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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: porridgehead on January 10, 2007, 09:05:51 AM
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So I've collected a few pics over the years. Figure it's time to share and annoy the bejeezuz out of a bunch o' nice people. 'Cause annoyin' is whats I does best.
This one I just posted elsewhere, where it was greeted with a round of ??? ??? ??? ??? Let's see if you folks can do better.
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I seen this one before somewhere. I believe its Triumph TR based with an Italian body. Maybe by Ghia or similar.
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Naaah, yer all wet on this one. That's a 240Z variant by somebody, somewhere at some time! :P
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I've seen this one before somewhere. I believe its Triumph TR based with an Italian body. Maybe by Ghia or similar.
Nope. Although I can understand why you might think so. ;D
Naaah, yer all wet on this one. That's a 240Z variant by somebody, somewhere at some time! :P
:nod:
Although, not really a variant... but I've said too much. ;)
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Well, its RHD, it doesn't have the high back bucket seats the Z came with in America and it has flip up lights instead of the "sugar scoop" headlights on the American version. Ergo, it is a Fairlady 240 Z sold in England (or mayhaps Australia) back in the days when such cars were sold under the Datsun moniker.
Because of the wire wheels, I am guessing England is the home market for this car. Nice looking ride, actually, even by today's standards. FAR more attractive than the current 350Z convertible, which looks like and inverted sea tortoise - and that's with the top DOWN!!!! :o
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It's not a Nissan or a Datsun. Neither in nomenclature, nor manufacture, nor engine. However it is related to the Z. How it is, or isn't, I will not say.
Furthermore, this photo was taken well before the Z ever came into being.
Clear as mud?
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Is it possible it was something designed by Albrecht von Goertz for Toyota?
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It's possible, except for the fact that it's not a Toyota.
I wouldn't abandon that avenue however.
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Yamaha A 550X
(http://www.conceptnissan.com/pre-70/1964_A550X-02.jpg)
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Clear as mud?
Yes, thank you very much! >:(
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Nicely done Ultra 8)
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That's a stupid name! ::)
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I suspect you weren't too far behind Arthur. As for you MG, you got the ball rolling. You saw the genesis of the Z underneath all the frippery.
Here's some info on the car:
This prototype was powered by the Yamaha 2.0L 4 cylinder engine.
It would appear to be the continued refinement by Yamaha of the Joint Nissan 2000GT/Yamaha A550X Development Project. Shown here in Black as of Dec. 1964, it was built as a fiberglass prototype and first painted white. Other pictures of this prototype have been circulated, but no documentation as to the date it was finished has been found so far.
According to Mr. Yoshikawa, Yamaha used this prototype to demonstrate their Design and Rapid Prototype Build capabilities to perspective clients of their Yamaha Design Center.
Here we can see several of the Goertz styling clues (Corvette front end, radius'ed wheel arches, tall greenhouse etc.) carried forward; yet the rear quarter windows receive far different treatment, the overly long nose of the Nissan 2000GT is shortened and the front fenders are far more rounded etc.
Unlike the first clay and metal prototype of the Nissan 2000GT, this prototype of the Yamaha A550X was kept by Yamaha, and all the pictures of it were taken at the Yamaha facility.
This was taken from here:<<< link removed >>>
Next up: something a little more difficult.
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Ok, here's something that will twist your knickers in a knot. It may cause retina scarring, but it sure is memorable.
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/FigoniBrainfaht.jpg)
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Is it a student project based on the Citroën Visa?
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I don't know. It very well may be. The book that I scanned this from (hey, stop laughing, I can so read.) doesn't give a lot of information about the designer or the mechanicals. But now that you mention it, I wouldn't be at all surprised. If that is the case, I'm going to pull the damn thing and chuck it in the "wish I'd never seen that" bin.
Hmmm...I've noticed a hint in the image that may not be of any use whatsoever.
I'll give this one 'til the morn' and if nobody has it by then, out she goes.
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I assume you mean the plate IAA '91. IAA is an auto show I think. 1991 would be the year.
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That would be the good-fer-nuthin clue. Or maybe it's a good clue. I honestly don't know. I have a feeling that if it pans out, somebody will tell me pretty durn quickly.
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Or not! ;D
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Kind of looks like the IAA '91 might be a 1991 concept built a few years earlier.
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Ok, here's the dealio. It's the G Pollman Famlienspass, whateverthehell that is. It was displayed at the 1991 International Automobile Alakazamabamaboozle in Germany. You can read more about it here, although why anybody would want to is something I cannot bear to think about.
G Pollman also created the Die Limousine (Die! Die! DIE!) in 1989, Why he was allowed to continue producing anything beyond burnt toast is a matter of conjecture.
Now I've got to come up with something else. Lessee... howzabout this then:
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Albrect%20Goertz%20Taiphun%20(Small).jpg)
<<< links removed >>>
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Ok, here's the dealio. It's the G Pollman Famlienspass, whateverthehell that is. It was displayed at the 1991 International Automobile Alakazamabamaboozle in Germany. You can read more about it here, although why anybody would want to is something I cannot bear to think about.
http://www.geocities.com/conceptcarcentralgermany/familienspass.html
G Pollman also created the Die Limousine (Die! Die! DIE!) in 1989, Why he was allowed to continue producing anything beyond burnt toast is a matter of conjecture.
http://www.geocities.com/conceptcarcentralgermany/dielimousine.html
Now I've got to come up with something else. Lessee... howzabout this then:
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Albrect%20Goertz%20Taiphun%20(Small).jpg)
At least it is better looking than that last piece of shit you shared with us.
:nana:
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Nice Wheels! Exposed hubs always give me such a warm, squishy feeling in my shorts! ;D
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Nice Wheels! Exposed hubs always give me such a warm, squishy feeling in my shorts! ;D
TMI!!!
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It is the Abarth Alfa Romeo 1000 GT Colani Coupé from 1959. The engine was from Alfa Romeo and Scaglione built the bodies.
The italian-born designer Luigi Colani also designed and produced a VW Beetle based sportscar with a very similar front end from 1964 to 1968. The german Colani car was available with either a coupé or roadster body. Colani have later styled a lot of cars, most of them have never been made in numbers larger than one.
Here is one Colani one-off:
(http://www.peter-stuecker.de/images/designgaleriel.jpg)
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Excellent. Colani is quite distinctive, ain't he.
Well ok then, let's crank this up a notch. No grad-school specials or artiste creations, nosirree. What we have here is gen-u-wine trivial epherma of the most obscure variety. Good luck!
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Kieft%20Cleftpalate.jpg)
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Is it a british Kieft from 1954 with a Coventry Climax engine? First shown at the London Motor Show and for sale at 1560 british pounds non cars of this model was ever sold. This Kieft had a GRP body.
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No, and sorry 'bout that.
FWIW, any of the file names of the cars I'm posting here are, at best, incorrect. At worst, they are complete misdirections that only serve to waste your time searching avenues that may seem promising but actually hold no value.
Sometimes they are merely amusing.
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:D They sure are! I actually found some very beautiful cars made by mr. Cyril Kieft. It was no waste of time for me.
The car looks a little similar to another post war car, the french Georges Irat.
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Keep Georges in mind because he might show up in the near future. The Kiefts are interesting little beasts, aren't they?
(http://www.500race.org/Marques/T%20Bridges%20in%20Kieft%20exits%20Druids%201955.jpg)
(http://www.ciltd.co.uk/Events/GRM01/Kieft.JPG)
(http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2003/n09/86_91_essen/800/08.jpg)
Of course, almost any Welsh automobile is interesting, no?
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It's a 1959 Peugeot 403 built by Radovitch.
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Oooooooh... and here I was thinking this might last a full 24 hours. Radovitch Puego... Pugeaux... Peaug... errr... what you said. That's what it is.
So our movable feast continues onward. Once again, good luck and happy hunting. I suspect this one will go quickly too.
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Philbert%20Smegmabreath.jpg)
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French and based at a rear-engined Renault?
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1960 Vuillet Coupe
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Krikeys! It took longer for me to find out what mechanicals the dang thing was based upon than for you guys to come up with an answer.
I guess the color of the car and the background were kinda big hints, weren't they.
So, yeah, 1960 Vuillet Coupe, based upon the Peugu... aw screw it... Pug 403.
Either I'm not making these hard enough or youse guise are just too good.
This one is probably a gimme too.
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Talbot%20Redtag%20Sale.jpg)
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Since we're on a roll here, I'm going with Peugeot again... :lmao:
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You just want to see me try to spell it again, don't'cha. Not gonna do it. Nosir. Not gonna.
Of course, it may still be based upon those cars that you mentioned, but I ain't gonna spell it. ;D
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Don't tell me that I've actually made you guys work at one of these! Incroyable!
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Looks rather like a poor man's version of the MG T-series Aero coupe
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Hmmm... from this angle, it kinda does. But then, was the MG-T Aero really a rich man's car? Either way, there's no relation.
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Ooooooh... maybe this is harder than I thought! Of course, when you're the one who blindly stumbled across the photo in the first place while searching for something completely unrelated that Karnevil cooked up that you never did find in the first place, it damn well better seem easy. At least it should seem easier than reading that last sentence.
So maybe a hint is in order. Well you should realize that I suck at hints. Actually, make that blow. Nononono... no, let's just stick with suck. I tend to blow them, therefore I suck. What the hell were we talking about?
Oh yeah, if you squint your eyes and rub Vaseline brand petroleum jelly on your monitor and give your medulla a solid whack with a tire iron, this will almost look like a pale imitation of a copy of a mimeographed pantomime of a couple very famous cars from another country. This car is from that very same country.
Try it and see if I'm not right.
Did I mention that I suck at hints?
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Did I mention that I suck at hints?
I believe you left that out.
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so it French then?
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This is a 1933 Alvis Prince, a one off custom made for the Earl of Swofford on his 60th birthday, which, as we all know, was the same as St. Swithern's Day. The car featured an interior made entirely of elephant hide tanned in a The Punjab and transported about the HMS Fearnaught travelling from Rangoon via Lehore. It featured an engine made by Sir Thomas Swineherd, the Third Duke of Surrey on Chamberbord. It displaced exactly 12 liters and featured 12 cylinders, half of them using conventional spark ignition and half using compression ignition technology, due to the vicissitudes of wartime fuel availability. As the motor produced over 600 newton/meters per pico curie of torque, no transmission was needed, allowing the driver to savor the superb handling characteristics of a suspension welded directly to the chassis, thereby reducing camber change during cornering to zero.
Sadly, the Alvis Prince was melted down to make munitions for the Great War, when raw materials became scarce. All that survives is this photograph, which is really of quite good quality, considering the era in which it was taken.
You can trust me on this or you can look it up! Go to http://www.rarebritishjunk.com/tomfoolery.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
I really, really, reallyreallyreally hate to say that MG is incorrect here because I wish he was right. Still, I have to thank him for be so wonderfully wrong. That made my morning. :applause:
Arthur Dent, it is indeed Franch, but not one of those Puggie things.
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haha - good one MG
It almost likes like a cheapo fiberglass body to me.
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It really looks like a cheap fiberglass body if you forget to wipe the Vaseline off your monitor. However, given that the car is pre-1945 (Just how pre is for you to determine), it is probably not fiberglass. However, I cannot say definitively without actually thumping fenders a la the ol' Cobra test.
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Ah, oui, monsieur. Perhaps zees car eeez le seldom seen Citroen Un Chevaux? It looks ratheeer as though eeet might feature zeee traction avant, non?
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Oh hellz bellz, I've just committed the cardinal sin of Name that car: I gave an incorrect hint. This car is not pre-1945. It is, however, pre-1950. Narrows things down a bit, but still it's a bozo no-non to have you searching for something that did not exist when I said it did. My apologies.
In the interest of helping, here's another pic of the same thing. It may help, it may not.
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Talbot%20Red%20Door.jpg)
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Bolt-on wire wheels on a car made between 1945 and 1950 must be unusual enough to make an easy identification - except I can't think of anything that used such wheels then. ???
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it may not.
I'll take "It May Not" for a hundred, Alex. ;)
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Mmmm... tastes stale. Let's see what kind of hint I can conjur up; probably useless again.
Draws deep breath: It was powered by a Ruby, also employed by George Irat.
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Ah yes, of course!
The Lambert with a GT body by Schmitt would fit, though I have never seen a photo of it elsewhere.
Ruby was defunct by then and Germain Lambert made his own engines as Lambert-Rubys
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:o
8)
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Sorry, I done passed out in amazement. I figured my hint would be all but worthless but once again, the knowledge contained here leaves me breathless.
It is indeed a 1948 Lambert CS. Germaine Lambert created a number of interesting automobiles, if not in quantity then in variety. Among them, the CS coupe, as pictured, in addition to:
1949 Spyder Grand Sport
(http://www.porridgehead.com/autopuzzles/1949lambertspydergrandsportqc9.jpg)
1931 Type TA (kind of a Paris Hillbilly rig, if you asked me)
(http://www.porridgehead.com/autopuzzles/Lambert-TA.jpg)
Cabriolet Tudor
(http://www.porridgehead.com/autopuzzles/Lambert_cabriolet_tudori.jpg)
1950 1100 Racer
(http://www.porridgehead.com/autopuzzles/lambert_1100.jpg)
Excellent work AllanL! That one was not for the faint of heart. As an added bonus, I got to sneak in a Georges Irat reference too! Woohoo!
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Concerning Albrecht Goertz's involvement with the design of the Yamaha/Nissan A550X and both the Toyota 200GT and Nissan's S30series Z, there seems to be some serious doubt cast as to whether he actually contributed to any of those projects. According to British "Classic and Sports Car's" most recent issue Goertz is referred to as a self agrandiser and liar...unfortunately the recently deceased Goertz is no longer capable of defending himself of the allegations. He apparently was hired by Nissan as a consultant on the Silvia GT project in that period. The piece goes on about how Nissan's Yoshiko Matsuo was recently interviewed for the first time by western press in London and that it's long past due that he and Toyota's Saturo Nozaki are given credit for their work on these GT classics. (The issue also has a great feature article on the 2000GTs).
Anyway, it seems to me that there's a good story in unravelling the intrigue that is Albrecht Goertz, hopefully the truth will prevail...
It's too bad the A550X project didn't resolve directly into a production car as it sure was a cool looking GT, we'll have to be satisfied with the assimilated lines that show through the 240-280Zs.
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Oooooooh... and here I was thinking this might last a full 24 hours. Radovitch Puego... Pugeaux... Peaug... errr... what you said. That's what it is.
So our movable feast continues onward. Once again, good luck and happy hunting. I suspect this one will go quickly too.
(http://www.porridgehead.com/vortex/whatcar/Philbert%20Smegmabreath.jpg)
Could anyone tell me anything more about this car ?
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Could anyone tell me anything more about this car ?
I can. The 1967 Vuillet Berlinette was based upon his 1958 Barquette:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15606.0
The engine was modified again, surprisingly less powerful (85 hp at 5500 rpm), but with increased torque. The body was made of polyester, just the roof using a steel part of the Peugeot 504. When his two children grew larger, he decided to donate the car to the Mulhouse museum.
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Some poor quality but interesting period photos:
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Why don't you post these pics here:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15606.0
and then I move it to the 'Rare car of the week' section?
There are little info about this car around and the only pics are the ones from that Collection.