Here you are 33 streamliner cars.
All of them of the 30's with 3 exceptions (one car is from 1929, one from 1942 and one from 1943)
I know many of these are reposts, but I like to have them all togheter!
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Points will be added at the end ;) )
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Timeline:
1929- Hungerford Rocket ftg3plus4
1930- Hariss Steam prototype jotage21
1931- Bell Geddes motorcar jotage21
1932- Arrow Plane Ray B.
1932- Martin Aerodynamic pguillem
1932- Bergholt Streamline pguillem
1933- Fuller Dymaxion I Airflow ftg3plus4
1933- Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow sedan pguillem
1934- McQuay-Norris Streamliner ftg3plus4
1934- Bendix pguillem
1934- Briggs sedan by Tjaarda DynaMyke
1935- Tjaarda Sterkenburg DynaMyke
1935- Mystery Car Electric jotage21
1935- Diehl streamliner jotage21
1935- Hoppe & Streuer streamliner jotage21
1936- Harris Front Drive Special ftg3plus4
1936- Stout Scarab ftg3plus4
1936- Arrowhead Teardrop Car ftg3plus4
1936- Richard Crossley's Aerocoupe ftg3plus4
1936- Tucker streamliner jotage21
1936- Bridges jotage21
1936- Parker Sedan jotage21
1937- Lewis Airomobile prototype ftg3plus4
1937- Christman-Quiggle Streamliner pguillem
1937- Cricket Nr 3 jotage21
1937- Pribil Housecar jotage21
1938- Vacca streamliner jotage21
1938- Heinz Comet Allemano
1938- Branstrator Ray B.
1939- Thomas streamlined coupe jotage21
1939- Hunt House-Car jotage21
1942- Lusk Cycle Bus jotage21
1943- Russel Streamline Ray B.
I saw this post but didn't note the author. When I opened it, I took one look and said "I wonder who posted this. Could it have been Paul Jaray?"
Yep. It could only have been Paul Jaray.
Wonderful puzzle. Worthy of your namesake. :applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you!
After the italian coachbuilders, I noticed that there is much interest also around streamliner, so....
Mr Paul,
Boy, you were not kidding me.
Guess I will hit some of my books, notes and old pictures.
Never seen sooooo many in one spot before, great job!!!
It is so nice to have a catagory for steamliners, might they also be coined, Aero's and Teardrop's also?
Question, not to break order, wasn't an early teen Rumpler credited by Historians as being the very first attempt at a Aero Car?
John
The 1921 Rumpler was one of the first, but what about the 1899 Jenatzy or 1902 Baker or 1902 Serpollet, for example?
BTW while you are here, why don't you try to guess these cars? I'm sure you know at least one of them...
s1 - 1933 Fuller Dymaxion
s25 - 1936(?) Scout Scarab
s29 - 1937 Lewis Airomobile
...and isn't s26 the Harris Front Drive Special that was recently solved?
s1 - correct
s25 - are you absolutely sure?
s26 - correct
s29 - correct
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 15, 2009, 03:25:41 PM
s25 - are you absolutely sure?
Sorry, I meant to type "
Stout Scarab".
No doubt about!
s4 - 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car
(which, like the Harris Special, I only know because I saw it at Auto Puzzles!)
Correct!
I was worried about the high number of reposts, but all the points will be added at the end, and some of these are quite obscure...
Found another:
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
I think that covers just about all the low-hanging fruit...
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on April 15, 2009, 05:55:19 PM
Found another:
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
I think that covers just about all the low-hanging fruit...
Correct!
there are still a lot of big juicy fruits to be taken...
BTW, you wrote my name twice above as "fgt" instead of "ftg". Don't want you giving my hard-earned points to some nonexistent ID now!
I'm sorry, it happens all the time...but I was wrong only 1 time, then I just made copy and paste of the same error! ;D
s1 - 1933 Fuller Dymaxion I Airflow
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
s3 - 1932 Bergholt Streamline
s4 - 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car
s5 - 1932 Martin Aerodynamic
s21 - 1937 Christman & Quiggle Streamliner
s22 - 1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow sedan
s25 - 1936 Stout Scarab
s26 - 1936 Harris Front Drive Special
s29 - 1937 Lewis Airomobile prototype
s32 - 1934 Bendix
Going for some low-hanging fruits...
s22 Bendix 34
s29 Lewis 37 Airomobile 1
s32 Pierce-Arrow 33 Silver Arrow
Quote from: pguillem on April 15, 2009, 06:45:31 PM
Going for some low-hanging fruits...
s22 Bendix 34
s29 Lewis 37 Airomobile 1
s32 Pierce-Arrow 33 Silver Arrow
s22 correct
s29 was already correct!
s32 correct
Some more...
s3 Bergholt 32 Streamline
s5 Martin 28 Aerodynamic
s21 Christman & Quiggle 38 Streamliner
s3 Correct
s3 Correct, but it is from 1932 this..
s21 Correct, but I've this listed as 1937..
I hope there would be something left from what I know when (if) the puzzle will be moved. Great one! I always liked this type of cars.
I think 20 of them will be quite easy, then the rest will be a bit harder...
I will move it soon...
Found some more right here on the site as well:
s11 - 1929 Hungerford Rocket.
s20 - Richard Crossley's 1936 Aerocoupe
Alright, since nobody else is taking a chance, I'll move it now!
s11 - 1929 Hungerford Rocket.
s20 - Richard Crossley's 1936 Aerocoupe
Both correct!
s1 - 1933 Fuller Dymaxion I Airflow
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
s3 - 1932 Bergholt Streamline
s4 - 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car
s5 - 1932 Martin Aerodynamic
s7 - 1936 Tucker
s8 - 1939 Hunt House-Car
s9 - 1930 Hariss Steam prototype
s10 - 1935 Hoppe & Streuer streamliner
s11 - 1929 Hungerford Rocket
s12 - 1935 Diehl streamliner
s13 - 1939 Thomas streamlined coupe
s14 - 1935 Mystery Car Electric
s15 - 1942 Lusk Cycle Bus
s16 - 1937 Pribil Housecar
s18 - 1935 Tjaarda Sterkenburg
s19 - 1932 Arrow Plane
s20 - 1936 Richard Crossley's Aerocoupe
s21 - 1937 Christman & Quiggle Streamliner
s22 - 1934 Bendix
s23 - 1937 Cricket Nr 3
s24 - 1931 Bell Geddes motorcar
s25 - 1936 Stout Scarab
s26 - 1936 Harris Front Drive Special
s27 - 1938 Vacca streamliner
s29 - 1937 Lewis Airomobile prototype
s30 - 1938 Heinz Comet
s31 - 1931 Briggs sedan by Tjaarda
s32 - 1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow sedan
s33 - 1936 Bridges
s18 is the Sterkenburg by John Tjaarda. Not sure about the year, though.
s31 looks like the 1934 car that John Tjaarda made for Briggs.
The answer "1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow" belongs to s32, not to s22 ;)
Quote from: DynaMike on April 16, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
s31 looks like the 1934 car that John Tjaarda made for Briggs.
Weren't you tired of the same old pic?
Quote from: DynaMike on April 16, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
s18 is the Sterkenburg by John Tjaarda. Not sure about the year, though.
Yes! This wasn't so easy! You have a gooood eye! About the years, no problem, some of them are known, others not. I found this in a '35 magazine.
Quote from: DynaMike on April 16, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
The answer "1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow" belongs to s32, not to s22 ;)
You are right...I need a break!
About the Sterkenburg, I found that John Tjaarda started designing it in 1926. But they didn't tell when the version shown here was finished. Automobilia - la revue de l'histoire automobile, #69, juillet - août 2004. In the same magazine they show the Briggs by Tjaarda, but without a proper name. Both are regarded as prototypes that eventually result in the Lincoln Zephyr.
Can you post a better pic for that?
I'd like to, but since I still live in the Middle Ages, I don't have a scanner nor a digital camera... I'll ask a friend of mine to make some scans or pics, but I'm not sure when that will be, since he's a busy man...
The Sterkenburg pic is a drawing seen from above (bird's view); the Briggs car is shown in several pics taken on the 1934 Chicago exhibition "Century of Progress" (Briggs stand), also with an interior shot and two shots of the (Ford) V8 engine. They say that the engine is behind the rear axle ('en porte à faux'), but it is clearly visible that it is placed in front of it. there is also a picture of John Tjaarda in front of the car, in a later configuration with air intakes in front of the rear fenders and with 'normal' headlights (like on your pic) - the car had sort of semi-built-in headlights when it was exhibited in Chicago.
In another boek ("Amerikaanse Automobielen 1929-1949" by Frank van der Heul, Uitgeverij Elmar, Rijswijk 1990) i found the same pic of the Sterkenburg as yours, but in a very bad quality (too much contrast).
s8 - Hunt House-Car
s9 - Hariss Steam, 1930´s
s12 - Diehl 1935
s16 - Pribil Housecar
s23 - Cricket Nr 3, 1937
s24 - Bell Geddes
s13 - Thomas 1939
s33 - Bridges 1936
s10 - Hoppe & Streuer 1935
s15 - Lusk Cycle Bus, 1942
s14 - Mystery Car Electric 1935
s7 - Tucker 1936
s27 - Vacca 1938
:o
s7 - Tucker 1936
s8 - Hunt House-Car 1939
s9 - Hariss Steam prototype 1930
s10 - Hoppe & Streuer streamliner 1935
s12 - Diehl streamliner 1935
s13 - Thomas streamlined coupe 1939
s14 - Mystery Car Electric 1935
s15 - Lusk Cycle Bus, 1942
s16 - Pribil Housecar 1937
s23 - Cricket Nr 3, 1937
s24 - Bell Geddes motorcar 1931
s27 - Vacca streamliner 1938
s33 - Bridges 1936
Correct x 13!
before it's too late...
only s6, s17, s19 and s28 left!
wrong section! please can someone move this to the pro's?
s 19 is the Arrowplane (all I've got now, have to search further).
1932. Build under the auspices of Lyman Voelpel of Chicago.
s19 - Correct!
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 17, 2009, 09:03:17 AM
before it's too late...
only s6, s17, s19 and s28 left!
wrong section! please can someone move this to the pro's?
Did you forget this or am I too blind to see? :-\
s30 - Rust Heinz' Autocar Comet (1938)
think it's a repost, but wasn't mentioned here before!
Quote from: Allemano on April 17, 2009, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 17, 2009, 09:03:17 AM
before it's too late...
only s6, s17, s19 and s28 left!
wrong section! please can someone move this to the pro's?
Did you forget this or am I too blind to see? :-\
s30 - Rust Heinz' Autocar Comet (1938)
think it's a repost, but wasn't mentioned here before!
s30 - correct.
I know many of these are reposts, but it's nice to have all the american streamliners of the 30s toghether, isn't it?
You are not too blind too see, I am missing some pieces....
s6, s17 and s28 to go!
If I remember correctly there's a 30ies streamliner on my HD at home that wasn't posted here before...
More after a break.... ;)
It will be great if everyone continues this collection...I was going to add the "mustang", but can't find a valid source for its year...
Paul,
Have a question.
Harris had the car licensed, registered and titled in 1935.
He drove it around shaking the birdcage and drivetrain down.
Believe that part of the actual sheetmetal was on the car,
In 1936 they finished the body and prepped for paint.
Sooooo, with relevance to the topic and in general.
What Year would a person label the Harris Car, 1935 or 1936 ???????
I think it had something to do between him and Buehrig, chicken and egg thing Tuckeroo mentioned in another topic area.
John
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 17, 2009, 12:09:28 PM
It will be great if everyone continues this collection...I was going to add the "mustang", but can't find a valid source for its year...
Exactly the car I had in mind! :D
Quote from: motorcar1 on April 17, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Paul,
Have a question.
Harris had the car licensed, registered and titled in 1935.
He drove it around shaking the birdcage and drivetrain down.
Believe that part of the actual sheetmetal was on the car,
In 1936 they finished the body and prepped for paint.
Sooooo, with relevance to the topic and in general.
What Year would a person label the Harris Car, 1935 or 1936 ???????
I think it had something to do between him and Buehrig, chicken and egg thing Tuckeroo mentioned in another topic area.
John
About the year I took the one that is reported in the books and magazines, but I'm sure You know more than everyone!
I think, since it was not a production car, the year should be the one the car was completed in.
AFAIK Lewis' car was called Airomobile, not Aeromobile, while the Bridges was dubbed Lightning Bug. Pity that all the cars I knew have already been guessed :-\
Fixed, thanks.
No point for this but...
Any more info about 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car?
Plenty:
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 19, 2009, 10:20:09 AM
No point for this but...
..it's a Phantom Corsair. Great looking car, to be mentioned.
Indeed, don't know why I forgot to put in this puzzle...
Another one (and a former puzzle)
And another.
I'm both O/T and begging a favour now , but if anyone has anymore than this on the ' Coupe Aerodinamica ' by Pinin Farina on a 6C 2300 Pescara, they would have my profound gratitude as well as having brought pleasure to others as well - forgive my bad form but it has become an (-other) obsession, and this is surely the forum to ask ...
steven
Stay tuned...
... and the 1932 Reo Doodlebug!
I found 7 designs of Pininfarina on a Pescara chassis, and even more on the 2300B chassis, but I'm pretty sure the first one (Archive's number PF189) is the one You asked (BTW I have pictures of all of them ready to be posted):
#1 Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara Aerodinamica 1936 (PF189)
#2 Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara Coupe Aerodinamico 1935 (PF162)
#3 Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara Coupe Aerodinamico 1935 (PF167)
#4 Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara Coupe Aerodinamico 1937 (PF233)
omg yes thats the one - imo the source of at least the Embiricos Bentley, Lancefield Lagonda and Pourtout Delage if not the F&F Talbots
many, many thanks
- here, have a streamliner -
After the patent drawing, the real thing:
I posted only the American Streamliner of the 30s, but we can continue the list with the ones form the 40s...probably I'll post another group puzzle!
One more:
It's great. I would be also very thankful for Fageol's Twin Porsche pictures. I have only one too small photograph. It's not from 30s/40s, but since another Lou Fageol's car was mentioned...
it looks a bit Corsair too ... it isn't William Fageol, as in NXI/NKI/Metropolitan?
i'm surprised the Dubonnet Dolphin didn't appear yet - must have missed american streamliners being specified - does anyone have a (contemporary) one of the Dubonnet Xenia for comparison with the Tasco (The American Sportscar Co. ...)?
ps this is the only other shot of that alfa i have seen...
Quote from: Ray B. on April 20, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
After the patent drawing, the real thing:
In color!
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/Tasco%20Color.jpg)
sorry i'll try that again ...
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(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9928/c2cv4.th.jpg) (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2cv4.jpg)
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Don't forget there are still 3 unsolved here...
s1 - 1933 Fuller Dymaxion I Airflow
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
s3 - 1932 Bergholt Streamline
s4 - 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car
s5 - 1932 Martin Aerodynamic
s6 - 1936 Parker sedan
s7 - 1936 Tucker
s8 - 1939 Hunt House-Car
s9 - 1930 Hariss Steam prototype
s10 - 1935 Hoppe & Streuer streamliner
s11 - 1929 Hungerford Rocket
s12 - 1935 Diehl streamliner
s13 - 1939 Thomas streamlined coupe
s14 - 1935 Mystery Car Electric
s15 - 1942 Lusk Cycle Bus
s16 - 1937 Pribil Housecar
s17 - ???
s18 - 1935 Tjaarda Sterkenburg
s19 - 1932 Arrow Plane
s20 - 1936 Richard Crossley's Aerocoupe
s21 - 1937 Christman & Quiggle Streamliner
s22 - 1934 Bendix
s23 - 1937 Cricket Nr 3
s24 - 1931 Bell Geddes motorcar
s25 - 1936 Stout Scarab
s26 - 1936 Harris Front Drive Special
s27 - 1938 Vacca streamliner
s28 - ???
s29 - 1937 Lewis Airomobile prototype
s30 - 1938 Heinz Comet
s31 - 1931 Briggs sedan by Tjaarda
s32 - 1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow sedan
s33 - 1936 Bridges
Quote from: faksta on April 20, 2009, 01:29:21 PM
It's great. I would be also very thankful for Fageol's Twin Porsche pictures. I have only one too small photograph. It's not from 30s/40s, but since another Lou Fageol's car was mentioned...
ok, but then let's focus on the missing ones!
Thanks, but It doesn't open :-[
I'll try to upload again, but is it like this only for you?
I don't know :) I can see no thumbnail, and after clicking 'open picture in new tab' it loads only the upper half of the photo.
here you are:
Awesome! Thanks!
s6 - Parker 1936
Yes!
#6 Parker sedan 1936.
Only 2 left...
These points are waiting for you...
jotage21 = 14 points
ftg3plus4 = 8 points
pguillem = 5 points
DynaMyke = 2 points
Ray B. = 1 point
Allemano = 1 point
some clues:
s17 - this car was very popular at the time and was featured in a lot of magazines.
s28 - the creator of this car was better known for other commercial vehicles and buses
s17- Probably you are more familiar with the later version of this car...
Quote from: Paul Jaray on June 08, 2009, 05:33:08 PM
s17- Probably you are more familiar with the later version of this car...
Is 17 an early mock-up of a Stout Scarab?
Not that, but at least two of you know this car...I'll post the other pic when at least #28 will be found.
#28 Under this name you'll find commercial vehicles and buses...
OK, here you are:
I don't know what's missing.
s17 - Featured several times in different magazines and in a well known book that at least a couple of us have got.
s28 - Commercial vehicle and buses maker
s28: french designer?
The name doesn't sound french at all....
#17 is Ray Russell's plastic bodied car. I don't know exatcly in what year it was built, but it was featured in a december 1941 magazine. He then made another called the Gadabout, seen in your "Bunch of Cars" puzzle.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on May 21, 2009, 06:43:39 AM
s28 - the creator of this car was better known for other commercial vehicles and buses
Do you mean the manufacturer or the designer?
Quote from: Ray B. on August 18, 2009, 04:35:24 AM
#17 is Ray Russell's plastic bodied car. I don't know exatcly in what year it was built, but it was featured in a december 1941 magazine. He then made another called the Gadabout, seen in your "Bunch of Cars" puzzle.
Actually this one was made of plywood and I thought it was from 1943, but you found it!
Quote from: Ray B. on August 18, 2009, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on May 21, 2009, 06:43:39 AM
s28 - the creator of this car was better known for other commercial vehicles and buses
Do you mean the manufacturer or the designer?
I've got one name for this, and it's the manufacturer's name.
This one is from 1955
s1 - 1933 Fuller Dymaxion I Airflow
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
s3 - 1932 Bergholt Streamline
s4 - 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car
s5 - 1932 Martin Aerodynamic
s6 - 1936 Parker Sedan
s7 - 1936 Tucker
s8 - 1939 Hunt House-Car
s9 - 1930 Hariss Steam prototype
s10 - 1935 Hoppe & Streuer streamliner
s11 - 1929 Hungerford Rocket
s12 - 1935 Diehl streamliner
s13 - 1939 Thomas streamlined coupe
s14 - 1935 Mystery Car Electric
s15 - 1942 Lusk Cycle Bus
s16 - 1937 Pribil Housecar
s17 - 1943 Russel Streamline
s18 - 1935 Tjaarda Sterkenburg
s19 - 1932 Arrow Plane
s20 - 1936 Richard Crossley's Aerocoupe
s21 - 1937 Christman & Quiggle Streamliner
s22 - 1934 Bendix
s23 - 1937 Cricket Nr 3
s24 - 1931 Bell Geddes motorcar
s25 - 1936 Stout Scarab
s26 - 1936 Harris Front Drive Special
s27 - 1938 Vacca streamliner
s28 - ???
s29 - 1937 Lewis Airomobile prototype
s30 - 1938 Heinz Comet
s31 - 1931 Briggs sedan by Tjaarda
s32 - 1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow sedan
s33 - 1936 Bridges
33 points are waiting.
Only one name is missing.
This company was active in commercial vehicles and buses.
The trailers pictures came from a site about period trailers.
The name doesn't sound french at all, more German, but that's just my impression and this firm is American.
Well, I've found the name of the company who made s28: the Branstrator Body Company. But that doesn't tell me the car's name.
You found it! :applause: :applause:
This car was designed by Grover Branstrator, and that's enough for me!
I'll award the points as soon as possible!
..and another one is gone...
jotage21 = 14 points
ftg3plus4 = 8 points
pguillem = 5 points
Ray B. = 3 point
DynaMyke = 2 points
Allemano = 1 point
s1 - 1933 Fuller Dymaxion I Airflow
s2 - 1934 McQuay-Norris Streamliner
s3 - 1932 Bergholt Streamline
s4 - 1936 Arrowhead Teardrop Car
s5 - 1932 Martin Aerodynamic
s6 - 1936 Parker Sedan
s7 - 1936 Tucker
s8 - 1939 Hunt House-Car
s9 - 1930 Hariss Steam prototype
s10 - 1935 Hoppe & Streuer streamliner
s11 - 1929 Hungerford Rocket
s12 - 1935 Diehl streamliner
s13 - 1939 Thomas streamlined coupe
s14 - 1935 Mystery Car Electric
s15 - 1942 Lusk Cycle Bus
s16 - 1937 Pribil Housecar
s17 - 1943 Russel Streamline
s18 - 1935 Tjaarda Sterkenburg
s19 - 1932 Arrow Plane
s20 - 1936 Richard Crossley's Aerocoupe
s21 - 1937 Christman & Quiggle Streamliner
s22 - 1934 Bendix
s23 - 1937 Cricket Nr 3
s24 - 1931 Bell Geddes motorcar
s25 - 1936 Stout Scarab
s26 - 1936 Harris Front Drive Special
s27 - 1938 Vacca streamliner
s28 - 1938 Branstrator
s29 - 1937 Lewis Airomobile prototype
s30 - 1938 Heinz Comet
s31 - 1931 Briggs sedan by Tjaarda
s32 - 1933 Pierce Arrow Silver Arrow sedan
s33 - 1936 Bridges
Boy, if these points were awarded based on difficulty, I would not be so close to the top of that list...
We all like period pictures, don't we?
Another period picture of Arrowhead:
Yes we do..
Thank you!
I found this pic of the Briggs by Tjaarda (looks like an earlier prototype; strange headlights):
...
Here you are.
Quote from: DynaMike on April 16, 2009, 04:45:18 PM
About the Sterkenburg, I found that John Tjaarda started designing it in 1926. [...:] Automobilia - la revue de l'histoire automobile, #69, juillet - août 2004.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 16, 2009, 04:49:48 PM
Can you post a better pic for that?
Quote from: DynaMike on April 16, 2009, 05:09:15 PM
I'd like to, but since I still live in the Middle Ages, I don't have a scanner nor a digital camera...
Now I have a camera...:
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 16, 2009, 04:49:48 PM
Can you post a better pic for that?
Bigger, though not appreciably better
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 15, 2009, 01:18:35 PM
1932- Martin Aerodynamic pguillem
The less-often seen rear view:
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Quote from: Arunas on January 07, 2010, 06:16:34 AM
We all like period pictures, don't we?
Another period picture of Arrowhead:
And another
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