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Title: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 07, 2009, 07:40:35 AM
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Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 11, 2009, 04:37:55 AM
Experts!
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: gilescooperuk on May 11, 2009, 03:50:47 PM
I think this is one of the prototype Frisky cars.... possibly called "The Bug"
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 11, 2009, 03:58:10 PM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2009, 03:53:06 AM
Profs!
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Quiller on May 14, 2009, 04:44:57 PM
Darn... I know the country it was made in...and the year it was made...but I can't find its name...
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2009, 04:46:21 PM
This is what I know too, plus a relevant detail on the maker...
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 14, 2009, 04:50:02 PM
Dutch?
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2009, 04:55:05 PM
Nope...
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Quiller on May 14, 2009, 05:59:08 PM
Well it's from Hungary circa 1960. If it's not by Balaton or Gitta, sadly I've got nothing further to add...
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2009, 06:01:46 PM
All correct, so far, and in the same source there is something on his maker....
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 14, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
Made by Kalman Szabadi or Jozsef Zappel by any chance?
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 14, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
Hungarian microcars of that period are terribly interesting...they were all connected together and I really do not know if these are the men behind. I can't find any connection between Szabadi and this car and there's a thin link with Zappel, but can't tell you more!
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 15, 2009, 02:19:30 AM
I have been informed that the name for this car is Pajtás (Buddy). Unfortunately, no more information is available and I still can't find anything decent about it. If there is anything more known about this car (especially name of the creator), please don't hesitate to share.
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 15, 2009, 08:17:30 AM
I'll post everything I know, 1 point goes to Quiller, because he found all the info I had,  and the other one will go to you Arunas, if you can give some more detail.
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 15, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on May 15, 2009, 08:17:30 AM
I'll post everything I know, 1 point goes to Quiller, because he found all the info I had,  and the other one will go to you Arunas, if you can give some more detail.

Give me some time ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 15, 2009, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: Arunas on May 15, 2009, 02:19:30 AM
I have been informed that the name for this car is Pajtás (Buddy).

If your source can match this car with the 'aircraft manufacturer' definition given in the short text, probably it will be done. I'm afraid it can be him:
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 15, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
This will explain:
Székesfehervár Engine Repair Co. can be the 'airplane manufacturer' firm.

"In 1955 the Ministry comissioned three engineers: Ernô Rubik, the father of the inventor of the Rubik-cube, himself a very talented engineer, Pál Kerekes and Géza Bengyel to start the work on microcars at the Székesfehervári Motorjav¡t¢ V llalat (Székesfehervár Engine Repair Co. Székesfehervár is a city near the capital).
This firm repaired airplanes. Their employes were all gifted in their field. So when the airplane business would have to be shut down, they looked for new activities. They were good in aluminium so any kind of goods made from aluminium counted: from a parabolic antenna through cheese-tub to microcars. One of their engineers, József Horv th already played with the idea of building himself a car. So he brought his plans to the factory and there they started to build the car. József Zappel, another engineer also fancied the idea of a bubble-car so, he too, did some drafts. "

and

"The Úttörô [Pioneer] was one of the best publicised privately-built microcar. It was designed by János Schadek in Debrecen, east Hungary in 1954. He was a mechanical engineer. While studying at the University he built his first touring car between 1922 and 1927 and in 1930 a Morgan-like tricar. Then he took over the wire-making factory of his father-in-law. After the War he tried to avoid nationalization, but he couldn't and eventually all the small factories of Debrecen were united into the Locksmith and Iron-founder Company. Schadek became the chief engineer.
He decided to design a two-seater small car. He had some conversations with two locksmiths János Puskás and István Schwanner. Both of them had repaired and assembled airplanes previously. The three experienced men built the Úttörô from scratch. "
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 15, 2009, 09:07:38 AM
The name of the car has been provided by Mr. Pal Negyesi. Unfortunately, he can't tell me anything more about this car.

I have sent him a full page of that magazine and am waiting for permission to post the picture of this car he sent me.

Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 16, 2009, 11:10:36 AM
With kind permission of Pal Negyesi:

Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 16, 2009, 11:15:35 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
Well done pal...and thanks to Pal.
Title: Re: PJ - 105
Post by: Arunas on May 16, 2009, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on May 16, 2009, 11:15:35 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
Well done pal...and thanks to Pal.

Indeed! And very cool puzzle!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Ray B. on May 16, 2009, 11:20:05 AM
Thanks, Arunas, great picture!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Arunas on May 16, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: Ray B. on May 16, 2009, 11:20:05 AM
Thanks, Arunas, great picture!

Yes it is! But not mine ;)
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 19, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
Unbelievable!
I was looking into some old issues of Quattroruote (1960) for some pictures of a Moretti and I saw this car! It is a short article, with no name and only a reference to his engine, a 250cc in the back. The picture is a better version of the one I posted.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Arunas on May 19, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on May 19, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
Unbelievable!
I was looking into some old issues of Quattroruote (1960) for some pictures of a Moretti and I saw this car! It is a short article, with no name and only a reference to his engine, a 250cc in the back. The picture is a better version of the one I posted.

Question: where did You get such old magazines from?
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Paul Jaray on May 19, 2009, 03:34:12 PM
My bookshelves...  ;D

Seriously, I started buying them in 1994 (when I was at school) and bought all the others during the following years.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: pnegyesi on September 24, 2009, 07:05:46 AM
Just a tidbit: Pajtás is in no way connected to the microcars made in Székesfehérvár in 1955 or at least I haven't found a connection yet. And I also have to find the background of the Pajtás - one of the many microcars made in Hungary during that era.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: DynaMike on September 25, 2009, 04:50:59 AM
The first picture, though with a different background...) is published in the very interesting book 'Voitures des Pays de l'Est' by Bernard Vermeylen, who is the outstanding authority in knowledge about Panhard and cars from Eastern Europe, especially Tatra. (I kno, I should write a review about this book  ;) )
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: pnegyesi on September 26, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
Bernard is a very kind and gentle guy. And Voitues des Pays de l'Est is a great book with some very nice Russian prototypes...
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Allemano on December 20, 2010, 01:29:13 AM
It's also available in other languages..
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Arunas on December 20, 2010, 01:41:56 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 26, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
... is a great book with some very nice Russian prototypes...

which ones? :)
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 08, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
Another view:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: pnegyesi on February 08, 2013, 03:02:54 PM
Nice. But I still don't know a thing about its builders
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Gentlemen, this interesting microcar was created in 1959 by Pál Fodor, an engineer who worked at the Ministry of Heavy Industries and Ferenc Ádám. It was labelled as a "Pannonia motorcycle with closed cabin" and was named Pajtás.
It was a three-wheeler based on a Pannonia motorcycle. The front fork was removed and the cabin was bolted on, with a few screws and shackles. It had a max speed of 75-80 km/h

The article I found today mentioned the possibility of serial production, which never happened.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 09, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
Finally! Thank you!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ105- Pajtas microcar 1960s
Post by: pnegyesi on September 08, 2019, 02:13:22 AM
Another, later picture with a modified front end