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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: grobmotorix on January 19, 2011, 02:18:05 PM

Title: Bugatti Type 51 Esson-Scott monoposto (1935 conversion)
Post by: grobmotorix on January 19, 2011, 02:18:05 PM
WHO KNOWS THIS VEHICLE?
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Post by: grobmotorix on January 31, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
No vintage car nuts around?
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Post by: faksta on February 05, 2011, 03:27:32 PM
Born to make a wheelie...
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 06, 2011, 09:53:37 AM
 ;D
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 12:39:08 PM
experts
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Post by: D-type on February 12, 2011, 04:25:55 AM
MG-based?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 06:19:22 AM
Not MG.
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Post by: Ecnelis on February 12, 2011, 10:55:03 AM
Does it has something to do with Alfa Romeo?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
Not Alfa Romeo.
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Post by: Wendax on February 12, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
I think I saw the picture when I was hunting information about the Doninzo-Ford. Is it a South American car for Formula Libre?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
I´d call this a european Special.
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Post by: Wendax on February 12, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
Then I saw it perhaps when looking for AFM information. Is it German early post-war?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 02:02:44 PM
There´s nothing german with this car.
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Post by: Wendax on February 12, 2011, 02:20:53 PM
Then I have to discuss this in my Alzheimer therapy group  ;)
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Help me... ???
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 22, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
promoted
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Post by: woodinsight on February 22, 2011, 05:30:59 PM
British?
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Post by: Djetset on February 22, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
Is it Amilcar C6-related?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 22, 2011, 06:12:22 PM
Not british, not Amilcar - related.

EDIT: the chassis and basis car is not british, but the body is a british conversion.
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Post by: Allemano on February 22, 2011, 06:53:38 PM
A bi-motor car?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 23, 2011, 01:11:34 AM
Very good idea -but no.
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Post by: D-type on February 23, 2011, 03:53:59 PM
French?
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Post by: Arunas on February 23, 2011, 03:58:13 PM
Reminds me Opel RAK.
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 23, 2011, 11:12:53 PM
French!
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Post by: woodinsight on February 24, 2011, 06:41:48 AM
A bit of a wild guess but is it a rebodied Bugatti?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 24, 2011, 12:52:52 PM
Wild enough to be true!

LOCKED for you!

Which Bugatti type is it and who has initiated the conversion and drove it?
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Post by: woodinsight on February 25, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 24, 2011, 12:52:52 PM
Wild enough to be true!

LOCKED for you!

Which Bugatti type is it and who has initiated the conversion and drove it?

Despite searching my library for this car I can't find it.
I would guess it's T35B or T51 based.

Please unlock the puzzle for others to have a guess.
In the meantime I'll keep looking (I'm certain I've seen it somewhere before)
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 25, 2011, 07:34:27 AM
A Type 51 it is!

Still locked for you!
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Post by: woodinsight on February 25, 2011, 12:31:59 PM
Believe it or not I still can't find any reference to it.
I've been through every Type 51 on various web sources but have drawn a blank.

Thanks for the lock Grob but I'll let others have a go now......
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 26, 2011, 10:51:14 AM
O.K. open for all again!
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Post by: Tackitt on February 27, 2011, 12:26:10 AM
You folks are not talking about R.O. Ayrton's 1949 Monaco-bodied T51 Special are you?
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Post by: grobmotorix on March 26, 2011, 02:47:37 AM
Sorry for the late answer.

This car started life as a "stock" Bugatti 51C and has been converted into this car in the mid 30´s.
It had various owners, but not the one you´ve mentioned, I´m quite sure.
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Post by: woodinsight on April 12, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
Perhaps this is the one that was modified by Allen Arnold
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Post by: grobmotorix on April 12, 2011, 11:22:52 AM
I do not know Allen Arnold, but if he´s british, you´ve found the right country of the body conversion... :D
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Post by: woodinsight on April 12, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 12, 2011, 11:22:52 AM
I do not know Allen Arnold, but if he´s british, you´ve found the right country of the body conversion... :D
I haven't come across a photo of the car that Allen Arnold (British) rebodied as a single-seater.
I'll keep searching.......
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Post by: woodinsight on April 12, 2011, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on April 12, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 12, 2011, 11:22:52 AM
I do not know Allen Arnold, but if he´s british, you´ve found the right country of the body conversion... :D
I haven't come across a photo of the car that Allen Arnold (British) rebodied as a single-seater.
I'll keep searching.......
My source was wrong regarding the name. It was J. Allan Arnold who owned and modified Bugatti Type 51 (c/n: 51153). The car had originally come from Jack Lemon-Burton.
Tackitt's suggestion that it may be R.O. Ayrton's car points to another rebodied Type 51 (c/n: 51155). This was originally owned by King Leopold and passed to Peter Monkhouse (a partner in Monaco Motors) during the war. He crashed the car badly in 1947 and it was later sold to E. Charles and then to R.O. Ayrton who had it rebodied by Monaco Motors in 1949.
Whether one of the above cars is the puzzle car I haven't been able to establish.
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Post by: grobmotorix on April 12, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
There´s still no connection to the puzzle car so far... :-\
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Post by: woodinsight on April 12, 2011, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 12, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
There´s still no connection to the puzzle car so far... :-\
I didn't think so - I was just trying to eliminate two Type 51s that were probably both rebodied post WWII.
The search continues.....
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Post by: grobmotorix on April 14, 2011, 06:29:48 PM
Black hole?
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Post by: grobmotorix on May 09, 2011, 02:27:24 PM
I thought this was solved two steps below - it is shown in a well known older (german) Bugatti book...

Let us wait in the vanity of the black hole until one puzzler will solve it.
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Post by: woodinsight on May 16, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Is the car pictured at a British hillclimb event?
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Post by: grobmotorix on May 16, 2011, 12:25:08 PM
Most probably yes.
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Post by: woodinsight on May 17, 2011, 01:59:18 PM
Any connection to Noel Carr?
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Post by: grobmotorix on May 17, 2011, 02:45:25 PM
I´m quite sure - no...
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Post by: woodinsight on May 17, 2011, 02:59:42 PM
The search continues - I'm determined to solve this but it may take quite a lot of digging..... :)
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Post by: grobmotorix on May 17, 2011, 05:51:04 PM
O.K., I´ll help a little bit:

this car has been bought back from the Molsheim factory in 1933 after it has already been driven at several racing events.

It has been converted into a monoposto in 1935 for the person I´m looking for.
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Post by: Allan L on May 18, 2011, 04:06:37 AM
Probably Aubrey Esson-Scott, but I can't prove it!
Parts of his car were incorporated in the rebuild of Fitzroy Raglan's  T51 which was recently auctioned after Lord Raglan's death, so the car doesn't exist in the form pictured.
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Post by: grobmotorix on May 18, 2011, 06:31:00 AM
Finally I can declare this puzzle to be SOLVED!!!

:applause:

I´ll check the details when I´ll be back from work!
Title: Re: Bugatti Type 51 Esson-Scott monoposto 1935 conversion
Post by: woodinsight on May 18, 2011, 07:20:45 AM
Well done Allan!