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Title: Solved: PN #95 -- Frankonia, cca 1906
Post by: pnegyesi on June 10, 2010, 04:58:01 AM

It's time for some new puzzles!

So, lovers of vintage cars, identify this for a point!

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 22, 2010, 03:43:30 AM

Experts?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 29, 2010, 07:28:39 AM

Professionals?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 29, 2010, 01:22:05 PM

From the USA?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 29, 2010, 02:41:41 PM

Nope

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 29, 2010, 06:45:56 PM

Lancia Alpha 1908-09

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 29, 2010, 11:53:49 PM

Nope

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Arunas on June 30, 2010, 12:50:13 AM

Soviet? Lesner?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 01:16:38 AM

It is not from Soviet Union or Russia

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Arunas on June 30, 2010, 01:20:51 AM

German?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 02:48:03 AM

Yes, it is German and a short-living automobile manufacturer

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 03:18:46 AM

'Short lived' means the company existed less than three years?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 03:23:14 AM

Yes, about that time frame

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 03:24:34 AM

< 1910?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 03:53:24 AM

Yes

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allan L on June 30, 2010, 04:34:37 AM

Gaggenau 35?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 04:48:15 AM

No

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 04:52:05 AM

Changed this company to other products (maybe trucks or motorbikes) after the production of cars ended?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 05:30:59 AM

No, it did not

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Otto Puzzell on June 30, 2010, 05:40:18 AM

The openings (where the doors should be) look like those on a Colibri

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 05:44:51 AM

I found the exact side on a De Dietrich...

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 05:47:42 AM

and on a "Nacke-Wagen"

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 05:55:25 AM

Neither of those, which you listed. I believe this one is quite obscure

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 06:02:01 AM

Alright...there is a still-too-long list...this manufacturer was active before 1910 for 3-years....
From Berlin?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 06:05:02 AM

the passenger department is quite similar, isn't it?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 06:06:20 AM

Okay, first I go for SUN Motorenwerke from Berlin 1906-1908

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 06:07:42 AM

and I'll try Altmann, (1905-1907) Kraftfahrzeug-Werke GmbH, Brandeburg/Havel

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 06:09:08 AM

Yes, the two cars are similar (regarding Nacke). It is not from Berlin or any of the big cities.  It is neither Sun or Altmann

The city where this company resided had only one automobile manufacturer - this one which is the focus of this puzzle.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 06:11:06 AM

Cito?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 06:15:33 AM

Let's make it easier. This one is not listed in the two-volume Beaulieu Encycloped of the Automobile

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 06:17:01 AM

..and in the 3-volume  ;D

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 06:20:47 AM

Did they build only this model?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 06:24:23 AM

Eastern part of Germany (still on German territory today?)

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 06:38:19 AM

I don't have the coachbuilder's volume of the Beaulieu Encyclopedia, but I highly doubt that it appeared in there.

I think this was their only model.

For a while the city belonged to East Germany. Today it is a spa town in Germany.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 06:56:29 AM

situated at the Baltic Sea?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 07:01:44 AM

Nope

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 07:17:59 AM

Then it is not a Colibri, as they made a 2 seater as well.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 07:40:59 AM

Quote from: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 06:15:33 AM

Let's make it easier. This one is not listed in the two-volume Beaulieu Encycloped of the Automobile

I have the 3-volume edition, 4 with the coachbuilder's volume, but I guess it's not there either.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 08:24:25 AM

It not a Colibri

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: DeAutogids.nl on June 30, 2010, 08:27:43 AM

Well, it could not be, as the factory making it made the Selve as well, for example.

You said it only made one marque.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: DeAutogids.nl on June 30, 2010, 08:34:44 AM

Corona?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 08:37:48 AM

It is not a Corona either

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 08:50:29 AM

Braun/Premier from Nurnberg?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 08:52:58 AM

Nürnberg had plenty of car manufacturers... In other words: it is not a Braun or Premier

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 09:31:41 AM

from Thuringia?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 09:46:55 AM

Yes, from the state of Thuringia

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 10:06:27 AM

I have 281 german makes before '45.

 I don't have the Beaulieu Encyclopedia.
You say it's a '10, in Germany, a city that was inside former eastern germany, and now is inside Germany, but not Berlin. Today the city is known for spa. The maker excisted three years or less.

I'm belive I have no chance on this one. In Wismar, there was a make, Podeus, but they excisted to '18.
In Aachen, Scheele was from '99 to '10.
Vogtland is too known, and I'm unsure if they was in east, or west. Also one of my sources tell '10 to '15, and he is German. Other places I read '10 to '13.
The last option I have is Westfalia, but they also excisted over a 5 year periode.
Looking forward too see what this is, as it will be something not well known.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 10:19:40 AM

I'll get back to this car later. Hope there's noone who  finish this off in the meantime... ;)

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 10:42:19 AM

It is before 1910. And Bugace, it is none of the manufacturers you listed. I can't even recall how I ended up on the page describing this automobile. But it's quite interesting, isn't it :)?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 10:43:19 AM

Hi Bugace,
welcome to Autopuzzles!

It seems I'm not the only one listing all the manufacturers that are\were around!
I restricted the list down to 70 names, but still too many...and I can't check the city for each one of them...
I have a car AAG, not in the Beaulieu (and also the 1st of the list)...any chance?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 11:08:55 AM

It's going to be quite a challenge this way :) It is not an AAG

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 11:27:11 AM

Before '10!! I've been searching all wrong then. A Taunus?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 11:28:02 AM

No, it is not a Taunus. Taunus was located in Frankfurt-am-Main.

I seem to recall there were more than one manufacturer located in Frankfurt, which is not in Thuringia  8)

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 12:18:24 PM

I'm not giving up yet. Trying too learn some german geografie as well, and then I wonder if it could be a FEG('04-'07)?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 01:10:36 PM

Good guess, because it seems to fit almost all criteria, but it is not a FEG. Gera is not a spa city though

And one more interesting tidbit: Jozsef Bory, a Hungarian engineeer studied at FEG in 1904-1905. Then he returned to Hungary and set up his workshop where he built a few cars and motorcycles.

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 01:36:37 PM

Is Brandenburg a spa city? Altman('05-'07)

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 01:41:03 PM

Not an Altman

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 01:52:34 PM

Boes?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 02:01:38 PM

Not a Boes

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 30, 2010, 02:05:35 PM

COS?

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 02:45:23 PM

Not a COS

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: guido66 on June 30, 2010, 02:58:00 PM

Frankonia!

Title: Re: PN #95
Post by: pnegyesi on June 30, 2010, 02:59:40 PM

And we have a winner! Congratulations!

Title: Re: Solved: PN #95 -- Frankonia, cca 1906
Post by: Bugace on June 30, 2010, 03:51:40 PM

And it wasn't in my libraries at all! Lovely. Love learning about new makes.

Title: Re: Solved: PN #95 -- Frankonia, cca 1906
Post by: Allemano on June 30, 2010, 04:31:01 PM

Quote from: guido66 on June 30, 2010, 02:58:00 PM

Frankonia!

Unbelievable!