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Title: Solved -PJ262- Cesare Augusto Lenti's Spa 8000 diesel 1923-24
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 30, 2009, 12:42:24 PM
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Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: 250gto on October 01, 2009, 06:51:43 AM
Erm... I'm not seeing a pic. Is it just my computer being stupid or is it not there?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 01, 2009, 07:02:55 AM
Sorry...fixed.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 12, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
This car is a sort of milestone...but totally forgotten.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 01, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
With few guesses you can be on the right track...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: pnegyesi on December 02, 2009, 12:58:34 AM
Is this American?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 02, 2009, 01:20:10 AM
Not American...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 03:57:32 PM
This car seems not particular at all, but it was quite unique...
It's from Europe.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 17, 2009, 05:10:18 PM
Does it have a unibody construction?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 05:19:32 PM
It's not in the body...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 17, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
is it in the engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
Yes. Nothing extraordinary (nuclear, hybrid, nanotechnology,...) but the first of this kind reached the market much later.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 17, 2009, 05:38:37 PM
First ohc engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Not that.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 17, 2009, 05:45:08 PM
First diesel powered passenger car?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 17, 2009, 06:01:57 PM
So this predates the 1933 Citroën Rosalie Ricardo Diesel?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
Of about 10 years...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 17, 2009, 06:17:20 PM
1923 Peugeot?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 06:35:25 PM
The year is right (late '23 firsts months of '24) but it's not a Peugeot.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 04:12:32 AM
Is by Richard Hornsby and sons, with an Akroyd-Stuart engine?

It looks a lot like this one:
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 05:20:56 AM
It sure looks like one of those, but it's not, and the engine is not an Akroyd-Stuart one.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allan L on December 18, 2009, 05:51:54 AM
Is that rather rough and ready body original or is it a quick chipboard job to get it back on the road?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 05:58:55 AM
That is a good question:
the body comes from a different vehicle, from a well estabilished (at the time) company.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 07:55:09 AM
Hesselman engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
Not Hesselman engine.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 08:16:14 AM
Benz truck engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 08:17:18 AM
Not Mercedes...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 08:22:18 AM
I edited Mercedes into Benz while you replied..
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 08:30:24 AM
No-Benz there...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 10:07:16 AM
Is it French?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 10:07:53 AM
Another good question:
Not French.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 10:11:32 AM
German?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
Not German...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allan L on December 18, 2009, 11:06:46 AM
Anonima Lombardo F A?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 11:08:20 AM
Not ALFA, but it is Italian!
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allan L on December 18, 2009, 11:28:31 AM
FIAT then?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 11:32:54 AM
Not Fiat, the chassis cames from a long-gone maker, not so obscure but not a major one, active also on the commercial vehicles and this chassis is one of them.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allemano on December 18, 2009, 11:41:47 AM
Looks like the OM Tipo S305 which was actually the last Züst production car
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 12:24:59 PM
Not OM.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 12:48:04 PM
was the engine also made in Italy?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allemano on December 18, 2009, 12:48:57 PM
De Vecchi & CMN ?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
Littorine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Chassis and engine were italian, the chassis from a minor make, the engine from a company not in the car business.
Not De Vecchi or CMN or Littorine.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 03:16:27 PM
Cassani?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 03:36:27 PM
Not Cassani.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 03:41:09 PM
Bubba?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 03:45:07 PM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 18, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
You may have noticed that I'm looking at Italian tractor makers of that period. ;) Should I look elsewhere?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
For sure this make made diesel engines for tractors, I do not know if these tractors were named after them... If i look for that name , I found only pictures of engines...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 05:24:28 AM
Does it have a real diesel engine or a hot bulb (testa calda) engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 09:09:11 AM
It is a 'testa calda' enine.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allemano on December 19, 2009, 09:27:52 AM
engine came from Landini?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 09:33:28 AM
Muzzi?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: neilshouse on December 19, 2009, 09:37:53 AM
Lombardini engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
Not Landini, Muzzi or Lombardini.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 03:59:38 PM
Breda?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 04:17:48 PM
Not Breda..
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 04:19:24 PM
Deganello?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 05:49:54 PM
not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 05:56:08 PM
Garuffa?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 05:57:07 PM
not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 06:31:52 PM
I'll be running out of names soon ;) Ansaldo?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 06:34:30 PM
not Ansaldo..
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 19, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
Last try: Bagnulo?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 19, 2009, 06:56:06 PM
You got it!
This vehicle is powered by an industrial 40 cv Bagnulo 'testa calda' engine.
Now , whou build it and on which chassis?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 26, 2009, 01:41:17 PM
The chassis was italian, and that maker was active in commercials too, but also in cars, only for twenty years, then Fiat took it...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: pnegyesi on December 26, 2009, 01:48:50 PM
OM?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 26, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
Not OM...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 27, 2009, 04:58:21 AM
SCAT?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 27, 2009, 07:03:30 AM
Not SCAT, but not far from that...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on December 28, 2009, 03:42:47 AM
SPA?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 28, 2009, 06:31:57 AM
Yes!
This is a SPA 8000 equipped with a Bagnulo 'testa calda' 40cv engine in 1923-24.
Who did it?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2010, 07:22:04 AM
you know a lot about this...the 1st diesel in Italy, from late '23-'23, made on a SPA8000 chassis, using a 40cv Bagnulo engine..
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Arunas on January 10, 2010, 07:45:55 AM
Rubino?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 10, 2010, 08:29:37 AM
Not Rubino...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 10, 2010, 07:41:38 AM
Black hole I'm coming...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 30, 2010, 08:26:33 AM
Giveaway week:

The name of this man was the same of a very famous man from Rome.
The surname is an italian word for "not fast".
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: pnegyesi on March 30, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Nero Lento :)?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 30, 2010, 11:23:06 AM
Not Nero (but the era is right), 'Lento' (that is singular...) is very close....
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: pnegyesi on March 30, 2010, 10:59:03 PM
Julius Lenti :)?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2010, 02:55:39 AM
Lenti is correct.
Not 'Julius', but 2 names...not very far
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Allan L on March 31, 2010, 02:58:47 AM
Oh, of course it must be Septimus Severus Lenti. ;D
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2010, 03:16:03 AM
None of these names end with an 's'.
One of them was an adjective (Not 'Massimo'), the other was one of the most known at all!
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 31, 2010, 04:51:35 AM
Janus?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2010, 12:36:25 PM
Janus you said?
Considering that there should be 2 names, none of them ending with 's', one of them is an adjective...you are quite close!

Just kidding, no Janus and not close. ;D
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 19, 2010, 12:22:28 PM
...
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2010, 07:04:39 AM
This one is almost solved...just give me the name of the man, that is the same of the well known Roman above (2 names C-A) and I can put this to rest!
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: ftg3plus4 on April 27, 2010, 09:32:51 AM
Caesar Augustus?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2010, 10:17:29 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 31, 2010, 03:16:03 AM
None of these names end with an 's'.
One of them was an adjective (Not 'Massimo'), the other was one of the most known at all!
...but you got it right.
He was not from ancient Rome, of course, then the name should not be in Latin....
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on April 27, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Caesar Augusta?
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2010, 05:02:39 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on April 27, 2010, 05:22:26 PM
Cesare Augusto
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2010, 05:29:52 PM
 :applause: :applause:
Cesare Augusto Lenti was the man behind this SPA 8000 equipped with a modified Bagnulo 'testa calda' 40cv engine in 1923-24, made in the Officine Pietro Collo, in Turin.
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: guido66 on April 27, 2010, 05:31:55 PM
 :drink: This was a tough nut to crack  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 262
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 27, 2010, 05:35:01 PM
I read all 4 pages just to realize that you were the one who got: the engine, the chassis and the builder's name (with a big help by ftg3plus4).
Those are 2 points for the perseverance!
Bravo!
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