Solved - MJW #565 - Panhard 20cv Type X34 Limousine by Pingret et Breteau 1921 for the Duc de Valencay

Started by woodinsight, August 18, 2011, 10:25:24 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Print
Go Down Pages1
User actions

woodinsight

August 18, 2011, 10:25:24 AM Last Edit: August 19, 2011, 05:00:20 PM by woodinsight
Make, model, year and coachbuilder of this unusual limousine for a point.
An extra point may be on offer if anyone can tell me who it was built for.

woodinsight

#1
August 29, 2011, 03:00:50 PM
I'm moving some Rookie puzzles up a level as there has been no response to them.....
This is the first for the Experts now.

SACO

#2
August 29, 2011, 04:57:29 PM
It is a Panhard ...

woodinsight

#3
August 29, 2011, 07:45:34 PM
Yes, it is a Panhard.
Now for the more difficult part....

qwaszx

#4
August 31, 2011, 10:13:59 AM
it is sans soupapes! :)

woodinsight

#5
September 02, 2011, 05:46:32 AM
Quote from: qwaszx on August 31, 2011, 10:13:59 AM
it is sans soupapes! :)
I understood that all Panhards from 1920 had sleeve-valves?

woodinsight

#6
September 02, 2011, 02:23:49 PM
Moving up

Wendax

#7
September 02, 2011, 02:47:48 PM
Probably a 35 CV.

woodinsight

#8
September 03, 2011, 02:27:09 AM
Quote from: Wendax on September 02, 2011, 02:47:48 PM
Probably a 35 CV.
Surprisingly it is almost half that size....

Otto Puzzell

#9
September 03, 2011, 03:52:24 AM
Surely it's a 16 CV. But I'm intrigued by that box out back. Do the louvers indicate it houses some kind of machinery, such as a generator?
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

woodinsight

#10
September 03, 2011, 04:03:06 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2011, 03:52:24 AM
Surely it's a 16 CV. But I'm intrigued by that box out back. Do the louvers indicate it houses some kind of machinery, such as a generator?
Larger than a 16CV.
I really don't know what the rear extension's purpose is.
Interesting to note the lack of headlights and I would imagine that the spare wheel was carried just ahead of the rear wheels.
The photo was probably taken outside the coachbuilder's premises prior to the car being finished.

Ray B.

#11
September 03, 2011, 04:16:36 AM
Another intriguing thing is those very wide rear wheels and tires. Was that thing in the box so heavy?
He Touched Me With His Noodly Appendage

DynaMike

#12
September 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
I think this is a 1921 20 HP Limousine Spéciale, Type X34, by Pingret & Breteau and made for the duke of Valençay. The rear wheels are double.

woodinsight

#13
September 04, 2011, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: DynaMike on September 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
I think this is a 1921 20 HP Limousine Spéciale, Type X34, by Pingret & Breteau and made for the duke of Valençay. The rear wheels are double.
Absolutely correct!
I thought this would be really difficult to solve, so well done and two points to you.
Do you have any more information regarding the structure on the back?

DynaMike

#14
September 04, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
Thanks for the double points...  :) I'm really sorry I don't have any extra info. This is all that is revealed by Bernard Vermeylen in his great book "Panhard & Levassor - entre tradition et modernité" (éditions ETAI, 2005).

woodinsight

#15
September 04, 2011, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: DynaMike on September 04, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
Thanks for the double points...  :) I'm really sorry I don't have any extra info. This is all that is revealed by Bernard Vermeylen in his great book "Panhard & Levassor - entre tradition et modernité" (éditions ETAI, 2005).
That book is on my wants list.
My info comes from another excellent book - "Gotha de l'Automobile Francaise" by Claude Rouxel & Laurent Friry.
Print
Go Up Pages1
User actions