Please respond below if you know the make and model designation of this car and who designed it.
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Wow! :o
moved.
Japanese?
It's a Mercedes*, that should make it easy for someone..... I've searched for this one before, on another 'mystery car' thread on another forum..... and I tried again last night, but still I can't find it.... :(
*Not sure if it's factory-built, or merely uses Mercedes mechanicals though
Correct, it's a Mercedes..
take a look at this Pro's!
Some kind of C111?
Mercedes Benz C-111 II
This one:
Both of you are correct, but you should read the requirements of this puzzle. Start your engines!
Locked for Arunas and PJ!
I missed Arunas reply...
My guess will be Mercedes Benz C-111 by Bruno Sacco... I'll have to dig more...
Dass es im Museum von Mercedes-Benz spezielle Fahrzeuge zu sehen ist – ist bekannt – eine sehr seltene Designstudie zeigt das Museum nun – jedoch im Museumsparkhaus auf Ebene 0: Die C 111-Designstudie.
Diese frühere Designstudie eines Mercedes-Benz C 111 stammt von dem berühmten Chefdesigner Bruno Sacco – er arbeitete von 1958 bis 1999 als Konstrukteur und Designer/Stillist) unter der Leitung von Karl Wilfert, Friedrich Geiger und glaub Béla Barényi an verschiedenen Projekten mit, zb. am Mercedes-Benz 600 sowie den als "Pagode" bekannten Roadster 230 SL, 250 SL sowie 280 SL der Baureihe W 113.
See special vehicles being in the Museum of Mercedes-Benz - is--a rare design study shows the Museum now - but in the Museum car park on level 0: the C 111 design study.
(This earlier design study of a Mercedes-Benz C 111 comes from the famous designer Bruno Sacco - he worked from 1958 to 1999 as designer and designer style list) led by Karl Wilfert, Friedrich Geiger and belief on different projects with Béla Barényi eg. the Mercedes-Benz 600 and as "Pagoda" known Roadster 230 SL, SL 250 and 280 SL W 113 series
Yes, another point for Paul Jaray!
Beautiful car, isn't it?
indeed...
Tasty indeed. Nice work, Bruno, wherever you are!
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on September 02, 2010, 05:07:32 AM
Tasty indeed. Nice work, Bruno, wherever you are!
Absolutely. Will have to file it under the Biggest Waste dept...
Some minor flaws: the ugly rims and the huge Mercedes star! I reckon to make the front more distinctive resp. MB-ish, they took one of XL-size.
Actually that's one of the main reasons why the C-111 models made it never to production. The uncharacteristic (for MB) design and the unreliable Wankel technology.
;)
Where's your silver paint brush?
Quote from: Allemano on September 03, 2010, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: Carnut on September 03, 2010, 07:52:07 AM
Where's your silver paint brush?
Pardon? :scratch:
To show us what it looks like without those awful huge M-B 3-pointed stars..
(Now that you've changed the wheels!)
If you take a closer look you should see that I already made the star smaller. As it's no mystery anymore I leave it like that. ;)
Period shots:
If it's an early study for the C111, shouldn't it be called C101 -early code for the project?
If it is a 1967 study, perhaps it is not related to C101 at all.
This is getting be more and more interisting. A quite reliable source states that it's a Study for the C111 by Paul Bracq and not by Sacco...
I'm getting some related literature soon. Will update this topic when I'm more in the know.
If I am not wrong, Bracq would have left MB by 1967; so, he might have started it, and Sacco finished it, although seems that the proposal lack some refining or detailing.
In any case, if this proposed car was designed around 1967-1968, it was a pretty old fashioned design by then, too 'Miuresque' of Dino in its curves, while the trend was becoming the wedge -Carabo, or just look at the 1969 Geneva shown first C111.
A few fussy details aside, I think this is easily the best-looking of the C-111's.
Quote from: thewarlord on July 26, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
If I am not wrong, Bracq would have left MB by 1967; so, he might have started it, and Sacco finished it, although seems that the proposal lack some refining or detailing.
In any case, if this proposed car was designed around 1967-1968, it was a pretty old fashioned design by then, too 'Miuresque' of Dino in its curves, while the trend was becoming the wedge -Carabo, or just look at the 1969 Geneva shown first C111.
Mercedes Benz was never the most innovative company in car design. Don't know if they looked too much to Italia at all. I guess with its swollen curves it was more about to attract the US customers and fyreline seems to confirm ;)
There are few more sketches available showing an even more USAmerican design style.
Cannot remember those sketches. Of course I am interested in them.
There was a fantastic light blue small model from MB for the C111 which looked pretty italian. Surely widely known.
I guess you mean this one:
right, that's the one. Never saw any other view of it, though I'd love to. This proposal was having something of Bertone's Stratos 0, but, Strato's 0 came in 1970, so, if this proposal was ever inspired by the Bertone creation, it cannot be a proposal for the 1969 three rotor C111.
Here are three more examples for designs of Paul Bracq. The one on black canson dates from 1965 and is quite similar in detail to the puzzle C111.
Another thing that tends me to say it's indeed a Bracq design is the second sketch of a coupé which clearly has some of the same styling elements.
3rd sketch shows another (Bracq?) design for a Mercedes coupé with a strong US-American feel.
I copied these pics from an internet source without any reliability, but get the original book soon.
Watch this place!
Thanks a lot!! I'll wait impatiently, though;-)
If first drawing dates from 1965, it clearly was a GT40 influenced design, the same as Miura. But I wonder if C101/C1111 project had begun at all so very soon, of if the Bracq/Sacco designs do not indeed belong to some other previous initiative for a flagship MB sportscar unrelated to Wankel engines experiments.
That internet source reports that the puzzle car in particular was simply captioned "sportscar study, intended for a Wankel engine" while the sketches were captioned "various mid/rear-engined sportscar concepts"
Like in many other cases it's not easy to follow the exact path after ~45 years.
As soon as I've received the book (1 - 2 weeks) I'll post the news – if they are any...
Here's the info I got some time ago from C. Knecht from Daimler AG Archives and Classic Car Collection:
Quote(...) The car, which was built in the year 1969, was constructed by Bruno Sacco. Bruno Sacco was the chief stylist of Mercedes-Benz from 1974 to 1999. One of his projects was the C 111. The design study (...) is a layout of the C111. It is totally made out of wood. It has no enginge or any further technic inside. It was only built for design reasons - to get a feeling for the form. (...) The company decided to build the form of the orange C111. The design study was never shown on a trade show.
From 1969 to 2001 the car was stored in a garage of our design department. In 2001 Mercedes-Benz Classic discovered the sleeping beauty. We assured the car and for the next 9 years we stored the car in our warehouse in Fellbach. In 2010 we decided to show this beautifull car for the first time in a glasbox of the museums car park.
What else they're keeping from the public eyes?
Thanks, Ecnelis!
building this -very old fashioned- car in 1969, the very same year you unveil the wedge C111 at Geneva, doesn't make a lot of sense.
Imagine Lamborghini building a Miura 1:1 wooden mock-up the same year the show the LP500 Countach!
The car in discussion belongs clearly to mid-60s design lenguage.
I agree with thewarlord.
It's not the first time that archivist don't know what exactly is stored in their basement.
For instance I'm still wondering about the definite story of this car and who originally designed it (Giugiaro? Michelotti, Hans A. Muth?): A different story: the Giugiaro (?) VW-Karmann (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=8686.25)
It's getting hard for fans of the Sacco theory as this is showing Paul Bracq's desktop in 1965:
"the workplace of a designer (Paul Bracq), 1965. On the wall perfectly executed drawings, decoratively arranged. (...)
BUT: some doubts remain as Bruno Sacco was working at Mercedes Benz design studios at the same time. Bracq was head of design but if he has the authorship of that particular design, resp. if he personally conceived it – I don't know.
At least it's 99% proven that it dates form the mid sixties not from 1969.
It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma 8)
Paul Bracq's desktop in 1965 photo is utterly gorgeus. Immense thanks, Allemano. Perhaps a high resolution scan of the 'Le Mans' car drawings could reveal who the autograph is, if Bracq's or Sacco's???
Might I ask from which book you took this picture, and if there were any other images relating mid-engined period Mercedes cars? Thank you.
@thewarlord: PM sent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBoMKJ6ptNY
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It's been hard to find this puzzle as the correct name for the car is apparently SL-X, but that doesn't appear in the title at all...
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