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Title: Solved -PJ193- Louis Schoon's Prototype
Post by: Paul Jaray on July 29, 2009, 04:31:50 PM
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Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: shamrock on July 29, 2009, 05:55:04 PM
a TVR prototype ?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on July 29, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Not so easy...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 11, 2009, 10:32:31 AM
This car was a personal project of a man involved in another company. Look for this company and you'll find this.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on October 11, 2009, 10:34:04 AM
looking at the wheels... is it German?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 11, 2009, 10:38:14 AM
Not German.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on October 11, 2009, 10:40:38 AM
let's widen a bit... European?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 11, 2009, 10:52:15 AM
Yes... and not italian.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on October 11, 2009, 10:58:32 AM
British?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 11, 2009, 11:02:40 AM
Not British or Spanish...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on October 11, 2009, 11:03:19 AM
French..?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 11, 2009, 11:28:05 AM
Oui!
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: P132 on October 12, 2009, 02:03:41 PM
Hello. Can it be a Monica prototype?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 12, 2009, 02:10:41 PM
Wellcome to Autopuzzles P132!
not a Monica...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on October 12, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
from the nineties?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 12, 2009, 02:22:29 PM
Not from the 90s...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on October 12, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
earlier?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 12, 2009, 02:42:43 PM
 :nod:
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 12, 2009, 08:42:45 AM
time for another view:
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on November 12, 2009, 09:00:49 AM
ever finished?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 12, 2009, 09:06:50 AM
not completely, I suppose.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on November 12, 2009, 09:08:31 AM
Renault?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 12, 2009, 09:14:46 AM
Not Renault or any known builder.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on November 12, 2009, 09:32:55 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 12, 2009, 09:14:46 AM
Not Renault or any known builder.
Fabulous!
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on November 13, 2009, 06:49:11 AM
Stupid question, but I don't feel ashamed...
some relation to err!....Colani?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 13, 2009, 06:52:45 AM
Nothing to do with him, but you can find him following the story of another company....
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 07, 2010, 06:51:31 AM
Giveaway week:
This french man worked for a well know company, not in the car-business, but not so far.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Djetset on January 07, 2010, 07:19:38 AM
Does it have any connection with Alemeras?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 07, 2010, 07:30:10 AM
Not that I'm aware of...but the other company is a known one...not in the 4-wheel field  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Djetset on January 07, 2010, 10:09:11 AM
MBK Motobecane?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 07, 2010, 10:54:54 AM
Not MBK, but you got the clue right.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Djetset on January 08, 2010, 05:37:20 AM
BFG perhaps?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 08, 2010, 05:43:20 AM
Not BFG...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 07:33:36 AM
This is the project of a man, pilot and constructor, who is connected to a well known brand.
This brand is not a motorcycle constructor, but absolutely close to them.
There are few sites about this brand, and there you'll find this project car.
This brand and this pilot is closely connected with a famous race.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 07:38:23 AM
bicycles?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 07:42:46 AM
Not bicycles...can't be that!  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 07:43:51 AM
Rallye Dakar?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 07:44:53 AM
Not that race...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 07:54:01 AM
It's a supplier for motorcycle parts?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 07:56:58 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 07:42:46 AM
Not bicycles...can't be that! ;)
Yes...the above is a big hint...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 07:58:38 AM
Exhausts? Like Devil?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 08:02:51 AM
Not exhausts...that can't be present on a bicycle.
But why there should be exhausts?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 08:06:54 AM
You've said NO bicycles. I'm a little confused...???
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 08:08:55 AM
In one of the pics there are "Tour de France" posters on the wall...
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 08:12:53 AM
Sorry if I'm not clear.
You are right, they can't be bicycles and your next guess was a solid one.
I don't want you to go through the whole catalog of parts accessoires, that's why I was pointing to the right direction...let's say it should be the main part of the vehicle.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 08:15:29 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 08:12:53 AM
let's say it should be the main part of the vehicle.
engines or wheels? ;D
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 08:23:59 AM
and here's the previous confusing reply...no need to have an exhaust on a bicycle, cause a bicycle has no-engine.
This man can be found in the few official sites of a well know engine manufacturer...(actually some microcars were equipped with those engines).
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 08:43:39 AM
Still some open questions: (maybe I'm a little dumb today...)
This close related French  brand made engines for motorcycles?
They built engines under their own name or do they mainly modified/tuned engines?
This company is associated to a famous race?


I've found only two well known French motorbike companies... they had been already mentioned
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 08:50:48 AM
I know very little about motorbykes, that's why my clues may be imprecise.

#1: Yes
#2: Under their (well known) name
#3: Each time I google this name it shows up together with the name of a famous race.

You found well known motorbyke companies...this is an engine company.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 09:08:27 AM
Is the company still alive?
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 09:10:38 AM
I do believe it's not...but can't be sure.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 09:19:46 AM
I believe it closed in the 80s.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 09:27:59 AM
Maybe I have a different attitude about famous makes, but I couldn't find anything matching your previous infos.
As I'm stuck and have to leave the PC now, someone else should disclose this mess...  ;D
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 09:33:01 AM
Last clue:
This engine is used in many microcars.

I won't lock this puzzle, since the answer is really there.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 11:09:06 AM
Ydral it is (I have to admit I've never heard about before)!
And this was a 1970 1:5 scaled prototype made by Louis Schoon with support from Fernand Vanhoutte.

The race you've mentioned should be the famous French Bol d'Or.
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
All correct!
I'm sorry, but I've meet the Ydral name a lot of times only in the microcar field (Air Tourist, CM Mochet, Decolon, DS Malterre, France Jet, Galy, Inter, P.Vallee, PB, Poirier, Reyonnah, Rolux,...) that I took for granted that it was a well known firm.
Well done!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ193- Louis Schoon's Prototype
Post by: Allemano on February 10, 2010, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
I'm sorry, but I've meet the Ydral name a lot of times only in the microcar field

I use to forget pretty much of what I've read before, esp. things on which I'm not that much interested in...
So, it's probably my fault and not yours

I've checked some of my books, focused on French microcars and recognized that "Ydral" was quite frequently mentioned.

Title: Re: Solved -PJ193- Louis Schoon's Prototype
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 11:33:55 AM
I'm glad you did it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: PJ - 193
Post by: 75america on February 10, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
I'm sorry, but I've meet the Ydral name a lot of times only in the microcar field (Air Tourist, CM Mochet, Decolon, DS Malterre, France Jet, Galy, Inter, P.Vallee, PB, Poirier, Reyonnah, Rolux,...) that I took for granted that it was a well known firm.

I have a 1957 motorcycle from the very unknown French brand 'Mercier' which has a 125 cc Ydral engine
Title: Re: Solved -PJ193- Louis Schoon's Prototype
Post by: DeAutogids on March 30, 2018, 07:29:46 AM
Series production was planned and a mold was made for the body. It was to have a DAF CVT and a Renault Gordini engine.