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Title: Solved: 433. by Allemano - 1952 Fiat-Zündapp race car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on June 11, 2010, 05:28:28 AM
Please respond below if you know the make and model designation of this car.
One point for the right and complete answer!

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Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 19, 2010, 10:36:13 AM
Aero Minor based?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 19, 2010, 01:27:28 PM
No.
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allan L on June 20, 2010, 03:56:48 AM
BMW-based?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 22, 2010, 02:27:05 PM
Sorry for the delay! It's not a BMW underneath
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: guido66 on June 22, 2010, 03:17:48 PM
Related to the Goggomobil that's parked alongside it?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 22, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
No.
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 22, 2010, 03:27:06 PM
Polish?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 22, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
Not from Poland
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 22, 2010, 03:38:28 PM
From Eastern Europe at all?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 22, 2010, 03:40:29 PM
No.
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: guido66 on June 22, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
Steyr-Puch engine?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 22, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
No.
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: guido66 on June 22, 2010, 05:31:01 PM
Panhard?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 22, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
:shakehead:
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2010, 07:47:03 AM
Motorcycle engine?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 23, 2010, 07:47:17 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2010, 07:53:55 AM
European?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 23, 2010, 08:01:23 AM
:nod:
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2010, 08:04:58 AM
German?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 23, 2010, 08:14:35 AM
:nod:
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2010, 08:50:45 AM
NSU?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 23, 2010, 08:52:11 AM
No.
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: faksta on June 23, 2010, 11:23:18 AM
Mmm..DKW?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 23, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
Not DKW powered
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: guido66 on June 23, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
Zündapp engine?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 23, 2010, 06:24:45 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: metalshapes on June 23, 2010, 08:29:11 PM
Ural powered?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 24, 2010, 03:04:28 AM
No, it's Zündapp powered as mentioned before. ;)
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: guido66 on June 24, 2010, 01:33:10 PM
home built?
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: metalshapes on June 24, 2010, 04:11:20 PM
Moser-Fiat-Zündapp, AKA  Wilhelm Moser Zündapp Eigenbau
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: guido66 on June 24, 2010, 04:27:49 PM
You beat me to it!  :hail:
Title: Re: 433. by Allemano
Post by: Allemano on June 24, 2010, 04:46:04 PM
Yes, well done!
Title: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on November 07, 2011, 07:42:18 AM
And what's this?
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Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 07, 2011, 07:43:36 AM
For P&FW!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 07, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
DB engine?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 07, 2011, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on November 07, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
DB engine?
???
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 07, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
Sorry - stupid question by me.

Based on a Deutsch Bonnet, or a predecessor of one of their cars (which had Panhard engines)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 07, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
No, far from that.

The builder was related to a known company, but I don't know what this particular car is based on or with which parts it was built.

All I have is the builder's name and a year when the photo was made.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: grobmotorix on November 08, 2011, 12:09:30 PM
Love it!
Basic design at its best.
Maybe with a motorcycle engine (BMW)?

The surroundings look like early postwar Germany?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 10, 2011, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on November 08, 2011, 12:09:30 PM
Love it!
Basic design at its best.
Maybe with a motorcycle engine (BMW)?

The surroundings look like early postwar Germany?
Probably a motorcycle engine, but I guess not by BMW. It's German and from the early fifities.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
Could be a Zündapp head sticking out.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on November 10, 2011, 03:01:15 PM
East German?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 11, 2011, 01:35:03 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
Could be a Zündapp head sticking out.
Could be, but I really don't know.  :-\
I checked the products of that related company I referred to in reply#5. They built motor-cycles, but not with boxer engines. (assumed it actually is equipped with a boxer!)
Quote from: Wendax on November 10, 2011, 03:01:15 PM
East German?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on November 11, 2011, 03:20:57 AM
Is the related company Horex?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 11, 2011, 03:24:16 AM
Quote from: Wendax on November 11, 2011, 03:20:57 AM
Is the related company Horex?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 21, 2011, 04:37:03 AM
Open for all!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 06:33:27 AM
a little help:
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on November 29, 2011, 06:47:11 AM
One of the Maisch brothers?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 08:30:23 AM
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on November 29, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
Willy Tetzlaff?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: Wendax on November 29, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
Willy Tetzlaff?
Not him and not his brother Alfred...
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on November 29, 2011, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: Wendax on November 29, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
Willy Tetzlaff?
Not him and not his brother Alfred...

Haben wir einen Clown gefrühstückt?  ;)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 01:04:10 PM
Meinst Du, nur Du darfst lustig sein? ;)


He was none of the Maisch brothers, but was related to Maico.
(to a minor part)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on November 29, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
Uli Pohl?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 01:27:23 PM
No.
As I tried to explain in my previous post I guess he won't be mentioned in the history of Maico as he only did a second role job there.
He actully had a driver job, though.  ;)

Obviousely he worked at another not car related company as a mechanic later.
Further the source reports that he started on minor racing events, though I can't find him listed anywhere on the internet (so far).
Seems he was more a kind of hobby driver.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 01:32:44 PM
Here you see him at the wheel in one of his other vehicles.

Next clue will be the greyed surface lifted..
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on January 03, 2012, 05:22:42 AM
To the hole?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: roger on January 04, 2012, 03:15:08 AM
Related to Ziehl (Spelling?) ?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on January 05, 2012, 12:53:22 AM
Quote from: roger on January 04, 2012, 03:15:08 AM
Related to Ziehl (Spelling?) ?
Not that I know of.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: faksta on January 06, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
It reminds me of a 750cc BMW engined car which Sigifredo Iori raced in Eritrea.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on January 07, 2012, 04:33:45 AM
Quote from: faksta on January 06, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
It reminds me of a 750cc BMW engined car which Sigifredo Iori raced in Eritrea.
I believe the builder of our puzzle car never was in Eritrea during his lifetime...
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: pnegyesi on January 07, 2012, 05:18:51 AM
Just out of curiousity before I lose myself in Google: are there any info available online?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on January 07, 2012, 05:23:46 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 07, 2012, 05:18:51 AM
Just out of curiousity before I lose myself in Google: are there any info available online?
Yes, but it's not that easy to find. I did detect it by sheer luck.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 04:26:23 AM
Quote from: Allemano on November 29, 2011, 01:32:44 PM
Here you see him at the wheel in one of his other vehicles.

Next clue will be the greyed surface lifted..

Wasn't this other car in a puzzle before?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on January 08, 2012, 04:52:19 AM
Aah, I forgot to post this:
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Wendax on January 08, 2012, 05:00:56 AM
The race car was built by Wilhelm Moser in 1952. He was test driver for Maico.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Allemano on January 08, 2012, 05:36:04 AM
That's the one! Well done! :)
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Wendax on January 08, 2012, 05:43:23 AM
Pure coincidence! I was fascinated by a rear view of the ultra-rare Lloyd LC 300 Coupé, when I suddenly found this one in the same gallery.  ;D
Title: Re: Allemano's № 711
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 06:27:42 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 04:26:23 AM

Wasn't this other car in a puzzle before?

:(
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on January 08, 2012, 06:28:41 AM
Quote from: Wendax on January 08, 2012, 05:43:23 AM
Pure coincidence! I was fascinated by a rear view of the ultra-rare Lloyd LC 300 Coupé, when I suddenly found this one in the same gallery.  ;D
If I remember right I was on the same trail. ;)
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on January 08, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 06:27:42 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 04:26:23 AM

Wasn't this other car in a puzzle before?

:(
Which car do you mean?
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 06:31:03 AM
It's too late, so it doesn't matter. But I was referring to the second car you posted, with the previously blanked out number plate.

Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on January 08, 2012, 06:32:57 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 06:31:03 AM
It's too late, so it doesn't matter. But I was referring to the second car you posted, with the previously blanked out number plate.


Does it appear on a search? I may be wrong, but think I've never seen it here.

I thought it was faksta's car you've had in mind.  :-\
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 08, 2012, 06:48:42 AM
Isn't it this one?

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=12876.msg108189#msg108189
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on January 08, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
I guess you are right!  :o
I didn't even remember this car!  :-\
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 711 - 1952 Self-Built Race Car by Wilhelm Moser
Post by: Allemano on February 22, 2012, 06:48:51 AM
Merged.