce :)
My nickname is a site as well.
There is the book of Lammerse.
I also have a photo of number two. :D
Pretty conclusive
But that's not the puzzle car either - it's quite different.
Quote from: Tom_I on November 04, 2010, 05:50:18 PM
But that's not the puzzle car either - it's quite different.
Absolutely.
Groninger has never made 2 cars alike; all of them (less then 10, I know of 5) were unique.