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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: grobmotorix on January 17, 2011, 12:54:46 PM

Title: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: grobmotorix on January 17, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
Who knows this convertible?
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Post by: Allemano on January 17, 2011, 01:46:48 PM
Nice!
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Post by: grobmotorix on January 31, 2011, 04:43:13 PM
Promoted.
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Post by: Aaron65 on January 31, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
It looks Siata-esque...
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Post by: grobmotorix on January 31, 2011, 05:31:27 PM
But it is not one...
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Post by: Wendax on February 01, 2011, 02:14:31 AM
Spirou and Fantasio would have loved it.  ;)
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 01, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
 :D

Sure, it is even drawn in comic style...

I have not found any evidence if it has really been built.

But this is a part of a magazine advertisement of a renowned coachbuilding company.

And they gave it a name I want to hear...
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Post by: barrett on February 01, 2011, 09:28:03 AM
Pegaso?
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Post by: Oswald on February 01, 2011, 10:13:33 AM
Michelotti?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 01, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
None of those.
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Post by: barrett on February 01, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
Is it a Pininfarina design?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 01, 2011, 10:52:00 AM
No, not Pininfarina.

And it is indeed a well known italian coachbuilding company´s car.

But the technical basis is not italian.
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Post by: barrett on February 01, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
Touring?
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 01, 2011, 11:36:50 AM
Cunningham Vignale?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 01, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
None of those.
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Post by: Limo on February 02, 2011, 04:25:20 AM
Felber?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 02, 2011, 05:26:31 AM
Quote
And it is indeed a well known italian coachbuilding company´s car.

Felber was swiss, I think.
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Post by: Limo on February 02, 2011, 06:24:05 AM
allemano, because it looks as if Michelotti did the design
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 02, 2011, 08:05:01 AM
None of those.

There are just some better known ones left...
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 02, 2011, 08:09:46 AM
How about Ghia?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 02, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
LOCKED for you!

Now: what was the technical basis and how did they name that baby?
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 02, 2011, 11:10:35 AM
Is it based on a Chrysler platform?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 02, 2011, 12:46:21 PM
It is not american.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 02, 2011, 04:42:23 PM
Is it a Lancia?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 02, 2011, 04:56:39 PM
Not a Lancia.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 02, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
One last try and you can unlock it...is it supposed to be a version of a Ferrari America?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 03, 2011, 12:13:24 AM
No.

OPEN for all again, thanks to Aaron.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 03, 2011, 08:14:32 AM
I'll keep plugging away until someone gets it (or I do!); is it an Italian base???
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Post by: Wendax on February 03, 2011, 08:21:30 AM
Other Italian coachbuilders had similar ideas at that time: this is a Fiat 1100 Boano
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 03, 2011, 10:05:32 AM
Wild guess : Proposal design by Ghia for a Jaguar XK120 Supersonic convertible??
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 06, 2011, 09:23:17 AM
None of all mentioned before.

This photo/picture is part of a belgian Ghia advertisement.

And the basis car is not italian.
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Post by: Limo on February 06, 2011, 12:11:30 PM
jaguar?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 06, 2011, 03:25:22 PM
not british also.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 06, 2011, 03:33:56 PM
Is it a possible Bugatti proposal?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 07, 2011, 03:18:16 AM
Not Bugatti, but the basis car is french.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 07, 2011, 06:39:01 AM
Talbot-Lago?
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 07, 2011, 08:10:54 AM
Gregoire?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 07, 2011, 08:30:43 AM
Not Gregoire.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 07, 2011, 09:01:13 AM
Quote from: Aaron65 on February 07, 2011, 06:39:01 AM
Talbot-Lago?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 07, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
Not a Talbot, also.
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 07, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Arista??
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 07, 2011, 02:49:37 PM
Not Arista.
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Post by: barrett on February 10, 2011, 06:29:03 AM
Salmson 2300?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 10, 2011, 07:30:18 AM
Quotewhen in doubt, guess Salmson

It think we had those words here before...   :D

But - no, it is no Salmson either.
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 10, 2011, 07:51:25 AM
Let's get crazy--how about a Delage???
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 10, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
Not a Delage.
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Post by: Wendax on February 10, 2011, 08:55:58 AM
Facel-Véga?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 10, 2011, 10:11:08 AM
Not Facel Vega.

There aren´t too many of the well known french makes left - and it definitly is a well known make...
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 10, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
Delahaye?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 10, 2011, 10:40:07 AM
Not Delahaye.
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 10, 2011, 12:57:18 PM
Simca?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 10, 2011, 01:40:33 PM
Not Simca...
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 10, 2011, 04:25:40 PM
Delage?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 12:45:24 AM
Not Delage.
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Post by: Carnut on February 11, 2011, 04:55:00 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 12:45:24 AM
Not Delage.

That's funny - it wasn't last time Aaron asked either!
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Post by: Aaron65 on February 11, 2011, 06:35:04 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 11, 2011, 04:55:00 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 12:45:24 AM
Not Delage.

That's funny - it wasn't last time Aaron asked either!

Ha ha!  I'm losing track!  Looks like I've gone full circle!!!
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 06:36:52 AM
 ;D
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Post by: fyreline on February 11, 2011, 08:03:02 AM
Well, you've told us it's based on a well-known French make . . . so let's see if we can't eliminate a few more, or zero in a little better on the correct answer.  Is it based on a:

- Citroen?
- Renault?
- Panhard?

This has been one of the more entertaining quizzes so far.  I kind of hope it isn't one of these three!
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 09:15:51 AM
QuoteI kind of hope it isn't one of these three!

Sorry, but it is one of the named frech "big three"...

:D
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 11, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Bonnet?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 10:07:49 AM
Quote- Citroen?
- Renault?
- Panhard?

it IS one of them!

QuoteI kind of hope it isn't one of these three!

And this is why I´ve said I´m sorry.  ;)
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 11, 2011, 10:39:37 AM
So.....Panhard?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 11:01:13 AM
LOCKED for you.

It is indeed a Ghia body on a Panhard chassis.

But now I want to hear a specific name to be able to award a point for this puzzling puzzle.

;)
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
Now I´ve changed the puzzle pic to show you all some more of the original magazine advertisement.
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 11, 2011, 03:20:38 PM
Is it a  Paul Sterckx ad?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
This name is not mentioned in the ad.
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 11, 2011, 03:58:19 PM
I only noticed he has the same adress as in youre ad.
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 04:05:21 PM
So may have another piece of the name added to Panhard and Ghia, mentioned in your photo...
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 11, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 04:05:21 PM
So may have another piece of the name added to Panhard and Ghia, mentioned in your photo...


you mean Levassor?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 04:24:34 PM
No...
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 11, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
Mentioned in my foto?.......Dyna?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 11, 2011, 04:57:37 PM
This puzzle begins to end:

Dyna Panhard XXXXXXXXX Ghia

Still locked for you.
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 12, 2011, 09:51:32 AM
Mayby it is Dyna Panhard Cabriolet Ghia??

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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 09:57:11 AM
Hmmm, I´ve got to make a kind of an excuse.

I did some research on that car:
at least one of those must have been produced as a Convertible and one as a Coupé.

And despite the fact that the coachbuilding company is just called "GHIA" in the ad, I´m quite sure now that this has been a "Ghia-Aigle" body...

Now you´ve got another chance to give me the correct and full name of this
Dyna Panhard XXXXXX Ghia
(and do not count the Xs - it is two names that are still missing)
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 12, 2011, 10:14:15 AM
Grand Sport?

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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 10:23:28 AM
You´re almost there!

Your first world would read GRAN in italian, of course.
What is the second (and it is NOT Turismo)

DYNA PANHARD GRAN XXXXXX (Carrozzeria) GHIA
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 12, 2011, 11:00:21 AM
As it has a Ghia-Aigle body maybe it's

DYNA PANHARD GRAN SUISSE (Carrozzeria) GHIA ?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 12:16:26 PM
Do NOT count my X´s...

No, Suisse is not the world I´m looking for.
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 12, 2011, 12:19:22 PM
Gran Luxe?
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 01:29:18 PM
Man, because I do not want to torture anyone here I´ll help you now.

And this Time the number of X´s is the number of the last unknown letters:

Dyna Panhard Gran LuXXX (Carrozzeria) Ghia.

I want to give you that point now...
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Post by: Wendax on February 12, 2011, 01:50:21 PM
Does he have to put an O and two identical letters instead of the XXX in order to form an Italian word? I hope, he'll make it  :D
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
Well - nothing more to say about that...
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Post by: Amsterdam on February 12, 2011, 02:06:20 PM

:D
Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
 :applause:
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Post by: Wendax on February 12, 2011, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 09:57:11 AM
Hmmm, I´ve got to make a kind of an excuse.

I did some research on that car:
at least one of those must have been produced as a Convertible and one as a Coupé.

And despite the fact that the coachbuilding company is just called "GHIA" in the ad, I´m quite sure now that this has been a "Ghia-Aigle" body...

Now you´ve got another chance to give me the correct and full name of this
Dyna Panhard XXXXXX Ghia
(and do not count the Xs - it is two names that are still missing)

In the Pagneux book, those two Ghia-Aigle (coupe and convertible) are mentioned, but without a photo. Meanwhile the Ghia coupe is pictured, and it looks very different.
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Post by: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 02:22:12 PM
There is a 1954 Panhard Dyna Cabrio mentioned. Its french registration was 1565 DA 75.

And there are some pics of the coupé around.

Brochures and drawings at that time deliberatly changed proportions to make the product much sleeker and attractive...

Here´s the sole surviving Coupé:

<<< Link removed; Picture added >>>

Compare it to the ad and you will find that those are kind of brothers...

Title: Re: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: Amsterdam on February 12, 2011, 02:29:37 PM

Quote from: grobmotorix on February 12, 2011, 02:17:37 PM
:applause:

Thanks.....finally  :-X

Great puzzle  :applause:
Title: Re: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: 72Must on February 13, 2011, 11:36:58 AM


Cabrio at Geneva 1953 show

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd257/airnwater_photos/Coachbuilt/PanhardghiaaigleGeneva53.jpg)
Title: Re: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: Allemano on February 13, 2011, 11:58:30 AM
The Ghia-Aigle archive only mentions a Panhard Dyna Cabriolet "Grand Sport" in 1953.
Title: Re: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: woodinsight on February 13, 2011, 02:03:57 PM
Another view of the coupe
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Post by: Wendax on February 15, 2011, 04:01:20 AM
Have a look at reply 135  ;)
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5331.135
Title: Re: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: grobmotorix on October 31, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
A rear view:
Title: Re: Dyna Panhard Gran Lusso (Carrozzeria) Ghia (Aigle) convertible 1954
Post by: grobmotorix on October 31, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
And a better front view:
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