Here's a new challenge: another bunch of 20 obscure racing cars.
As usual: one point for each correct guess!
Points will be awarded when everything's finished
Happy puzzling!
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part I
part II
Rookies refuse to reply, maybe Experts are less stubborn.
#11 - Hrubon 1300 Gordini 1968
Results:
#01 Cegga AC Ace (faksta)
#02 Caracal D (faksta)
#03 Huambo NSU by Amadeu Inácio from Angola (Paul Jaray)
#04 Spider JSK from Czechoslovakia (faksta)
#05 Lenkin GP (Ehhxekt)
#06 Momo 2000 Opel Conrero (woodinsight)
#07 Fiat 1100 Lombardo (faksta)
#08 Alfazoni (João)
#09 Katipo MJ70A
#10 Veeteor LS/R (faksta)
#11 Hrubon 1300 Gordini 1968 (woodinsight)
#12 Fiat 1100 Fona 1949 (woodinsight)
#13 Wally Russell's Nedloh (woodinsight)
#14 PORSHCE ９０８Ｊ－ＣＶＴ (faksta)
#15 Barqueta Competicion Suzuki 1000 (Oguerrerob)
#16 (John) Bolster Special (woodinsight)
#17 Mirage-VW from 1969 aka the Geraldes Special (woodinsight)
#18 Mili VW (faksta)
#19 Coral Special 1964 (woodinsight)
#20 Mike Hiss' Gerhardt Offy Indy racer 1975 (faksta)
#16 - Bolster Special with 4 JAP engines at Crystal Palace 1939. John Bolster at the wheel.
(not to be confused with the original twin-engined "Bloody Mary" that was retired in 1937 but later resurrected postwar)
15. Barchetta Competition PRM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on October 11, 2010, 09:20:09 AM
15. Barchetta Competition PRM
Not completely correct according to my source. (engine, base?)
Quote from: woodinsight on October 11, 2010, 09:06:54 AM
#16 - Bolster Special with 4 JAP engines at Crystal Palace 1939. John Bolster at the wheel.
(not to be confused with the original twin-engined "Bloody Mary" that was retired in 1937 but later resurrected postwar)
Yes!
Here's the stripped car:
#6 - Momo 2000 1973
Driven by Giorgio Pianta & Paolo 'Pino' Pica at the Targa Florio in 1973.
It was fitted with an Opel-Conrero engine.
I was at the race in 1973 and remember Pianta driving it very quickly although it retired on lap 5.
15. PRM Barchetta Competition FUND BOOST II MOTOR SUZUKI 1000 INYECCION.
#3 - some sort of Brazilian NSU-based special?
#14 - Porsche based?
Quote from: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 08:26:24 AM
#14 - Porsche based?
sorry, I'm not at home – will check it later!
but as far as I recall it's not Porsche based... ;)
Quote from: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 07:57:04 AM
#3 - some sort of Brazilian NSU-based special?
If I'm not mistaken it's not Brazilian, but indeed related to NSU. Definite facts later!
#8 - Malzoni GT?
Quote from: Allemano on October 12, 2010, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 08:26:24 AM
#14 - Porsche based?
sorry, I'm not at home – will check it later!
but as far as I recall it's not Porsche based... ;)
After I doublechecked the name I have to say that it is not
Porsche based. ;)
Quote from: Allemano on October 12, 2010, 09:50:36 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 07:57:04 AM
#3 - some sort of Brazilian NSU-based special?
If I'm not mistaken it's not Brazilian, but indeed related to NSU. Definite facts later!
It's definetely not Brazilian.
#8 - Alfa Romeo?
Quote from: woodinsight on October 11, 2010, 09:59:04 AM
#6 - Momo 2000 1973
Driven by Giorgio Pianta & Paolo 'Pino' Pica at the Targa Florio in 1973.
It was fitted with an Opel-Conrero engine.
I was at the race in 1973 and remember Pianta driving it very quickly although it retired on lap 5.
Oh, I missed that.. You're right of course
Quote from: Oguerrerob on October 11, 2010, 10:12:07 AM
15. PRM Barchetta Competition FUND BOOST II MOTOR SUZUKI 1000 INYECCION.
Yes, though I have it spelled a little different.
#7 looks like na Osca-Maserati. Could it be one?
#8 could be any kind of a Alfa Romeo-based south-american racer?
Quote from: Joao Gois on October 17, 2010, 11:30:34 AM
#7 looks like na Osca-Maserati. Could it be one?
#8 could be any kind of a Alfa Romeo-based south-american racer?
#7 is a different car
#8 is a correct guess, go on!
#8 - Espingarda?
Quote from: woodinsight on October 17, 2010, 11:58:57 AM
#8 - Espingarda?
No, that's a different car: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13663.0 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13663.0)
#1 - ASA GTC with body by Drogo 1963-64
Quote from: woodinsight on October 22, 2010, 06:41:39 AM
#1 - ASA GTC with body by Drogo 1963-64
No, the ASA looks similar, but different in many details: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=12016.0 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=12016.0)
#13 - Anderson Holden Special?
#12 - Fiat 1100 Fona 1949?
#17 - is this a Webster?
#14 - Porsche engined?
Quote from: woodinsight on October 24, 2010, 05:35:56 AM
#14 - Porsche engined?
No.
Now you should recognize, that there's something strange about this car...and that's not only the name...
OK thanks - I'll bear that in mind......
Is #13 Australian?
#1 - Italian?
It looks almost like a miniature sized replica of a Ferrari 250GTO!
#4 - South American?
#17 - American?
#19 - from USA?
Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes, but #8 is an early Puma GT body, presumably based on FNM running gear?
#3 seems to be NSU Prinz-based, I'm guessing from the USA?
Quote from: woodinsight on October 29, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
#1 - Italian?
It looks almost like a miniature sized replica of a Ferrari 250GTO!
It's not Italian and it's not a Ferrari.
Quote from: woodinsight on October 29, 2010, 02:48:15 PM
#4 - South American?
Not from South America.
Quote from: woodinsight on October 29, 2010, 02:49:48 PM
#17 - American?
Yes!
Quote from: barrett on October 29, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
#3 seems to be NSU Prinz-based, I'm guessing from the USA?
Definetely NSU Prinz-based, but not from the US of A.
Quote from: barrett on October 29, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes, but #8 is an early Puma GT body, presumably based on FNM running gear?
#3 seems to be NSU Prinz-based, I'm guessing from the USA?
I've not given permission for two questions per post, so I picked the second one.. ;)
#18 - anything to do with Howmet? I doubt it but it's worth asking......
Quote from: woodinsight on October 31, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
#18 - anything to do with Howmet? I doubt it but it's worth asking......
No, it hasn't, I'm afraid.
Going back to my question regarding #19 - is it American?
#4 - French?
Quote from: woodinsight on November 05, 2010, 02:37:02 AM
Going back to my question regarding #19 - is it American?
Sorry I missed that. It is from the USA.
Maybe you should ask about #17 a little more precisely...
Quote from: woodinsight on November 05, 2010, 02:37:42 AM
#4 - French?
No, it's not.
After one month this goes to Professionals.
#8 - I think this is an FNM with a Brazilian Alfa 2300 engine
#17 - from North America?
Quote from: woodinsight on November 09, 2010, 12:37:54 PM
#8 - I think this is an FNM with a Brazilian Alfa 2300 engine
We already figured out that it's something like that, but it has a certain name!
Quote from: Allemano on November 09, 2010, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on November 09, 2010, 12:37:54 PM
#8 - I think this is an FNM with a Brazilian Alfa 2300 engine
We already figured out that it's something like that, but it has a certain name!
Alfazoni ;D
Quote from: João on November 09, 2010, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Allemano on November 09, 2010, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on November 09, 2010, 12:37:54 PM
#8 - I think this is an FNM with a Brazilian Alfa 2300 engine
We already figured out that it's something like that, but it has a certain name!
Alfazoni ;D
João steals the point!
Well done Joao - I had no idea it had a special name
#17 - Mirage-VW 1969 (formerly Geraldes Special)
Quote from: woodinsight on November 09, 2010, 02:33:27 PM
#17 - Mirage-VW 1969 (formerly Geraldes Special)
Yes! Well done!
3 - Huambo NSU Special driven by Amadeu Inácio in 1973
#1 - Cegga AC Ace
#7 - Lombardo
#10 - Veeteor
#18 - Milli - Volkswagen
#4 - JSK
The rest is still to find :)
Quote from: faksta on November 09, 2010, 06:29:34 PM
#1 - Cegga AC Ace
#7 - Lombardo
#10 - Veeteor
#18 - Milli - Volkswagen
Quote from: faksta on November 09, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
#4 - JSK
The rest is still to find :)
All correct, though it would be nice to get a little more of the bold printed... :-\
Locked for you till your next reply.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 09, 2010, 06:25:22 PM
3 - Huambo NSU Special driven by Amadeu Inácio in 1973
That was hard! Well done!
Lombardo was a Fiat 1100 based car from Italy, Veeteor is an Australian thing powered by Chevy V8. JSK was a Czechoslovak sportscar, used in many hillclimbs in 1970s and, probably, 1980s.
Quote from: faksta on November 10, 2010, 08:38:25 AM
Lombardo was a Fiat 1100 based car from Italy, Veeteor is an Australian thing powered by Chevy V8. JSK was a Czechoslovak sportscar, used in many hillclimbs in 1970s and, probably, 1980s.
The Veeteor isn't competely solved, yet.
I add the others to the list now! :)
BTW: I had the JSK as "Spider JSK", but however I was generous on this.. ;D
(It appearantly is a coupé ???)
I think it is like featuring this year's F1 car as 'Formula 1 Ferrari' :)
A-ha! (http://www.mysmilie.de/midi-smileys/boese/1/0004.gif) (http://www.mysmilie.de/)
but the Veeteor isn't still finished yet ;)
#5 - Lenkin GP, from Belgium
Quote from: Ehhxekt on November 10, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
#5 - Lenkin GP, from Belgium
Did you ever post for nothing? ;)
Correct of course! :)
Yep, I called Veeteor Australian, although it is apparently British:
QuoteVeeteor Cars Ltd was founded in 2008 by Chris Jenkins.
As an avid Sylva Sportscars and Chevrolet V8 enthusiast, he decided to build up a modern day take on the age old idea of combining a small light chassis with a powerful V8 engine, for his own racing and enjoyment.
A fan of all kinds of motorsport, Chris wanted a car that could lay claim to being a true 'Triple Threat' - that is, a car capable of taking on the fastest road legal cars in the world in a contest of acceleration, top speed or around a circuit, while remaining road legal. The idea behind this was to produce a single car that can be driven to and eligible for almost any motorsports discipline and be competitive, whilst keeping purchase and running costs down by using the very best parts readily available. This will mean that whether it's a sprint, hillclimb, drag race, circuit race, track day, top speed event, or just a weekend cruise to the pub, the Veeteor LS/R is guaranteed to put a smile on your face.
The project has been professionally developed using racing know-how over the past 3 years and we'd be very glad to hear from those interested in comissioning their own example of this exciting all-round, road-legal, sports-racing car. Although the car is designed to use Chevrolet LSx engines, we can accomodate other V8 engines such as the Ford / Jaguar Modular V8 upon request.
9Apr2009 - Veeteor Cars Ltd are pleased to announce that we have been appointed as agent for Nitron Shock Absorbers in South West England. Nitron manufacture top quality shock absorbers in fast road, track day and full race specification for all makes of cars and motorbikes. Please click on the link to our Catalogue A-Z list to see the full range of products that we are able to supply.
© Veeteor Cars Ltd - Registered in the UK 6685785
Quote from: faksta on November 11, 2010, 02:32:11 AMA fan of all kinds of motorsport, Chris wanted a car that could lay claim to being a true 'Triple Threat' - that is, a car capable of taking on the fastest road legal cars in the world in a contest of acceleration, top speed or around a circuit, while remaining road legal. The idea behind this was to produce a single car that can be driven to and eligible for almost any motorsports discipline and be competitive, whilst keeping purchase and running costs down by using the very best parts readily available. This will mean that whether it's a sprint, hillclimb, drag race, circuit race, track day, top speed event, or just a weekend cruise to the pub, the Veeteor LS/R is guaranteed to put a smile on your face.
That's what I was waiting for! :)
Ah...I've forgotten it has had a model name as well :P
#19 - Coral Special 1964
It was originally based on VW/Porsche mechanicals and had a Lycoming flat-four aircraft engine.
This was later replaced by a 1700cc Porsche Carrera engine.
Quote from: woodinsight on November 11, 2010, 04:56:09 AM
#19 - Coral Special 1964
It was originally based on VW/Porsche mechanicals and had a Lycoming flat-four aircraft engine.
This was later replaced by a 1700cc Porsche Carrera engine.
:nod:
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/88433190.jpg)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/33ba3ed6.jpg)
#13 - Wally Russell's Nedloh at Carter 1966
Quote from: woodinsight on November 13, 2010, 05:40:25 AM
#13 - Wally Russell's Nedloh at Carter 1966
That's the one!
obviousely ... after I checked the source again it seems it's not definitely clarified, but however I have it listed as that.
I'm still carrying out research on the two Nedlohs.
I think this is the second one and I'm still trying to find another source of information.
#9 is a Katipo MJ70A
#14 - the Porsche badge on the nose fooled me.
Something strange about this car you say......haven't pinned that down yet and the racing number doesn't point to the car competing in International races.
Anyway, is it American?
Quote from: woodinsight on November 18, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
#14 - the Porsche badge on the nose fooled me.
Something strange about this car you say......haven't pinned that down yet and the racing number doesn't point to the car competing in International races.
Anyway, is it American?
No, it's not American..
Okay thanks, just trying to narrow it down - European?
Neither European..
Sorry for jumping in, but is it maybe one of those Japanese scaled down replicas for their local racing series?
Quote from: faksta on November 18, 2010, 01:37:23 PM
Sorry for jumping in, but is it maybe one of those Japanese scaled down replicas for their local racing series?
I presume you're at least on the right trail...
The car is for K4GP? The builder is maybe Madhouse? It's hard to read Japanese...
If you find a picture of the car you'll know its name immediately..
Anyway: K4 is correct mate! And the builder... well, it's none of the mentioned, but known here on this place...
908J-CVT is its name, by Watanabe seemingly.
Ah..see above, I have modified the message :)
P.S. Suzuki Cervo 550cc engine...
even that is not enough, even though undoubtly you've got the right car!
....locked for faksta of course!
It reads 'Porshce' on its side... Used by Team J-II.
Right! 'Porshce' is the word I was waiting for! (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/Gifs/h.gif)
(http://www.rs-watanabe.co.jp/images/underpage/j2/IMG_0212.JPG)
indeed a shrunk Porsche 908:
(http://www.rs-watanabe.co.jp/images/underpage/j2/IMG_0254.JPG)
About the others, #2 is clearly a Formula Vee with a closed cockpit, while #20 seems like F5000. Suspect both could be American, but can't find them yet.
Both are American and #02 is a Formula V, but #20 isn't a F5000 car.
Formula B?
Indeed, now I see it doesn't look as mighty as F5000 should have looked.
actually it should had been raced somewhere else..
#13 - this is how the Nedloh appeared 10 years later in 1976.
Note the alterations - in particular the re-routing of the exhaust system
Quote from: Allemano on November 18, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
actually it should had been raced somewhere else..
That is, in another country?
#2 - Australian?
Not an Aussie!
#2 - I think this was at one time raced by Bill Bowman and I'm not sure if he built it too.
Quote from: woodinsight on November 23, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
#2 - I think this was at one time raced by Bill Bowman and I'm not sure if he built it too.
This one was the car of another Bill, so, you guessed at least the right forename! :)
#2 - Lazer Formula Vee?
#20 - Formula Atlantic?
Please be a little patient. Temporarily I've no access to my archive. Will check it tomorrow, but if I remember correctly it's a "no" to both.
Quote from: woodinsight on November 28, 2010, 02:34:29 PM
#2 - Lazer Formula Vee?
It's not the name I have.
Quote from: woodinsight on November 28, 2010, 03:33:43 PM
#20 - Formula Atlantic?
According to my source it's an unsuccessful attempt for a particular race series, but not Formular Atlantic.
another guess for #2 - Wheeler?
I found a very similar car on the web but with no name unfortunately.
Still searching........
#02 is not a Wheeler.
I have two more guesses for #2 - Quasar?
come up with your second... ;D
as it's not a Quasar.
will give a clue if your second guess is wrong either .
I've found a Vee built upon the same idea of high windscreen and side panels, and it is called Viper. Looks different, but maybe it is another evolution? I'd try.
It's called after an animal, but not after a snake.
I'm a clue:
Lynx?
Close, but no cigar..
I wasn't aware that there is a very similar car named after a similar species... :o
And also raced by some Bill ;)
Astonishing, isn't it?
It's a Caracal D from 1981! I thought it was a mere ten years younger...
Sorry woodinsight in case you've also found it with this hint.
Oh, and looks like it won a 1982 championship with Bill Noble at the wheel.
Owned/driven by Bill Noble!
Right you are faksta!
Now with that #20... is it Formula B?
No problem - well done Faksta!
I was going to add that the photo I posted was not the Lynx - merely that it was a similar car that I found that i didn't know the name of.
Exactly - #20 - what formula was this destined to race in?
The search is on.......
no.
:doh: I have already asked that.
'Somewhere else' may also mean 'not in circuit racing', or not?
Quote from: woodinsight on November 30, 2010, 01:52:23 PM
No problem - well done Faksta!
I was going to add that the photo I posted was not the Lynx - merely that it was a similar car that I found that i didn't know the name of.
quite tricky!
Quote from: faksta on November 30, 2010, 01:55:57 PM
:doh: I have already asked that.
'Somewhere else' may also mean 'not in circuit racing', or not?
This car is related to a race track which is not circular, at all..
Ping! Ping!
You mean a non-oval circuit?
Or a dragstrip hillclimb?
Quote from: woodinsight on November 30, 2010, 02:03:47 PM
You mean a non-oval circuit?
Yes and I gave clue what it looks like.
Not a hillclimb track
Autocross? In American meaning of this word...
Ping? Ping? - doesn't quite ring a bell!
Just a little joke......
Quote from: faksta on November 30, 2010, 02:13:41 PM
Autocross? In American meaning of this word...
:shakehead:
It is/was used for different competition series.
Quote from: woodinsight on November 30, 2010, 02:17:48 PM
Ping? Ping? - doesn't quite ring a bell!
Just a little joke......
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/triangle-6-inch-quality.jpg)
Tramplin hopping? :shiner:
Triangular circuit?
Seriously?
Did I ever make jokes?
My first thought would be Daytona International Speedway - a sort of tri-oval
Not Daytona and very much more like a triangle.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/pocono_aerial.gif)
Okay thanks - thinking caps on........
Dakota Raceway?
No.
Hanford?
Quote from: faksta on November 30, 2010, 03:26:37 PM
Hanford?
No.
The series for which car #20 was built does not take place there anymore..
I don't recognise the track you posted - maybe in use for NASCAR nowadays?
This doesn't really help that much in identifying the car though.
Will keep searching as always.....
Quote from: woodinsight on November 30, 2010, 03:56:55 PM
I don't recognise the track you posted - maybe in use for NASCAR nowadays?
This doesn't really help that much in identifying the car though.
Will keep searching as always.....
Yes, it's still a NASCAR raceway.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/Aerial_.jpg)
Pocono?
I checked, but unfortunately it's still not enough to google the car.
But there's hope: it appears on the first results if you search two names, well known in USAmerican racing. ;)
Found another picture
What I've found is that #20 is a March Cosworth entered by Kraco Enterprises (Electrolux/Kraco Stereo sponsors) and driven by Michael Andretti at Pocono Raceway in the 1984 Domino's Pizza 500.
He retired with engine problems.
That doesn't fit the infos I have and you're about 10 years too late.
If no one minds, I'd finish it. It is a Gebhardt - Offy from 1975 as driven by Mike Hiss, but failed to qualify.
P.S. But why you said it was not a circuit racing? ::)
Okay - I thought it was a bit too old for the year.
I'm more of a sports racing specialist and single seaters are sometimes difficult for me to identify.
Anyway, well done Faksta. That should tie up an interesting and enjoyable group puzzle.
Quote from: faksta on December 01, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
If no one minds, I'd finish it. It is a Gebhardt - Offy from 1975 as driven by Mike Hiss, but failed to qualify.
P.S. But why you said it was not a circuit racing? ::)
Oh how I missed that roll-eye button..
Faksta, it was kind of a joke, due to it's triangular shape. Of course it is a circuit and strictly speaking I never did object:
Quote from: Allemano on November 30, 2010, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: faksta on November 30, 2010, 01:55:57 PM
(...) Somewhere else' may also mean 'not in circuit racing', or not?
This car is related to a race track which is not circular, at all..(...)
By the way: the name "Gebhardt" is wrong.
Quote from: woodinsight on December 01, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Okay - I thought it was a bit too old for the year.
I'm more of a sports racing specialist and single seaters are sometimes difficult for me to identify.
Anyway, well done Faksta. That should tie up an interesting and enjoyable group puzzle.
I'm glad you liked it! :)
Gebhardt is wrong because it is a Gerhardt :P
Right!
Well done gentlemen!
So, after seven interisting pages I can lay this to rest.
Results and tally is following soon!
Quote from: Allemano on October 11, 2010, 08:56:22 AM
Results:
#01 Cegga AC Ace (faksta)
#02 Caracal D (faksta)
#03 Huambo NSU by Amadeu Inácio from Angola (Paul Jaray)
#04 Spider JSK from Czechoslovakia (faksta)
#05 Lenkin GP (Ehhxekt)
#06 Momo 2000 Opel Conrero (woodinsight)
#07 Fiat 1100 Lombardo (faksta)
#08 Alfazoni (João)
#09 Katipo MJ70A (faksta)
#10 Veeteor LS/R (faksta)
#11 Hrubon 1300 Gordini 1968 (woodinsight)
#12 Fiat 1100 Fona 1949 (woodinsight)
#13 Wally Russell's Nedloh (woodinsight)
#14 PORSHCE ９０８Ｊ－ＣＶＴ (faksta)
#15 Barqueta Competicion Suzuki 1000 (Oguerrerob)
#16 (John) Bolster Special (woodinsight)
#17 Mirage-VW from 1969 aka the Geraldes Special (woodinsight)
#18 Mili VW (faksta)
#19 Coral Special 1964 (woodinsight)
#20 Mike Hiss' Gerhardt Offy Indy racer 1975 (faksta)
The scorefaksta: 9 points
woodinsight: 7 points
Oguerrerob, Joao, Paul Jaray, Ehhxekt: 1 point each