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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: Carnut on March 16, 2011, 12:10:35 PM
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It's time for another bus puzzle!
Same rules as last time : 1 point for the chassis/engine builder and date plus another point for the bodybuilder.
However, I don't necessarily know all the makes or all the bodybuilders or even the exact dates, so just give me what you can and it may be that you know more than I do!
Again this puzzle will only have a short stay with the Rookies, just in case we have some new Rookie bus expert, then it will quickly move up through the Experts to the Pro's.
As before, points will be awarded as they are earned.
Good hunting!
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Second batch:
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And third batch:
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It doesn't look there are any bus experts amongst the new Rookies, so let's move this one upwards to the Experts...
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OK. Here are my first guesses (as quick as possible)
#1 Albion CX19 for Hills Bus Service
#2 IFA DO fom 1956 Est=Berlin
#3 Biamax F600 from 1962 Athens
#7 Sunbeam Sikhfrom 1933 bodied by Dodson (H36/28R)
#10 A bus bodied by Verheul ?
#11 White semi, the first in New South Wales
#12 Saviem for Paris Vision, maybe a S105
#13 Morris FF Band Bus from 1961
#14 Ford from 1937 for Greyhound in Australia
#16 A Delahaye from 1947 ?
#17 Scania from 1938 bodied by Steffe
#18 A bus bodied by Busaf ?
#19 Pegaso Z403 Monocasco from 1952
#24 DAF bodied by Renova
#30 Büssing-NAG 375T bodied by Gaubschat from 1935
#33 Krauss-Maffei 54KML
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31 - Leyland Tiger
35 - Commer
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..............and not a Bedford OB amongst them......shame on you ;)
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OK. Here are my first guesses (as quick as possible)
#1 Albion CX19 for Hills Bus Service - Yes, but there's more to it than that! When does the chassis date from? When does the body date from? Who built the body?
#2 IFA DO fom 1956 Est=Berlin - Yes!
#3 Biamax F600 from 1962 Athens - Yes!
#7 Sunbeam Sikhfrom 1933 bodied by Dodson (H36/28R) - Yes!
#10 A bus bodied by Verheul ? - Don't know who built the body actually; might be Verheul. But what's the chassis?
#11 White semi, the first in New South Wales - Yes!
#12 Saviem for Paris Vision, maybe a S105 - Yes, although I don't know the model designation; when does it date from?
#13 Morris FF Band Bus from 1961 - Yes!
#14 Ford from 1937 for Greyhound in Australia - It's a Ford yes, but that's not quite enough; a Ford what? Date not quite right; who built it?
#16 A Delahaye from 1947 ? - Yes; what model?
#17 Scania from 1938 bodied by Steffe - Yes!
#18 A bus bodied by Busaf ? - Might be BUSAF, I don't know. I'm looking for the make/chassis builder?
#19 Pegaso Z403 Monocasco from 1952 - Yes!
#24 DAF bodied by Renova - Yes!
#30 Büssing-NAG 375T bodied by Gaubschat from 1935 - Yes!
#33 Krauss-Maffei 54KML - Krauss-Maffei is right but I have a different model; when does it date from?
Very good start!
I'll tot up the points later; maentime there's a bit to work on!
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31 - Leyland Tiger
35 - Commer
No and No; sorry!
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..............and not a Bedford OB amongst them......shame on you ;)
Much too easy!
Anyway, ever since I was sick in the back of one on the way to Bridlington as a small boy I've never liked them!
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Answers/points:
Bus #1: 1939 Albion CX19 rebuilt by Hills in 1960 - 2 pts to pguillem for chassis and bodybuilder
Bus #2: IFA Do56 East German Berlin bus with Waggonbau Bautzen body - 1956 - 1 point to pguillem for make and 1 to Wendax for body
Bus #3: Biamax F600 Athens bus 1962 - 1 point to pguillem
Bus #4: Ambaari Ashok sleeper Coach - 1 point to woodinsight
Bus #5: Fiat 306/3 Cansa bus in Brescia - 1 point to Wendax
Bus #6: Pures South Korean air purefying electric bus - 1 point to Oguerrerob
Bus #7: 1933 Sunbeam Sikh bodied by Dodson - 2 points to pguillem
Bus #8: Chevrolet LQ Bus 1929 - 1 point to Wendax
Bus #9: Zhongda touring bus - 1 point to del78
Bus #10: Guy Victory U.F. Touring Coach - 1 pt for pguillem with 1 more point there for bodybuilder with proof!
Bus #11: White semi-bus late 1940's - first in New South Wales - 1 point to pguillem and 1 to Wendax
Bus #12: Saviem Paris Vision S53M 1968 bodied by Gangloff - 2 points to pguillem
Bus #13: Morris Motors Band touring bus 1961 bodied by Wadham - 1 point to pguillem and 1 to Wendax
Bus #14: 1938 Ford Super Coach for Greyhound Australia built by Watt Coaches, Brisbane - 2 pts to pguillem.
Bus #15: Albion CX19 with Roberts body - 2 points to woodinsight
Bus #16: 1947 Delahaye 131 - 1 point to pguillem.
Bus #17: 1938 Scania built by Steffe - 2 points to pguillem
Bus #18: Scammell Contractor for South African Railways - 1 point for Austin
Bus #19: Madrid Pegaso Z403 Monocasco - 1952 - 2 points to pguillem
Bus #20: Ford Advanced Bus Styling Rendering mid 1960's - 1 point to Allemano
Bus #21: Malta-built AmphiCoach GTS-1 amphibious coach - 1 point to del78
Bus #22: Coach bodied by Grange Freres of Valence - 1946. Chassis unknown. 1 point to woodinsight.
Bus #23: Toyota BW Monocoque bus 1949 - 1 point to Wendax.
Bus #24: 1951 DAF with Renova body - 2 points to pguillem
Bus #25: 1941 MAVAG N2h/40 in Budapest - 1 point to pguillem
Bus #26: 1917 Berliet - 1 point for Oguerrerob
Bus #27: GMC Fageol Twin Coach 1942 - 1 point for Oguerrerob
Bus #28: Drogmoller Meteor - 1993. 1 point to woodinsight.
Bus #29: Bussing ABOAG 1927 with Maybach engine - 2 points to Wendax
Bus #30: 1935 Büssing 375T with Gaubschat body - 2 points to pguillem
Bus #31: Sentinel STC6 with Sentinel B44F body 1953 - 2 points to woodinsight
Bus #32: Guy Warrior on service in Greece - 1 point to pguillem.
Bus #33: 1959 Krauss-Maffei KML 110 - 1 point to pguillem.
Bus #34: Ankai Chinese electric bus - 1 point to Oguerrerob
Bus #35: 1953 Karrier Q25 with Auto Cellulose body - 2 points to Max
Bus #36: Bristol VRLL Express Coach 1972 bodied by ECW - 2 points to woodinsight
Total points tally:
pguillem: 26 points
Wendax: 9 points
woodinsight: 9 points
del78 : 2 points
Max : 2 points
Oguerrerob : 4 points
Allemano : 1 point
Austin : 1 point
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no. 9: Zonda A9 from China
no. 21: Amphicoach
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no. 9: Zonda A9 from China
That's it!
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#10 A bus bodied by Verheul ?
It's not by Verheul as far as I can ascertain.
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no. 9: Zonda A9 from China
no. 21: Amphicoach
Amphicoach is right but it has a model designation too.
1 point awaiting you when you give me it!
(I'd prefer it if you gave new answers as separate posts rather than edits of previous posts, as otherwise they might not get noticed. Thanks)
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bus # 21.jpj = Amphicoach GTS. World's first amphibious bus. Builder Amphicoach of Malta. 12 to be made. Engine Iveco Tector turbo diesel. Saw a partial answer already, thought I would give more details. ;)
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Thanks whcgt but I was really awaiting del78's answer with the model designation, as I said.
However, the designation you have given is not totally correct so this is locked for del78's reply with the correct full answer. If he doesn't get it at first try then I'll open it up again.
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31 - Leyland Tiger
35 - Commer
No and No; sorry!
Actually you're not too far out with #35 - keep working on it!
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Sorry if I screwed up del 78 answer. I did not see his response until after I searched it. I had seen that #21 was not answered & I pusued it.
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#35 - a nod's as good as a....Karrier Q25 with Auto Cellulose body, 1953.
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Sorry if I screwed up del 78 answer. I did not see his response until after I searched it. I had seen that #21 was not answered & I pusued it.
Amphicoach GTS-1 (Luxury Coach Version)
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#35 - a nod's as good as a....Karrier Q25 with Auto Cellulose body, 1953.
That's worth 2 points!
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Amphicoach GTS-1 (Luxury Coach Version)
That's what I was looking for!
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Preparing for the remaining work. But before : #25 is a Màvag-Mercedes-Benz BX333 in Budapest.
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Preparing for the remaining work. But before : #25 is a Màvag-Mercedes-Benz BX333 in Budapest.
Almost (MAVAG/Budapest) but not the right model designation, or at least not the one I have..
Locked for you to dig a little more for designation and year.
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OK. Here are my first guesses (as quick as possible)
#1 Albion CX19 for Hills Bus Service - Yes, but there's more to it than that! When does the chassis date from? When does the body date from? Who built the body?
#10 A bus bodied by Verheul ? - Don't know who built the body actually; might be Verheul. But what's the chassis?
#12 Saviem for Paris Vision, maybe a S105 - Yes, although I don't know the model designation; when does it date from?
#14 Ford from 1937 for Greyhound in Australia - It's a Ford yes, but that's not quite enough; a Ford what? Date not quite right; who built it?
#16 A Delahaye from 1947 ? - Yes; what model?
#18 A bus bodied by Busaf ? - Might be BUSAF, I don't know. I'm looking for the make/chassis builder?
#33 Krauss-Maffei 54KML - Krauss-Maffei is right but I have a different model; when does it date from?
Very good start!
I'll tot up the points later; maentime there's a bit to work on!
#1 Albion CX19 for Hills Bus Service - The chassis date from 1939. Hills built the body
#12 Saviem for Paris Vision, was a S53M from 1968 bodied by Gangloff
#14 Ford from 1937 for Greyhound in Australia - It seems that the Graham Allum reference is wrong. I found a Ford Super Coach from 1938 built by Watt Coaches.
#16 A Delahaye from 1947 - It's a 131
#33 Krauss-Maffei - Let's say KML 110 from 1959.
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Preparing for the remaining work. But before : #25 is a Màvag-Mercedes-Benz BX333 in Budapest.
Almost (MAVAG/Budapest) but not the right model designation, or at least not the one I have..
Locked for you to dig a little more for designation and year.
My Hungarian is quite limited. Looking for this bus, I found interesting infos on an english site
"This very strange vehicle is pictured in the Szentendre bus and tram museum and I thought you would like to see it. It’s a petrol-engined coach converted into a tram - amazing! I know nothing about it or where it ran, although perhaps it was a war-time conversion."
BTW it describes it as a MÁVAG N2h/40 #333 from 1941.
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#22 A Berliet bodied by ?
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#1 Albion CX19 for Hills Bus Service - The chassis date from 1939. Hills built the body
#12 Saviem for Paris Vision, was a S53M from 1968 bodied by Gangloff
#14 Ford from 1937 for Greyhound in Australia - It seems that the Graham Allum reference is wrong. I found a Ford Super Coach from 1938 built by Watt Coaches.
#16 A Delahaye from 1947 - It's a 131
#33 Krauss-Maffei - Let's say KML 110 from 1959.
#1: Yes, all the info is right so far; 1 pt for that but when did Hills build the body, for that other point?
#12: Yes - I didn't know it was bodied by Gangloff so 2 pts for you for that one!
#14: Yes - all correct - 2 points
#16: Yes, it's a Delahaye 131 from 1947 - 1 point
#33: Krauss-Maffei KML 110 from 1959 is correct so that's another point.
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Preparing for the remaining work. But before : #25 is a Màvag-Mercedes-Benz BX333 in Budapest.
Almost (MAVAG/Budapest) but not the right model designation, or at least not the one I have..
Locked for you to dig a little more for designation and year.
My Hungarian is quite limited. Looking for this bus, I found interesting infos on an english site
"This very strange vehicle is pictured in the Szentendre bus and tram museum and I thought you would like to see it. It’s a petrol-engined coach converted into a tram - amazing! I know nothing about it or where it ran, although perhaps it was a war-time conversion."
BTW it describes it as a MÁVAG N2h/40 #333 from 1941.
Yes - another point for you!
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#22 A Berliet bodied by ?
I don't actually know the chassis/engine, only the bodybuilder and date.
If you can prove to me it's a Berliet I will award a point; 1 point awaits for the identity of the bodybuilder and when it was built!
It IS French though..
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#22 A Berliet bodied by ?
I don't actually know the chassis/engine, only the bodybuilder and date.
If you can prove to me it's a Berliet I will award a point; 1 point awaits for the identity of the bodybuilder and when it was built!
It IS French though..
That's just a guess. I can't prove it.
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We seem to have gone as far as we can with the Experts, so let's see how long it takes the Professionals to finish this one off..
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2: The complete name is Do56, and the coachbuilding company is missing so far: it was Waggonbau Bautzen. The Do56 was presented in 1956, built from 1957 to 1959 for BVG (East-Berlin), 9036 cc 120 hp Diesel engine of the IFA H6 truck, 105 Do56 built
3: The Biamax F600 was a trolleybus with CGE electricals, just 1 trolleybus built
5: This 1965 Fiat 306/3 fitted with the standard rounded Cansa bodywork, belonged to the SITA Campania fleet, carrying fleet number 2150.
8: 1929 Chevrolet LQ bus with Swedish body
9: This bus can be the above mentioned Zonda A9 YCK6129HGN, engine YC6L330-20 (330 hp). The same picture was used for the CNG derivative Qimu Power Technology QMB-12M-6129HGN-A9 with a Huachai BF6M1015CNG-34 engine (V6, 250 kW) on Zonda A9 chassis.
11: The White semi trailer bus is from the late 40s.
13: The Morris Motors Band Bus was bodied by Wadham.
24: The DAF with Renova body is from 1951.
29: D2 Doppeldecker, 1927, developped in 1924 by ABOAG Berlin together with Büssing and NAG. This one is a Büssing-built one. It has a Maybach OS 5 engine (6 cylinder, 7 litre, 70 hp). 350 built.
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#4 - Ambaari Sleeper Coach of the Karnataka State Road Transport Corp.
#10 - Biamax R514?
#15 - Albion Venturer CX19 with Roberts body H56R 1947
#28 - Gillig-Neoplan?
#31 - Sentinel STC6 with Sentinel body B44F 1953
#36 - Bristol with ECW body?
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#1: Body rebuilt by Hills in 1960
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26. Berliet cab 1917 duvslag
15. 1947 Leyland PD2/1 chassis, with a Leyland body
5 Mercedes Benz Coach
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26. Berliet cab 1917 duvslag
15. 1947 Leyland PD2/1 chassis, with a Leyland body
5 Mercedes Benz Coach
26. Yes! 1 point for you.
15. No
5. No
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Reverting on Wendax's and woodinsight's replies later today or tomorrow when I get the time.
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Wendax's answers:
2. Thanks for further info
3. Thanks for further info and I've given you 1 point for that bodybuilder
5. Yes! 2 points for you.
8. Yes - 1 point for ID
9. Thanks for further info
11. Thanks for the date - I'll give you 1 point for that.
13. 1 point for you for ID'ing the bodybuilder
24. Thanks for the date
29. Yes! 2 more points.
Later post:
1. Thanks for that date, but pguillem was supposed to give me it! I didn't actually say it's locked and perhaps I should have said another point would be awarded when he reverted with it. I will now give pguillem both points for ID'ing the bus and bodywork.
So that's 8 points for Wendax!
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#4 - Ambaari Sleeper Coach of the Karnataka State Road Transport Corp.
#10 - Biamax R514?
#15 - Albion Venturer CX19 with Roberts body H56R 1947
#28 - Gillig-Neoplan?
#31 - Sentinel STC6 with Sentinel body B44F 1953
#36 - Bristol with ECW body?
4: Yes - 1 point
10: No
15: Yes! 2 points
28: No
31. Yes! 2 points
36 Yes it's an ECW-bodied Bristol so there are potentially 2 points for you there hence it's locked for you to tell me what it's actually called so I can award them? A Bristol What?
Here's another picture of two to help you along; in the meantime I've given you 5 points.
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#20 looks like a Syd Mead illustration of a future bus.
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34. Ankai luxury coach powered by new energy
6. PURES bus is an award winning design concept from Korea. Concept solar powered electric buses purify air as they travel
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#36 - Bristol VRL/LH6L with ECW coach body CH42/18CT This one is probably c.1971 (prototype VRL introduced Earl's Court 1968)
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Very good Oguerrerob - another 2 points for you!
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#36 - Bristol VRL/LH6L with ECW coach body CH42/18CT This one is probably c.1971 (prototype VRL introduced Earl's Court 1968)
All this is probably not wrong, but the Bristol VRL as a double-deck coach built only for Standerwick had its own designation that it was known by! What is it?
Locked for your reply still..
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#33: The Krauss-Maffei KML110 pictured has a body by Krauss-Maffei itself. Up to 1954 the KML110 was built at NWF in Wilhelmshaven. Those NWF-built buses are recognizable by the four-piece windshield and smaller front roof windows. In 1954, the production was moved to Krauss-Maffei in Munich-Allach. This version had a two-piece windshield and larger front roof windows as can be seen in the picture.
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What about Otto´s #20 Syd Mead guess?
It would have been my answer, too.
BTW:
I´ve started a new book topic showing many nice Syd Mead designs like this:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=16166.0
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#36 - Bristol VRL/LH6L with ECW coach body CH42/18CT This one is probably c.1971 (prototype VRL introduced Earl's Court 1968)
All this is probably not wrong, but the Bristol VRL as a double-deck coach built only for Standerwick had its own designation that it was known by! What is it?
Locked for your reply still..
Looking at the specific type numbers for the Standerwick VRLs I can tell you what I have found -
Chassis nos. for the Standerwick dd coaches were VRL/LH2 and numbered 102 (1969) and 127-155 (1971-1972).
Other than that i don't know.
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What about Otto´s #20 Syd Mead guess?
It would have been my answer, too.
BTW:
I´ve started a new book topic showing many nice Syd Mead designs like this:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=16166.0
Sorry, yes, I should have said something but the truth is it's not the answer I have, so I have to find out all about Syd Mead and see if he was involved before I can say yeah or neah.
I'll do some research tomorrow when I have some time and answer that one then.
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#36 - Bristol VRL/LH6L with ECW coach body CH42/18CT This one is probably c.1971 (prototype VRL introduced Earl's Court 1968)
All this is probably not wrong, but the Bristol VRL as a double-deck coach built only for Standerwick had its own designation that it was known by! What is it?
Locked for your reply still..
Looking at the specific type numbers for the Standerwick VRLs I can tell you what I have found -
Chassis nos. for the Standerwick dd coaches were VRL/LH2 and numbered 102 (1969) and 127-155 (1971-1972).
Other than that i don't know.
Sorry woodinsight but it's still not the exact answer I'm looking for!
But you're so very nearly there that I can't throw it open. It should be very easy to find out the answer so have another go...
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#20 looks like a Syd Mead illustration of a future bus.
I haven't been able to ascertain that this was his work, but I would say it's highly likely that it was.
If you can tell me who he did it for, as that is the name of the design (***** Advanced Bus Styling Rendering), I can give you your point.
Locked for Otto!
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#36 - Bristol VRL/LH6L with ECW coach body CH42/18CT This one is probably c.1971 (prototype VRL introduced Earl's Court 1968)
All this is probably not wrong, but the Bristol VRL as a double-deck coach built only for Standerwick had its own designation that it was known by! What is it?
Locked for your reply still..
Looking at the specific type numbers for the Standerwick VRLs I can tell you what I have found -
Chassis nos. for the Standerwick dd coaches were VRL/LH2 and numbered 102 (1969) and 127-155 (1971-1972).
Other than that i don't know.
Sorry woodinsight but it's still not the exact answer I'm looking for!
But you're so very nearly there that I can't throw it open. It should be very easy to find out the answer so have another go...
I guess what you're looking for is "VRLL"?
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I guess what you're looking for is "VRLL"?
I am indeed!
So now I can give you 2 points for #36
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#10 - coachwork by Caetano?
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I'd like to narrow things down and would like to know if #23 is from the USA
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#10 - coachwork by Caetano?
I don't actually know who built the body; don't think it was Caetano, but it might have been.
I'd like to narrow things down and would like to know if #23 is from the USA
No
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#32 Is it a Barreiros ? It looks like the Berliet GAK made in Portugal by Barreiros.
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#10 - Utic?
#23 - CanCar (CCF)?
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#32 Is it a Barreiros ? It looks like the Berliet GAK made in Portugal by Barreiros.
Not Barreiros, Berliet or Portuguese!
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#10 - Utic?
#23 - CanCar (CCF)?
Sorry, no and no!
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#10 An Eagle bodied by Jonckheere ?
#23 From Japan ?
#32 From India ?
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#32: Volvo with Saracakis body
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#10 An Eagle bodied by Jonckheere ?
#23 From Japan ?
#32 From India ?
#10: Not Eagle; regarding the body, as I said before I don't know who built the body, but Jonckheere is a definite possibility.
#23 is from Japan, yes!
#32 is not from India.
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#23 - Hino c.1953?
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#32: Volvo with Saracakis body
Don't know who built the body; Saracakis is a possibility.
It's not a Volvo though.
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#23 - Hino c.1953?
No, it's not a Hino.
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#32: Volvo with Saracakis body
Don't know who built the body; Saracakis is a possibility.
It's not a Volvo though.
#32: Is it a Mercedes-Benz?
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#32 A Renault ?
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#32 - Scania-Vabis?
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#32: Is it a Mercedes-Benz?
#32 A Renault ?
#32 - Scania-Vabis?
At the risk of sounding like Margaret Thatcher: No, No, No!
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#32: Leyland?
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#32: Leyland?
No.
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32 - AEC?
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#23 Isuzu ?
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32 - AEC?
No,
#23 Isuzu ?
and no again!
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#10 A Guy Victory U.F. Easy, easy ! Made by Guy Motor Coach, Belgium. Probably bodied by Jonckheere.
#32 A Guy Warrior in Greece. Yes, Yes, Yes !
#23 A Nissan ?
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#10 A Guy Victory U.F. Easy, easy ! Made by Guy Motor Coach, Belgium. Probably bodied by Jonckheere.
#32 A Guy Warrior in Greece. Yes, Yes, Yes !
#23 A Nissan ?
Aha - we are making progress!
Yes, #10 is a Guy Victory U.F. but don't know about Guy Motors being in Belgium? They were British.. you're probably right about the body but can't find any confirmation of this (there's another point in it for you if you can show me any proof of it being built by Jonckheere?)
And #32 is indeed a Guy Warrior in Greece - but I don't have any more information than that.
But #23 is not a Nissan.
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And #32 is indeed a Guy Warrior in Greece - but I don't have any more information than that.
Since the bus is heading to Korydallos, it must have been in Athens, at least.
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#23 - Mitsubishi?
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#23 - Mitsubishi?
No. There can't be many left..!
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#23: Minsei Condor
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#23: Minsei Condor
No.
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#23 - Isuzu BU?
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Aha - we are making progress!
Yes, #10 is a Guy Victory U.F. but don't know about Guy Motors being in Belgium? They were British.. you're probably right about the body but can't find any confirmation of this (there's another point in it for you if you can show me any proof of it being built by Jonckheere?)
If you Google "Guy Motor Coach, Belgium", you'll find the info. There is a photograph of another belgian Guy Victory bodied by Jonckheere, hence my guess. But you are probably right : these buses were made in Britain and bodied in Belgium. Some of them are very intriguing.
#23 Toyota DR15 from 1961 ?
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Aha - we are making progress!
Yes, #10 is a Guy Victory U.F. but don't know about Guy Motors being in Belgium? They were British.. you're probably right about the body but can't find any confirmation of this (there's another point in it for you if you can show me any proof of it being built by Jonckheere?)
If you Google "Guy Motor Coach, Belgium", you'll find the info. There is a photograph of another belgian Guy Victory bodied by Jonckheere, hence my guess. But you are probably right : these buses were made in Britain and bodied in Belgium. Some of them are very intriguing.
#23 Toyota DR15 from 1961 ?
#23 is a Toyota, yes, but not a DR15; it's much earlier than 1961.
The Guy Victory was a lovely coach introduced in 1958, and was made available as a chassis for bodying in the UK, Europe and "Commonwealth countries"! It had an advanced specification for its time, competitive with European coaches, in contrast with most of the agricultural stuff the British manufacturers insisted on keeping on making. It didn't help them in the end of course, as the went the way of most of the British motor industry...
There are pictures of various European-bodied ones, some of which were doubtless bodied by Jonckheere, and very attractive coaches they are too. But there is no mention at all of who bodied them, so it's pure guesswork!
Below are a few more details of the Victory from their contemporary literature:
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#28 - Drogmoller E440 Meteor? (production commenced 1982/3)
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Below are a few more details of the Victory from their contemporary literature:
This one is very Van Hool-ish.
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#28 - Drogmoller E440 Meteor? (production commenced 1982/3)
Indeed it is!
Still one or two left..
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#27 - USA?
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#27 - USA?
Yes!
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#27 - GM TDH early 1950s - converted for ?
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#27 - GM TDH early 1950s - converted for ?
That's not the one, although there is a GMC involvement.
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#27 - perhaps earlier than the 1950s so possibly Yellow Coach?
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#27 - perhaps earlier than the 1950s so possibly Yellow Coach?
It is earlier than the 1950s, but it's not a Yellow Coach.
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Mack?
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Mack?
No.
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#20 is only tagged as an "Ford Advanced Styling Rendering" from the mid-sixties.
Looking at the style I highly doubt that it's one of Syd Mead's paintings.
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That earns you 1 point!
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27. 1942 Twin Coach
Photo:Model: 1942 - Photo: October, 2001 at TARTA garage
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Another point for Oguerrerob!
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Only #18, 22 & 23 to go.
Come on guys!
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#22 - AEC Regal with a Dutch body?
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#22 - AEC Regal with a Dutch body?
Sorry, no. It's neither an AEC nor Dutch bodied.
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British chassis with a Belgian body?
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British chassis with a Belgian body?
That's a good question.
I'm not actually sure what the chassis is, I just assumed it's not an AEC because of the bodybuilder - who isn't Belgian!
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British chassis with a Belgian body?
That's a good question.
I'm not actually sure what the chassis is, I just assumed it's not an AEC because of the bodybuilder - who isn't Belgian!
Portuguese ?
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French?
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French?
Yes - the bodybuilder is French.
And I would say it's highly likely that the engine and chassis are, too.
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Antem?
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Antem?
No.
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Chausson?
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Chausson?
No. Very obscure...
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Belle-Clot?
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Belle-Clot?
How does that translate, I wonder?
Sorry to say I've never heard of them - and that isn't the right answer!
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Grange Freres?
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Amiot?
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Grange Freres?
...is the right answer!
It's a coach bodied in 1946 by Grange Freres of Valence, but the chassis is unknown.
Another point for woodinsight!
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Amiot?
Sorry Wendax.
You'll have to concentrate on #s 18 & 23 now!
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The Grange Frères bus is probably a Rochet-Schneider. The front emblem looks much like it.
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Wow - that's worth 1 point if I'm satisfied it's right!
Perhaps you could post a picture of their emblem?
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#18 - British chassis such as Guy?
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#18 - British chassis such as Guy?
Yes, it's a British chassis; not Guy, though.
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Wow - that's worth 1 point if I'm satisfied it's right!
Perhaps you could post a picture of their emblem?
Quite difficult to find something appropriate online. The emblem consists of three parts: a left trapezoidal carrying the name ROCHET, a small heraldic middle carrying the interwoven R and S, and a right trapezoidal carrying the name SCHNEIDER. It seems that the post-WWII Rochet-Schneider with works front had the RS decal above the other two. But an independent coachbuilder as Grange Frères could have changed that. And I found a picture of a Rochet-Schneider Phoebus bus with a body by Besset where this was done just as on the puzzle bus. But unfortunately, this picture isn't online, just on good old paper in the book "Camions de France - Troisième Époque" by Jean Gabriel Jeudy. I attach some Rochet-Schneider pictures to show what I mean. Another indicator is the grill with many slim horizontal chrome bars and one vertical center chrome bar. Most Rochet-Schneider after WWII had this. And finally, Rochet-Schneider was located in Lyon, only about 75 km away from Valence, where Grange Frères resided. Now it's up to you to accept my "assumption with foundation", even if it no final proof. ;)
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#18 A Dennis ?
#23 :nerves:
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#18 - Leyland?
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Pic 18 is a Scammell Contractor with dual purpose bodywork for passengers and freight, one of 15 built for South African Railways or 'Suid-Afrikaanse Spoorweesee' in Afrikaans (the original photo shows 'SAS' above the number plate). The Scammell Contractor was designed as a heavy haulage tractor for gross weights up to 240 tons so this must be the most sturdily constructed bus ever!
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Pic 18 is a Scammell Contractor with dual purpose bodywork for passengers and freight, one of 15 built for South African Railways or 'Suid-Afrikaanse Spoorweesee' in Afrikaans (the original photo shows 'SAS' above the number plate). The Scammell Contractor was designed as a heavy haulage tractor for gross weights up to 240 tons so this must be the most sturdily constructed bus ever!
Yesss!!! Super Rookie !!! But SAS means "Suid-Afrikaanse Spoorwee".
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Pic 18 is a Scammell Contractor with dual purpose bodywork for passengers and freight, one of 15 built for South African Railways or 'Suid-Afrikaanse Spoorweesee' in Afrikaans (the original photo shows 'SAS' above the number plate). The Scammell Contractor was designed as a heavy haulage tractor for gross weights up to 240 tons so this must be the most sturdily constructed bus ever!
Good digging!
It was actually powered by a Cummins NH220 212 bhp diesel engine.
Here's another picture of it for interest:
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Just that Toyota #23 to positively ID now!
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#23 - I'll have a guess although I haven't seen a photo of it.
Toyota Kiso Coach, an advanced full-fronted vehicle with an underfloor-mounted Hercules engine c.1935/36?
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#23 - I'll have a guess although I haven't seen a photo of it.
Toyota Kiso Coach, an advanced full-fronted vehicle with an underfloor-mounted Hercules engine c.1935/36?
No. It's a bit later than that (post-war).
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It is the Toyota BW from 1949.
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It is indeed (although I had it as 1950, which is also the caption on your photo!)
Very well done.
This puzzle is now as complete as I think it can be but if anyone has anything more to add to any of them they are more than welcome to do so, and might even earn a point or two for their efforts!
Thanks for taking part and well done to all the successful puzzlers - particularly pguillem. I'll have to make them harder next time!
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It is indeed (although I had it as 1950, which is also the caption on your photo!)
The source is from 1950, but the picture of the monocoque structure is dated 1949-2-22, so I think the bus was finished in 1949.
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And to answer Wendax on the chassis for #22, you may well be right but I don't want to write it in unless I know it really is correct, or I could put it in with a question mark. I'm not 100% convinced you have it, but then I don't have an alternative..
Here is the original of the picture I used for the puzzle, for interest: