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Title: Solved by Tom_I, Joao, guido66, yves, woodinsight: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 12, 2010, 06:58:37 AM
During the history of the car, there were a lot of companies which built both two- and four-wheelers. A visit to the German Two-Wheeler and NSU Museum in Germany got me thinking about this puzzle.

There are twelve cars and twelve motorcycles. Two points are being offered for the correct pairing. In case of motorcycles, I am happy with just the brand name, but you have to identify at least the model of the cars too. Beware, identifying either the car or the motorcycle is not worth a point. Only the correct pairing and identifying both results in points. I think some of the cars are ridiculously easy, that's why I set the rules so, but I am happy to listen to other opinions.

I hope you will enjoy this group puzzle :)!

First the cars
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 12, 2010, 07:10:38 AM
And now, the motorcycles
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2010, 02:40:18 AM
Rookies were not interested in this puzzle. So how about our Experts?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Tom_I on September 18, 2010, 10:02:21 AM
I am truly hopeless when it comes to identifying motorcycles, but there's one here that even I can recognise. That's motorcycle #12, the Honda 50, or C100, or Super Cub, or whatever you like to call it. With over 60 million produced, it's reputedly the world's best-selling powered vehicle.

This pairs with car #11, the Honda Quintet (1980-85).
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Tom_I on September 18, 2010, 10:25:45 AM
And maybe I'll try another one. Car #1 is a BSA 10hp Special Saloon (1933-36).

Although I've never owned a motorcycle, as a teenager I did once think about buying a BSA Bantam, and that's motorcycle #4. I'm pretty sure the one shown is a D3 Bantam Major from about 1953.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 18, 2010, 11:08:04 AM
Both are correct.

Let's see!
Car No1 - BSA 10 hp Special Saloon (1933-36) pairs with Motorcycle No4 - Tom_I
Car No2 - Monet-Goyon Cyclecar Type VM2, 1925 pairs with Motorcycle No6 - Joao
Car No3 - Peugeot 177B Torpédo, 1925 pairs with Motorcycle No7 - Joao
Car No4 - Cyklonette 6hp of 1912 pairs with Motorcycle No8 Tom_I
Car No5 -  Maximag 10hp "Grand Sport" pairs with Motorcycle No 9 Tom_I
Car No6: Adler Trumpf, 1931 pairs with motorcycle No 10 - woodinsight
Car No7: Sunbeam 20/60 Tourer, 1923-1926 pairs with motorcycle No 11 - Joao
Car No8 - Hoffmann Autokabine pairs with motorcycle No2 - Tom_I
Car No9 - DKW F5 pairs with motorcycle No3 - yves
Car No10: NSU 8/15 PS pairs with motorcycle No1 - guido66
Car No11: Honda Quintet (1980-1985) pairs with Motorcycle No12 (Honda C100) - Tom_I
Car No12: Opel 10/12 HP, 1902 pairs with Motorcycle No5 - guido66

Motorcycle No1: NSU 1929
Motorcycle No2: Hoffmann Governeur
Motorcycle No3: DKW Hummel 155, 1965
Motorcycle No4: BSA D3 Bantam Major, 1954
Motorcycle No5: Opel Motoclub, 1928
Motorcycle No6: Monet-Goyon S2
Motorcycle No7: Peugeot 102 Moped
Motorcycle No8: Cyklon, 1900
Motorcycle No9: Motosacoche, 1909
Motorcycle No10: Adler Favorit M250, 1950s
Motorcycle No11: Sunbeam High Cam B25 500cc, 1939
Motorcycle No12: Honda C100

Tom_I: 10 points
Joao: 6 points
guido66: 4 points
woodinsight, yves: 2-2 points
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: yves on September 18, 2010, 03:09:57 PM
Car #9 : DKW F7 Cabriolet

Motorcycle #3 : DKW Hummel
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
Almost correct. It's not an F7, but locked for you to find the correct model name.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: yves on September 19, 2010, 04:55:40 AM
DKW F5 ?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 19, 2010, 09:40:12 AM
Yes, that's the one
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2010, 02:13:41 PM
Car no. 8 - BMW Isetta (1955-1962)
    twins with
Motorcycle No. 2 - BMW R51? 1938
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Tom_I on September 19, 2010, 03:03:14 PM
Ah, but car #8 is not an Isetta - it's got a door on the right-hand side!

It's a Hoffmann Auto-Kabine 250, produced in Ratingen, Germany, between September 1954 and February 1955. Hoffmann sought a licence from Iso in Italy to produce the car, but were successfully sued by BMW, who were already licensed to make the Isetta in Germany.

This pairs with motorcycle #2, which I think is a Hoffmann Gouverneur 250-cc flat twin.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2010, 03:32:14 PM
Very good Tom_I
I find it difficult to identify motorcycles and pre-1930 cars but I should have looked more closely at the Auto-Kabine.
It's all good for the brain cells though!

However, I'm going to have another go -

Car no. 12 - Dufaux 40hp Tourer 1906
                   twins with
Motorcycle no. 9 - Dufaux Motosacoche single cylinder (early 1900s)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 20, 2010, 02:08:23 AM
Tom_I: you are right with the pairing of the Hoffmann Autokabine and the motorcycle.

woodinsight: yes, the motorcycle is a Motosacoche, but we don't have a Dufaux in this puzzle
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Tom_I on September 20, 2010, 09:10:56 AM
Well done, Pal. I was completely misled by car #4, which I was convinced was a Phänomobil. I spent ages trying to work out what model it was, until a comment in an article made me realise that it's not one of those at all. :-\

It's a Cyklonette 6hp of 1912, made by the Cyklon Maschinenfabrik of Berlin.

The Cyklon motorcycle is #8, from about 1900, also with the engine mounted above the front wheel.





You learn something new every day at Autopuzzles! ;D
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 20, 2010, 10:13:21 AM
 8) Indeed, we learn a lot here. Another pair is solved
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Tom_I on September 21, 2010, 02:22:28 PM
I have a pairing for the Motosacoche (motorcycle No 9). Apologies to Woodinsight for stealing it, but I can add that it's a 1.25 hp model from 1909.

As well as motorcycles, Motosacoche of Geneva also made M.A.G. engines, and in the 1920s produced a range of small cars under the name Maximag. Though it sounds a bit unlikely, car No 5 is a Maximag 10hp "Grand Sport" from 1924.

And here's the evidence to support it. :)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 21, 2010, 02:56:53 PM
Perfect!
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: woodinsight on September 21, 2010, 03:00:32 PM
Tom_I - no need for apologies and congratulations for solving it.
I'm no expert in this area so good luck - you can probably solve them all!
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Tom_I on September 21, 2010, 03:31:26 PM
Thanks, but I very much doubt that! This has been a journey into the unknown for me, as I know very little about motorcycles. I just find these puzzles highly addictive. :)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 26, 2010, 08:33:31 AM
Professionals, your time has come
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 26, 2010, 08:43:10 AM
car12: Opel 10/12 PS 1902
bike5: Opel Motoclub 1928 (designed by Ernst Neumann-Neander)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 26, 2010, 09:08:03 AM
And another one is solved
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: João on September 26, 2010, 05:03:58 PM
Number #7 : It´s a 1923-26 Sunbeam 20/60 Tourer with motorcycle #11 :1939 Sunbeam High Cam B25 500cc.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 26, 2010, 10:47:42 PM
Yep
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: João on September 27, 2010, 01:17:12 PM
Car Number #2 : 1925 Monet-Goyon Cyclecar Torpedo 350cc type VM2 4 HP
Motorcycle Number #6 : Monet-Goyon S2 100cc
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 29, 2010, 02:07:27 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 29, 2010, 02:17:42 PM
Is moped #7 Italian?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 29, 2010, 02:50:03 PM
All three remaining car companies are (were) mainstream manufacturers. None of them hails from Italy.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 29, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
The headlight of bike #1 looks very German too me. Is it a German Triumph?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 29, 2010, 04:39:17 PM
car #3 NSU 6/30 ps 1928?
bike #1 NSU 201T 1929?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Allan L on September 29, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: João on September 26, 2010, 05:03:58 PM
Number #7 : It´s a 1923-26 Sunbeam 20/60 Tourer with motorcycle #11 :1939 Sunbeam High Cam B25 500cc.
There was not much connection between the Sunbeam Motor Co. in 1923-6 (part of the S-T-D combine) and the  post-1937 (AMC-owned) Sunbeam Motorcycles.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 29, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
Is moped #7 French?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 30, 2010, 12:14:27 AM
Let's see:
Motorcycle No1 is an NSU, but you picked the wrong car.
Moped No7 is French

And I am sorry that I chose the wrong Sunbeam motorcycle.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: João on September 30, 2010, 12:47:39 AM
Car number #3 : 1925 Peugeot 177B Torpédo
Motorcycle number #7 : Peugeot 103 Moped  ?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 30, 2010, 04:15:27 AM
Accepted, though it is a Peugeot 102 moped :)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 30, 2010, 12:23:54 PM
Then surely car #10 must be a NSU 6/8 PS?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 30, 2010, 01:34:00 PM
I accept it, though it is a NSU 8/15 PS - but you get the point.

Only one to go!!!
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: João on September 30, 2010, 01:48:59 PM
Thanks  :)
Car number #6 : 1934 Jawa Minor?
Motorcycle number #10 : 1952 Jawa Model 15 500cc?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 30, 2010, 01:52:51 PM
Nope
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: woodinsight on September 30, 2010, 02:31:17 PM
Car #6 and motorcycle #10 are Bianchi?
Don't know which models they are at the moment.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 30, 2010, 02:46:44 PM
Nope
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on September 30, 2010, 03:40:10 PM
Is the remaining pair German?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Allemano on September 30, 2010, 03:49:44 PM
The missing pair: Wanderer Puch?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on September 30, 2010, 10:11:55 PM
Yes, the missing pair is German, so it is not a Puch (or Wanderer for that matter)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: woodinsight on October 01, 2010, 01:26:00 AM
Could this last pair be Adlers?
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: guido66 on October 01, 2010, 03:12:47 AM
The car looks like a Hanomag to me, but I don't think they ever made a bike ???
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: Allemano on October 01, 2010, 03:13:36 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on October 01, 2010, 01:26:00 AM
Could this last pair be Adlers?
It could....! I guess pnegyesi would give you a lock for this, so, no more guesses from me... ;)
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on October 01, 2010, 03:14:54 AM
woodinsight is right, these are Adlers! And yes, it is a lock for 24 hours - thanks Allemano
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: woodinsight on October 01, 2010, 05:59:37 AM
Okay, thanks Allemano.
Car no.6 I think is an Adler Trumpf 2-door saloon of 1931/33 and motorcycle no. 10 is an Adler Favorit M250 of the mid-1950s.
Title: Re: PN #114 - Cars&motorcycles No1
Post by: pnegyesi on October 01, 2010, 06:08:01 AM
And yes, it's correct! Thank you gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed this puzzle!