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Title: Puzzle #568 - Solved! PZinz 403 LS Lux Sport
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 01, 2007, 05:42:51 AM
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Title: Re: Puzzle #568
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 01, 2007, 06:28:17 AM
Hi, is that an Hanomag? Looking for the model..
Title: Re: Puzzle #568
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 01, 2007, 06:49:35 AM
No use in searching among Hanomag cause It's a......PZInz lux sport LS from Poland 1936, v8 3880cc 70kw 95hp...
Title: Re: Puzzle #568
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 02, 2007, 02:34:29 PM
Right make - I have a different model designation...
Title: Re: Puzzle #568
Post by: @re on November 02, 2007, 03:08:58 PM
I would have to agree with Mr. Jaray on that one - based on these websites, at least:

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Of course, I'm open to the possibility that you might have very strong evidence that these sites are wrong  :)

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Title: Re: Puzzle #568
Post by: grobmotorix on November 02, 2007, 05:48:59 PM
Polski Fiat 403 Lux Sport

is the name used by some other sources.

But there is also this polish wikipedia-site:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C5%84stwowe_Zak%C5%82ady_In%C5%BCynierii

There seems to have been a compony called PZInż that built licence Fiats in Poland (Polski Fiats), but I can´t find any polish-english web-translation site...
Title: Re: Puzzle #568
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 03, 2007, 04:11:28 AM
Hi, the full name of this model is in fact PZinz 403 LS Lux Sport  from 1936,
more pics at ---link deleted...
There is also a relation with the Hanomag...that an (automatic) translation of what I found:
PZinz 403 LS Lux Sport
Carriage si whereas on German Hanomag 1,3 of almost identical bodywork.
...and of course no Fiat v8 engines where avalable on 1936...
Title: Re: Puzzle #568 - Solved! PZinz 403 LS Lux Sport
Post by: ImpishGrin on November 16, 2009, 10:49:54 AM
I know it's an old puzzle, but since we try to maintain the highest possible level of accuracy at AP, I feel that a bit of clarification is in order.

The car is in fact the Lux-Sport (PZInż. 403). At least two chassis were built in 1930s, one fitted with bodywork the other only as a rolling chassis. The latter survived to this day and can be seen in Warsaw in the Technical Museum. The car was intended for production in 1940, when the licensing agreement with Fiat was to end.

PZInż. (Państwowe Zakłady Inżynieryjne = State Engineering Factories) were created in 1928 from the earlier CWS company (Centralne Warsztaty Samochodowe = Central Car Workshops). Later also truck producer Ursus was merged into PZInż. The CWS make for passenger cars was retained until 1932, and the Sokół make for motorcyles until 1939. Since 1932 a new factory produced license-built Fiats (the original Polski Fiat, not to be confused with Polski Fiat from 1960s-90s). PZInż. was also responsible for designing and producing military vehicles (they also made some navy vessels) as well as agricultural equipment.

The Hanomag link is only speculative - it is assumed that German spies stole the plans from PZInż. and used them to design the body of a new Hanomag model.
Title: Re: Puzzle #568 - Solved! PZinz 403 LS Lux Sport
Post by: woodinsight on September 21, 2010, 03:20:15 AM
 - another view
Title: Re: Puzzle #568 - Solved! PZinz 403 LS Lux Sport
Post by: Carnut on November 20, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
And another!: