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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2009, 03:43:18 PM »
As far as I know it wasn't Hans A. Muth. And there is another (Italian) name on the web, wrong as well!
But you found the correct make of the built prototype.
The sketch was penned for a completely different brand. Unfortunately it was never built.

Here is the Volkswagen by Karmann:
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2009, 03:47:17 PM »
I found this in 'Markt' Sonderheft #4 (1987), a special about prototypes. But it isn't the first time information from this magazine turned out to be wrong  :(
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2009, 03:51:15 PM »
So back to the origin...is this make european?
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2009, 03:52:51 PM »
I have this issue as well. back then they weren't too accurate about their investigations.

BUT: it's not always easy to give a definete statement about authorship of car designs.
Quite often the official stories differs from the inofficial..
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2009, 03:55:14 PM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on July 11, 2009, 03:51:15 PM
I know this car...but Volkswagen is not correct, I'm afraid...

Volkswagen is correct, but the authorship of the "official" design is wrong.
VW Museum Wolfsburg still claims it was G. Giugiaro....
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2009, 03:56:22 PM »
What is left to find? The original make of the proposal? I suppose is another make of the Volkswagen Group, not a German one, so...Skoda  ;D ? Seriously, I'll say Seat.
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2009, 03:56:35 PM »
The make is European! :)
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2009, 03:57:26 PM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on July 11, 2009, 03:56:22 PM
I suppose is another make of the Volkswagen Group, not a German one, so...Skoda  ;D ?

precisely not! ;D
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2009, 03:58:23 PM »
Seat?
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 04:00:28 PM »
In the original front view sketch make and designation are written on the grille/plate, but I had to veil it with Photoshop
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2009, 04:01:01 PM »
Seat is Volkswagen Group ;D
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2009, 04:08:30 PM »
The designer is Michelotti.
The sketch was for a brand (yet to be found) and later used for a german brand (Karmann-Volkswagen) that is different from the original one but of the same manufacturer but not German...if the final car is a Volkswagen, the misterious one should be one of the non-german Volkgswagen brand...Skoda or Seat....
Were am I wrong?
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2009, 04:18:09 PM »
The manufacturer was Karmann  ;), the make of the built car was Volkswagen (German), the brand of the sketched car is neiter German nor from any of other Volkswagen-Group make. It is European.
Karmann was the builder/manufacturer who was commisioned to built this Michelotti design for brand X, as well!

What's the name of this make and for which model was it sketched?
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2009, 04:24:04 PM »
Thank You.
Italian - French - British - German Daf?
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2009, 04:26:07 PM »
Great! Daf is correct!!  :)
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2009, 04:28:17 PM »
Daffodil Sport Coupe  ;D
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2009, 04:31:47 PM »
No!
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2009, 04:35:57 PM »
Found it...Daf 55!
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Re: Sketched.
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2009, 04:38:12 PM »
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
That was fun!  :)
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Re: Solved: Sketched. - Karmann sketch of a Daf 55 designed by Michelotti
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2009, 04:55:58 PM »
It wasn't unusual to use the same design for different makes, but the alleged VW-Karmann-Giugiaro connection is still a mystery to me.
The finshed car for VW (Type 1 based) had asymmetrical designs on both sides. It was built 1965, but the Daf sketches are seemingly from 1966/67.
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Re: Solved: Sketched. - Karmann sketch of a Daf 55 designed by Michelotti
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2011, 09:24:58 AM »
I don't think the drawings look like Giugiaro's, unlike this one for the Cheetah
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Re: Solved: Sketched. - Karmann sketch of a Daf 55 designed by Michelotti
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2011, 09:31:55 AM »
The Volkswagen museum in Wolfsburg captioned the silver (asymmetrical) car as one of Giugiaro's works. I have my doubts as well.
In my opinion it's a Michelotti design he used for several occasions.., but still can't confirm.
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