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Identify the car vehicle, and I'll give you a point

Experts?

Swiss bus chassis?

Bussing-NAG 12 cyl. bus chassis of around 1932?

Not Swiss and not a Bus(sing) chassis

Is it German though?

Yes it is.

Vomag Type 60V57 of 1930?

Not a Vomag

Perhaps Faun?

No, not Faun

1 up

Krupp?

No

Is that 4WD?? It would explain the rather unusual placement of the front axle...

not 4WD, but you're on to something  ;)

I can see the half-shafts on the front axis. It's a FWD vehicle then?

Yes, indeed!

BVG (formerly ABOAG) of Berlin?

No, not a (omni)bus chassis

MAN?

Not MAN

common German truck producer?

No, but the name is known here

Quote from: guido66 on October 17, 2010, 03:44:45 AM
No, but the name is known here

for something else?

For a well known car. The name was also very recently wrongly guessed in another puzzle

Rumpler?

Spyker? ???

Quote from: woodinsight on October 17, 2010, 09:33:57 AM
Rumpler?

That's it!  Locked for you to give me a bit more detail

Ouch - now I know it....

The complete vehicle was destroyed in 1942.
Hope I may be able to solve this, but chances are not too big...

The Rumpler LKW was built and developed between 1926 and 1931.
It was a front-wheel drive commercial vehicle with a low chassis.
The first RuV 29 was powered by a Maybach 6 cylinder engine producing 90ps and the second, RuV 31 had a 12 cylinder engine developing 150ps.

I assume the puzzle photo shows a chassis under test but I'm not sure exactly which model as this appears to be a single rear-axle vehicle.

The only other photo I found shows a twin rear-axle model with a body designed by Luchterhand & Freytag of Berlin-Tempelhof.
It was a newspaper delivery van owned by Ullstein Verlag and was destroyed during an air raid on Berlin in 1943.

Errrm, isn't this supposed to be locked? ???

Quote from: Tom_I on October 18, 2010, 02:15:50 PM
Errrm, isn't this supposed to be locked? ???

Yes — for woodinsight.. ;)

Well done, Woodinsight!  :thumbsup:

It's a 1929 Rumpler design indeed, with his Rumpler "Vornantrieb" system ("Frontantrieb" was already patented by DKW  ;))

However, during the course of this puzzle I've been digging deeper into the history of these trucks and I'm not certain if it is the Luchterhand & Freytag truck in development.

This is wat I found: Since Rumpler now had no own workshop, he founded the "Vornantrieb- und Vertriebs GmhH Berlin-Charlottenhurg" and contracted other companies for building cars. On the 21st of October 1929 at the Prague Motor Show in Vomag presented a bus chassis with "Rumpler Vornantrieb". The rear swing axle construction allowed the use of a central tube frame.

But Rumpler encountered patent trouble with Tatra over the swing axle design. Rumpler also devoted himself trucks, the best-known was a three-axle truck of the Ullstein publishing house. The body came from Luchterhand & Freytag, a 150 hp twelve-cylinder Maybach provided ample power.


So, after all it still might be a Vomag omnibus chassis!  :bag:

I've given Woodinsight 2 points for his work! If someone can proof if this is a Vomag or not I think that's worth another point  ;)

Thanks Guido - interesting extra information you found there.

I've been trying to post the image of the Rumpler Ullstein Verlag newspaper delivery van without success tonight - Internet is very slow, probably jammed up with people trying to cope with the impending strike in France tomorrow.
I'll try again later or perhaps someone else can post the image for me?

It's only this site that's giving me trouble. I wanted to post that photo as well, but I cannot get it through, just like you.

Firstly my apologies for the earlier comment about the lock - I hadn't read the previous posts carefully enough, so sorry about that.  :-[

As others have found, there are photos around of the RuV 31, but I haven't found any which claim to be the RuV 29, so I don't know if it had the same arrangement of twin axles at the back. Both trucks were apparently used by Verlag Ullstein for delivering newsprint from Berlin to ports on the Baltic, and both were reportedly destroyed by a bombing raid in 1942, or 1943, according to source.

The only other thing I can offer is that the puzzle picture appeared in "Popular Science Monthly" of April 1930, but the chassis was not identified other than being a German truck.

(http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6715/rumpler1.jpg)

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2307/psm1930.jpg)

Wow!

Thanks Tom_I for posting those photos.

The only other illustration I found is below -

You can also get one for your HO gauge model railway!


(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5558/rumpler2.jpg)

It´s almost impossible to post any pictures today. Don´t know why...

(http://www3.pic-upload.de/19.10.10/9ogv73d49lk1.jpg) (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-7447734/rumpler-maybach-1000.jpg.html)

I read somewhere it was able to reach 100 km/h!

Sorry guys:
While not technically a repost, this one was already shown in this puzzle. I'll merge them.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13864.25

Here´s a vintage photo of a 1933 FBR 1 (Froß-Büssing-Rumpler) Frontantriebs-LKW (front wheel drive truck):

No puzzler phot any more...

Here is a 1930 detail shot of  a Rumpler truck chassis:

The original photos have been lost from this thread, but this was the puzzle picture. This is as it appeared in Popular Science Monthly in April 1930, partially overlaid with another picture. The original was a plain version of this photo.

The other photos posted in this thread were of the RuV 31 (shown below), the best-known example of the Rumpler front wheel drive trucks. However, this, and the smaller-engined RuV 29 both had  twin rear axles with smaller wheels, so are clearly not the same as the puzzle picture. But looking at details of the chassis, steering wheel, steering box and driveshaft, I think that the picture posted by Grob in reply #46 is the same chassis as the puzzle picture.