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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: barrett on July 18, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
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A selection of cars that I don't have positive IDs for, taken from a variety of sources.
Some of the cars I have a little information on, others I have no idea whatsoever. I'm not sure how I'm going to award points yet, we'll see if anything gets conclusively solved first. If any of these are reposts you'll get a point for pointing that out!
(By all means ask questions, but don't expect me to give you a decent answer!)
Okay, in no particular order, the cars:
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#2 - Lancia Astura (SACO) Still looking for more information
#3 - 1954 Gussenbauer Special (SACO)
#4 - Allard designed by Michael Eddowes (woodinsight) - still looking for the coachbuilder
#5 - DKW F7 by Karosseriefachbauschule Kaiserslautern (?) (SACO)
#6 - I believe I know the chassis/ engine but not much else
#7 - body by Karosseriefachbauschule Kaiserslautern on unknown chassis (Allemano) - still looking for more information about the base car
#8 - Delletrez Diesel by René Dhoëdt (SACO)
# 1a - NSU Spiess 1300 of Manfred Spiess / Heinz Gilges, 1969. (SACO)
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#8:Delettrez diesel ?
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#1a : NSU 1000 1969 ?
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#2: Lancia Astura (Asmara 1950 ) ?
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#8:Delettrez diesel ?
This is what I've heard it called, but I'm really not sure about that. Any evidence? I would like to know who the coachbuilder was too.
#1a : NSU 1000 1969 ?
Yes, this is what I have too. Really I'm looking for the constructor.
#2: Lancia Astura (Asmara 1950 ) ?
No idea about this one at all, I suppose it could be a Lancia! Any proof?
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#7 : Borgward Rometsch ?
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#8 : René Dhoëdt for coachbuilder ?
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#2 : Astura with Wikipedia :
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Love these kind of puzzles! :thumbsup:
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#2 : Astura with Wikipedia :
Well, searching 'Lancia Astura Asmara' brings up this photo, can somebody who speaks Italian add some more details please?
I'll award you one point (at the end) for finding the Make and Model but I'll give another point to anyone who can give me more details of the coachbuilder etc....
#7 : Borgward Rometsch ?
Looks like it could be, but I've never heard of such a car! keep digging!
#8 : René Dhoëdt for coachbuilder ?
Again, I've seen this reported in one place on the internet. I have no idea how true this is, I really need to see some supporting evidence for this one!
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#8:Delettrez diesel ?
I found it as a Delettrez diesel bodied by René Dhoedt in Paris, photographed at Enghien.
Sorry. I didn't see that SACO already answered
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#1a :Manfred Spiess / Heinz Gilges sur NSU Spiess 1300
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#8:Delettrez diesel ?
I found it as a Delettrez diesel bodied by René Dhoedt in Paris, photographed at Enghien.
Ah, Enghien. That's something I am sure of at least! ;D
I have seen all this written on the internet but only mentioned in one or two places... I don't know where the information comes from. It may very well be right, but this car is so far removed from the Delettrez Diesel car I have seen before I am not willing to accept the solution without some corroborative evidence. There must exist somewhere a period publication with more information about this car...
I only know of the Delettrez Le Mans car which I always thought was based on a pre-war Delahaye or Delage chassis... The only other mention of René Dhoedt is in conjunction with bodying a pre-war Delage in the 1950s....
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#1a :Manfred Spiess / Heinz Gilges sur NSU Spiess 1300
Well, this is almost certainly right. I have this as NSU Spiess 1300 at the Nurburgring, 1969. Previous searched for NSU Spiess sent back so many results I assumed 'spiess' was a generic German term for 'sports' or something like that.... :P ::)
Another point for you SACO, if the rest of these ever get solved!
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About Delettrez :
A Delettrez-Delahaye (perhaps Diesel)
Monte Carlo 1950 with Delettrez brother's
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#3 : Osca ?
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#6 :Steyr T55 modified ?
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#8 : An other view ,called " la joy mobile " 1954
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1938-40 Lancia astura MM
Not sure if it is the same car
Found this.
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Found that through a diacast model site ;D
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Roger: linking is forbidden on this section of the board. Please read the Autopuzzles Rulebook! (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6857.0)
This is your first warning!
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My apologies
Warning heeded.
Could car number one be a Bandinni ?
PS. the starting grid is from 1950 at Circuit Dell' Asmara
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#3 : Osca ?
I have no idea!
#6 :Steyr T55 modified ?
I see what you mean but I'm pretty sure this isn't a Steyr
#8 : An other view ,called " la joy mobile " 1954
Thank you!
Could car number one be a Bandinni ?
PS. the starting grid is from 1950 at Circuit Dell' Asmara
Not sure if it's a Bandini or a Lancia.....
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#5 :DKW F7 prototype 1953
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Could be a DKW. I'm pretty sure it's German but I think it is form an outside coachbuilder rather that a factory prototype. I might be wrong though!
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I found DKW in "Autolexikon-Thyssen"and I don't speak German ! ::)
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Cool - can one of our German speakers confirm this is another car built by students of the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern (called a slightly different name there but I assume the same place?)
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I have a list of unidentified cars of the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern, but couldn't find this one, yet.
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Ok
In the meantime I'm going to move this one up as it is getting a lot of attention!
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#7 is from the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern as well. If it's Borgward powered I don't know, but I guess it's more likely (VW?) rear engined.
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and..
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Excellent photos.
As mentioned in my PM this seems to confirm that #5 is also the work of the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern as well. I agree #7 looks to be VW based. I think a shot of the interior would probably confirm this!
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I've definetely seen #4 somewhere before.
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#4 - Allard built for the lawyer of Christine Keeler.
If I remember my source didn't mention the coachbuilder but I'll continue my search.
#6 - I would guess this is based on a Jowett Jupiter but no idea on the coachbuilder yet.
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back view of #4
still can't find the source of the puzzle pic. :-\
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#4 - Allard built for the lawyer of Christine Keeler.
If I remember my source didn't mention the coachbuilder but I'll continue my search.
The proportions and general look suggested Allard to me, thanks for confirming it
#6 - I would guess this is based on a Jowett Jupiter but no idea on the coachbuilder yet.
I believe this is a Jupiter yes, possibly Dutch coachwork going by the reg plate.
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Regarding #4, this Allard was designed by Michael Eddowes, the lawyer involved in the Profumo Affair where he represented Christine Keeler. He also wrote several books including The Man on your Conscience, about the trial of Timothy Evans and John Christie and The Oswald File about the Kennedy assassination.
The coachbuilder of this car is unknown but may have been by a firm such as Fox & Nicholl who were responsible for some early Healeys, the aerodynamic HRG and a prototype Frazer Nash 420 open two-seater.
I haven't been able to find anything more positive at the moment.
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Sorry for the late response, I must've missed this one. I think that answer is enough to award you a point!
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Sorry for the late response, I must've missed this one. I think that answer is enough to award you a point!
I look forward to receiving it..
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#8:Delettrez diesel ?
This is what I've heard it called, but I'm really not sure about that. Any evidence? I would like to know who the coachbuilder was too.
I have this car as having been built by Rene Dhoedt of Paris around 1949/51, although must say it looks a little later than that to me..
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Unknownb#3
Suposed to have been made in the AK Miller garage by Gussenbauer (Walter?) in Long Beach, CA for the 1954 La Carrera Pan American. Then went to The Philippines to race, then back to the US. Joe Alphabet in CA then owned the car for a while.
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#8:Delettrez diesel ?
This is what I've heard it called, but I'm really not sure about that. Any evidence? I would like to know who the coachbuilder was too.
I have this car as having been built by Rene Dhoedt of Paris around 1949/51, although must say it looks a little later than that to me..
Sorry, I see I'm not the first (or even the second!) to proffer this information...
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# 8: Delettrez Diesel and body by René Dhoedt/Paris are correct.
Picture was taken at the Enghien concours d'elegance 1956 and shows Colette Duval (parachutiste, stock-car-driver) and Gil Delamare (Cascadeur).
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Just to confirm SACO's observation on #3.
It was I believe, built by Walt Gussenbauer in 1954 and known as the Gussenbauer Special.
An unrestored photo of the car -
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Excellent work guys, and it seems it has even featured here before.
By the way, points will be awarded at the end, for anyone wondering where their points are!
Just the supposed Jowett Jupiter left to be solved now!
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If #2 is indeed what it is said to be on Wiki, the builder may well be Francesco Cifala himself. In 1957 he drove at Giro di Sicilia at the wheel of Fiat etceterini, which, I suppose, was also own built.
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Well, I can now confirm for certain the the 'Jowett' is indeed a Jowett Jupiter and even have a name for the coachbuilders.
I'll move this into 'solved' and award points presently, well done everyone!
Final points:
SACO - 5
woodinsight - 2
Allemano - 1
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Just to confirm SACO's observation on #3.
It was I believe, built by Walt Gussenbauer in 1954 and known as the Gussenbauer Special.
An unrestored photo of the car -
One of our very first puzzles :)
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=69.msg279#msg279
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I might have the link between "Joy mobile" (mentioned somewhere in this puzzle) and Delettrez. Possibly this car?
A Dutch company called Washmobile Holland (from Hilversum) supposedly presented on the car show of Paris in 1954 a car that was developped by L. Workum of Washmobile and the brothers Delettrez. The car used a Delettrez diesel engine but the drive was through what I understand to be a kind of hydrostatic drive. Apparently both Delettrez and Washmobile did not have the means to develop this car into series production.