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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2010 => Topic started by: Allemano on May 05, 2010, 05:50:22 PM
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Please respond below if you know the make and model designation of this car.
Furthermore I'd like to know the client for it was built, the coachbuilder and who was responsible for the design.
One point for the right and complete answer!
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next level.
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Russian?
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Not from there.
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American?
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Certain parts are American...
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I vaguely remember seeing a picture like this with a Jonckheere coachwork. Does it have Belgian parts?
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No.
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Professionals!
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:bump:
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I think I saw it but have no time...is this car related to (at least) another one, british (probably) prototype already present here as a puzzle?
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I think I saw it but have no time...is this car related to (at least) another one, british (probably) prototype already present here as a puzzle?
Not related to any British prototype(wouldn't call it a prototype at all).
I think this car is very interisting for a certain kind of car collectors...
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Military car collectors?
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No.. ;D
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Is it actually a scale model?
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Did somebody famous die in this vehicle?
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Though the photo was made at a rather depressive location I'm not aware of any person that passed away in this car.
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was it made for or did it appear in a movie?
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Not to my knowledge.
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I sense some Buick somewhere. Am I right?
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No, your intuition is playing tricks on you..
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UK?
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In reply #11 I've said it's not British. That includes the whole UK.
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I'm getting a Packard vibe.
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I'm getting a Packard vibe.
That must feel good! :) It's indeed Packard based!
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In reply #11 I've said it's not British. That includes the whole UK.
You said it's not ... British ... I thought it was a sort of a hint...
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Sorry, I did confuse you.
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It was a long shot, I knew it... ;D
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So, is it fully American?
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So, is it fully American?
Not at all! (reply #5)
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Is the coachwork done in Central Europe?
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Yes!
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Czechoslovakia?
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No.
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Poland?
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No.
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Austria?
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No.
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Romania?
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Would you say that Romania is part of Central Europe? ;)
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You tend to add Switzerland to Central Europe, so why not :)
BTW, Swiss?
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No.
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Hungary ?
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Do you consider the Baltic countries Central Europe?
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I'll throw in with Liechtenstein
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I'll throw in with Liechtenstein
:shakehead:
It isn't Monaco, San Marino, Vatican & Andorra either...
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..and it's neither from Hungary nor any Baltic country.
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Slovenia?
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Not from Slovenia as well.
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The Duchy of Grand Fenwick?
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Croatia?
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Not from Croatia not from any fantasy state.
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(http://wikitravel.org/upload/shared//thumb/5/5a/Central_Europe_Regions.png/350px-Central_Europe_Regions.png)
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So it is German. It is a rather free interpretation of Central Europe :)
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Yes from Germany!
According to WIKI Central Europe there isn't only one definition. Some source say Romania and the BeNeLux are part of CE as well, but usually it's like shown in the pic I've posted in my last reply.
Switzerland is mentioned in almost all definitions, but rarely Croatia...
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Well, you're German, do you think you reside in Central Europe? Nah, you live in Western Europe, a region which we secretly envy :)
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Before 1989 the BRD was per definition a Western European state but after re-union we stepped a bit more in the center..
Whatever! :P
Back to work again!
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Hitler was known to travel by Packard occasionally - was this one associated with the little dictator?
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Coachwork by Spohn ?
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Coachwork by Spohn ?
YES! I lock this for you to find the rest of required infos! Your puzzle for 48h!
Hitler was known to travel by Packard occasionally - was this one associated with the little dictator?
:shakehead:
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I was gonna say Spohn, but yves was looking over my shoulder, so I changed my answer. :P
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I think this car is very interisting for a certain kind of car collectors...
This referred to the recent Post War Spohn topic.
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Sorry, I didn't find additional information about that car.
I said Spohn because I knew that this coachbuilder had made modifications on American cars, both before and after WWII (and apparently during WWII as well...)
If someone knows better, it's up to him.
There is certainly a very interesting story about that car, first of all how could an American car have been imported in Germany during the war...
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Sorry, I didn't find additional information about that car.
I said Spohn because I knew that this coachbuilder had made modifications on American cars, both before and after WWII (and apparently during WWII as well...)
If someone knows better, it's up to him.
There is certainly a very interesting story about that car, first of all how could an American car have been imported in Germany during the war...
Well, the USA was neutral until December 1941. After that cars could theoretically have been imported via a neutral country.
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It wasn't unusual for Spohn to re-body cars that were not new.
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Well known the designer is...
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Josef Eiwanger Jr?
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Not him, not from the inner Spohn circle..
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It looks inspired by this, so Neumann-Neander?
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no.
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We had that designer before, but on a completely different make.. The historical (and visual!) background seems to be quite similar, though.
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PJ?
Wendler
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Neither Paul Jaray nor from one of the other aerodynamic trailblazers.
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Err. Wendler I thought is a coachbuilder as well, but this car is made by Spohn...
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Wendeler designed a Maybach, constructed by Spohn, that resembled this Packard.
OK - how about Wunibald Kamm
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OK - how about Wunibald Kamm
Neither Paul Jaray nor from one of the other aerodynamic trailblazers.
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This designer had a very wide range of activities
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Sorry - we seem to be posting over each other. I'll cool it.
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This designer had a very wide range of activities
One of his is shown in one of the current group puzzles..
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Walter Gropius?
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Or Alex Tremulis?
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hehe, that would be too easy... none of the above! ;D
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Brook Stevens?
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Brook Stevens?
It seems you don't find him in the result list, yet... ;D
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Last call before it does its way to the BH
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An industrial designer?
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Yes, automotive and industrial designer I would say.
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French?
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French?
:nod:
You're getting closer...
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Not Raymond Loewy...
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Not Raymond Loewy. If you follow one of my previous clues, you should find something..
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Also involved in motorsports?
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Not that I'm aware of, but who knows? However motorsports definetely wasn't what he was famous for.
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Lepoix, perhaps. He designed a similarly swoopy motorcylce in the 1940's, and worked in Germany.
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Lepoix, perhaps. He designed a similarly swoopy motorcylce in the 1940's, and worked in Germany.
BINGO!
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Woo-hoo! ;D
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Was the customer a foreigner living in Germany?
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Was the customer a foreigner living in Germany?
This question implies you're on to something..
Yes, he was a foreigner living in Germany back then.
For some reason and for a certain time..
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Was his presence related to the occupation of Germany at the end of WWII?
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Wild guess, since I can find no corroborating information - Dwight D. Eisenhower?
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No, the client wasn't American.
But he's on this pic as well...
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Is the Frenchman Jean de Lattre de Tassigny?
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No, but do you know the one standing in the center?
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Frenchman is Kœnig, which makes the central figure Tedder?
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Nope - Tedder's on the right. :P
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You spotted Marie-Pierre Kœnig which finally closes this chapter! :applause:
Man in the center is the already mentioned Dwight Eisenhower. Why did I asked for the man in the center? :doh:
The whole story of this car follows later!
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Short summary:
This car was ordered by French General Pierre Koenig who was governor of the French zone in Germany (1945-49). He told Louis Lepoix (who was a French soldier back then) to design a Packard based car. The rough bodywork was done by the C.R.A.S. (Centre de Reperation Automobile Sud) in Friedrichshafen which was kind of a huge repair garage of the French forces.
The paintjob and the entire interior was made by Spohn in Ravensburg. The car was delivered in 1949.
I'm not sure if there was a relation between Lepoix and Spohn at all. The sketch illustrates that the Koenig Packard based on a 1932 chassis.
The pic below shows the unfinished body at C.R.A.S.
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I give two points for this as it was really hard and not to find on the internet. Two well deserved points for Otto Puzell who fulfilled three of the requirements:
1. Packard
2. Lepoix
3. Pierre König
Oh, and Yves guessed the coachbuilder right.. :-\
Hmmm.. I'm too generous today, so, I give him a point as well.
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That's very generous, as I didn't ID Spohn. Can yves get the second point? To satisfy the requirement of the puzzle as posted:
Please respond below if you know the make and model designation of this car. (1932 Packard Eight)
Furthermore I'd like to know the client for it was built, (French General Pierre Koenig) the coachbuilder (Spohn and C.R.A.S.) and who was responsible for the design (Louis Lepoix).
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Already edited my last post! ;)
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I beat you by 45 seconds! ;D
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:hail: the both (or three) of you. This is definitely Autopuzzling at its best!
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The sketch title says 1932, but the car itself looks more like a 1942 model. Is there an error ?
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The sketch title says 1932, but the car itself looks more like a 1942 model. Is there an error ?
no, the sketch title only says it is based on a 1932 Packard chassis.
The sketch dates from 11. March 1947 (written right below the sketch)