Here are a selection of 20 sports racing machines - some obscure and some less so.
One point for each correct guess.
Points will be awarded when the puzzle is complete.
Batch 1
Batch 2
Answers:
#01 - Galtier Renault Zagato Coupe (solved by Ehhxekt)
#02 - Piper GT Lotus-Ford (solved by Djetset)
#03 - Tout-Peugeot (solved by Joao)
#04 - Chanabe Porsche CH2 (solved by faksta)
#05 - Golding-Cooper (solved by D-Type)
#06 - Scampolo 750 Barquette (solved by barrett)
#07 - Tice CanAm (solved by Paul Jaray)
#08 - Sadler-Jupiter (solved by Aaron 65)
#09 - Brabham BT8 Coupe (solved by faksta)
#10 - Mpiti-Renault (solved by faksta)
#11 - Gipsy Dino P271 Gp.6 (solved by Wendax)
#12 - Mean CanAm - Bernard Carlier (solved by Allemano and limo)
#13 - Pignatelli (solved by Allemano)
#14 - Tanto Faz FNM (solved by faksta)
#15 - GP - Guepard-Pequegnot (solved by faksta)
#16 - Aardvark-Panhard (solved by faksta)
#17 - Bianco Furia FNM Alfa Romeo prototipo (solved by faksta)
#18 - Coldwell C14 Gp.6 (solved by Aaron 65)
#19 - Pilbeam 1100 Sport (solved by D-Type)
#20 - Williams (solved by Aaron65)
Points
7 points for faksta
3 points for Aaron 65
2 points for Allemano
2 points for D-Type
1 point for barrett
1 point for Djetset
1 point for Ehhxekt
1 point for Joao
1 point for limo
1 point for Paul Jaray
1 point for Wendax
Nice Monsieur! :thumbsup:
Thanks Allemano.
I decided to try a group puzzle and if it's successful I'll follow it up with another in due course.
By the way I'm British (from the frozen north) but now live in southern France (where it's a bit warmer!)
I thought so... ;)
Wow!
From your bottomless pit of pictures!
Nice puzzle!
Yeah! :thumbsup:
A puzzle to follow closely :thumbsup:
No Rookie response so up to the Experts to have a go........
Nice puzzle MJW - at the moment the only one I recognise is the Rover-BRM gas turbine car, #15
#12: Mean Sonora
#17 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ
Thanks for starting this one off Limo.
#12 is not a Mean Sonora
#17 does have an Alfa Romeo in the title but is not Italian!
#12 - this may be based on a Mean but was built quite independently under another name
#3 Lotus 23 with Le Mans Tail
#5 Golding-Cooper
#15 - not the Rover-BRM (wrong country)
Giles - I think you meant #2 (not #3) might be a Lotus 23 but I'm afraid it's not.
It is British though.
#5 - It's the Golding-Cooper.
Well done, first correct answer.
oops - did get the wrong number there.
lets try again
2 - Elva?
15 - gas turbine powered?
#17 Marciano 268A Granturismo?
Giles -
#2 - not an Elva
This marque is relatively well known but less so in this guise.
#15 - not gas-turbine powered and by the way it's not from the UK
#17 - not a Marciano - wrong country
#1: 1959 Abarth 750 GT by Zagato?
#9: Any relation to a Porsche 904-6, or would that be way too easy??? :-\
#1 - agreed it looks very Zagato/Abarth but it's not that - wrong country
#9 - nothing to do with Porsche - wrong country again
I'll keep putting small clues in from time to time so don't give up and thanks for your guesses.
Is #15 one of the Alfa Romeo tpo 33 family?
It is - in a way - but it wasn't built in Italy if you see what I mean
I'm going to move this up to the Pros now as I have another group puzzle to post before the festive period
#12 Mean Barquette with a 1000cc NSU engine.
#4 is a Chanabe CH2
#10 must be a South African Mpiti - Renault
#14 is a Tanto Faz from Brazil
#15 looks like a CD-Grac a CD-Grac modified by Gilles Pequegnot - it was called GP, as far as I understand
#16 is an H-Mod Aardvark - Panhard
#17 reminds me of a Furia (we've had it several times before, though, if it is :P)
#3 : 1948-49 John Tout Peugeot Racing Special. 1939 Peugeot 402 based
#14 : FNM 2000 JK Tanto Faz from my city,Petropolis.
#17 : 1971 furia FNM Bianco
EDIT : Oh! I'm late :-\
#9 looks suspisiously like a Mercury GT, which you've posted before...
#4 Chanabe Porsche ? CH2
Edit: too late! Darn!! >:(
Does #1 have a DKW power?
#3 is the 1948 John Tout Peugeot 402 Racing Special from South Africa
#15 is the CD-GRAC
STOP PRESS: Ah, just looked at the previous posts and looks like I was a tad too late :'(
#13 John Cooper's "Pignatelli"
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
#12 Mean Barquette with a 1000cc NSU engine.
As I stated in an earlier post, I think it's based on a Mean but I have another name for it.
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 08:57:03 AM
#4 is a Chanabe CH2
#10 must be a South African Mpiti - Renault
#14 is a Tanto Faz from Brazil
#15 looks like a CD-Grac a CD-Grac modified by Gilles Pequegnot - it was called GP, as far as I understand
#16 is an H-Mod Aardvark - Panhard
#17 reminds me of a Furia (we've had it several times before, though, if it is :P)
#4 is correct
#10 is correct
#14 is correct
#15 is correct
#16 is correct
#17 is a Furia protototipo from 1970 but the title is missing two words i.e. Furia x x prototipo - so locked for you until your next reply
Quote from: João on December 05, 2010, 09:11:44 AM
#3 : 1948-49 John Tout Peugeot Racing Special. 1939 Peugeot 402 based
#14 : FNM 2000 JK Tanto Faz from my city,Petropolis.
#17 : 1971 furia FNM Bianco
EDIT : Oh! I'm late :-\
#3 is correct
#14 is correct but you were beaten by faksta
#17 is a Furia but I've locked it for faksta to come up with the correct name
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 09:25:13 AM
#9 looks suspisiously like a Mercury GT, which you've posted before...
#9 is not a Mercury but a much more common marque rarely pictured in this form
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
#4 Chanabe Porsche ? CH2
Edit: too late! Darn!! >:(
Sorry Allemano, but faksta beat you to it
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 09:29:25 AM
Does #1 have a DKW power?
#1 doesn't have DKW power - wrong country
Quote from: Djetset on December 05, 2010, 09:32:53 AM
#3 is the 1948 John Tout Peugeot 402 Racing Special from South Africa
#15 is the CD-GRAC
STOP PRESS: Ah, just looked at the previous posts and looks like I was a tad too late :'(
Sorry Djetset but you were unfortunately a tad too late.
Plenty more to guess yet though.....
but #1 is a Zagato bodied car, isn't it?
Maybe you're looking for 'Furia FNM JK' prototipo? To my knowledge this car is a chassis #2 which was originally built with Chrysler/Dodge V8 and recently restored with FNM 2150 powerplant, which was initially installed on #1 car.
Also, is #19 some British 1172 Formula car?
Quote from: woodinsight on December 05, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
#12 Mean Barquette with a 1000cc NSU engine.
As I stated in an earlier post, I think it's based on a Mean but I have another name for it.
Is "CanAm" the word you're waitinig for? http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=8451.25
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 12:31:59 PM
Maybe you're looking for 'Furia FNM JK' prototipo? To my knowledge this car is a chassis #2 which was originally built with Chrysler/Dodge V8 and recently restored with FNM 2150 powerplant, which was initially installed on #1 car.
Although FNM JK should probably also be included - let's say I'm looking for - Furia FNM JK x x prototipo
I've added a frontal view so it should now be obvious what I mean.
Still locked for you
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
Also, is #19 some British 1172 Formula car?
It is fitted with a Holbay MAE 1100 engine.
The marque is more commonly associated with single-seaters - especially hill-climb cars
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on December 05, 2010, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 08:54:36 AM
#12 Mean Barquette with a 1000cc NSU engine.
As I stated in an earlier post, I think it's based on a Mean but I have another name for it.
Is "CanAm" the word you're waitinig for? http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=8451.25
CanAm is the second word I'm looking for.
As far as I can tell the car was based on a Mean and takes its name from its owner/driver (also Belgian)
I'll lock it for you until you come up with another reply
Scheerens? :scratch:
You mean Furia Alfa Romeo?
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 01:11:02 PM
Scheerens? :scratch:
Not Scheerens
His initials are B.C.
Still locked for you until your next reply
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
You mean Furia Alfa Romeo?
That's it faksta
The answer I was looking for was Furia Alfa Romeo prototipo.
I'm not sure if FNM and JK should be included
7- Tice
You're looking for the name Bernard Carlier...
Be that as it may I still believe the car is not named after him.
Quote from: woodinsight on December 05, 2010, 01:45:14 PM
That's it faksta
The answer I was looking for was Furia Alfa Romeo prototipo.
I'm not sure if FNM and JK should be included
The engine is FNM 2150, as far as I know, and I'd call this car Furia - FNM (or Bianco Furia - FNM), not ... - Alfa Romeo, even though FNM was nearly an Alfa branch back then.
Quote from: Allemano on December 05, 2010, 02:47:07 PM
You're looking for the name Bernard Carlier...
Be that as it may I still believe the car is not named after him.
Well I have it as the Carlier CanAm so you are correct.
It's perhaps one of these anomalies that one comes across in photo captions.
Anyway well done and I'll alter the title accordingly
Quote from: faksta on December 05, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on December 05, 2010, 01:45:14 PM
That's it faksta
The answer I was looking for was Furia Alfa Romeo prototipo.
I'm not sure if FNM and JK should be included
The engine is FNM 2150, as far as I know, and I'd call this car Furia - FNM (or Bianco Furia - FNM), not ... - Alfa Romeo, even though FNM was nearly an Alfa branch back then.
Thanks for that faksta - as far as I can see he (Toni Bianco) called this car an Alfa Romeo prototipo - I'll alter the title to include this
Quote from: woodinsight on November 29, 2010, 10:43:41 AM
#12 - this may be based on a Mean but was built quite independently under another name
I think to be fair Limo I'll award you a point as I put you off by by the above statement - you did state that it was a Mean - apologies
#19 Pilbeam?
The only hillclimb car maker I can think of
Quote from: D-type on December 05, 2010, 05:48:46 PM
#19 Pilbeam?
The only hillclimb car maker I can think of
Pilbeam is correct!
One of four apparently
Eight left to solve.
The response so far has been excellent but it may be necessary now to provide a few clues for the remainder.
#1 - Look at the wheels to guess what this car may be based on (and it's not Italian)
#2 - This marque shares its name with the surname of a long time British racing driver
#6 - Looks Italian but it's not
#8 - Unusual British engine although the car itself is not British
#9 - A famous marque well-known for its single seaters
#11 - Looks like a miniature Ferrari but of course, it's not one of those but it is Italian
#18 - Look at the airbox - I think this car was the only one with this shape
#20 - It's not European or South American
I'll add further clues if any are proving tricky to guess over the coming days
#01 Panhard based?
Not Panhard but your on the right lines (and country)
Darl 'Mat?
Renault 4 CV based?
You didn't answer if it is a Zagato design at all..
That I don't know.
I know who built it and what it was based on but nothing about the bodywork.
Is #9 a Brabham BT8 derivate?
Is #1 the Viotti 4CV shown at the 1955 Turin Show?
Is #11 an Abarth?
Quote from: Djetset on December 06, 2010, 01:51:40 PM
Is #1 the Viotti 4CV shown at the 1955 Turin Show?
I'm not familiar with the Viotti 4CV but this car dates from 1956.
The name I have is different.
Quote from: Carnut on December 06, 2010, 02:36:28 PM
Is #11 an Abarth?
Not an Abarth - much less known than that
Quote from: woodinsight on December 06, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: faksta on December 06, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Is #9 a Brabham BT8 derivate?
Yes it is!
Could it be based on the car wrecked in 1964 by Epstein/Wilks duo? I simply want to know something about it - never heard of any BT8 Coupes - it was not MRD's own project, I suppose?
Quote from: faksta on December 06, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on December 06, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: faksta on December 06, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Is #9 a Brabham BT8 derivate?
Yes it is!
Could it be based on the car wrecked in 1964 by Epstein/Wilks duo?
The photo shows Clive Lacey racing the Brabham BT8 coupe at Brands Hatch in 1968.
I'm not sure if its the Epstein/Wilks car that was wrecked in 1964, I'd have to do some research on that.
Now that you have uncovered the driver, looks like I was right - according to Allen Brown's amazing site, chassis SC-4-64, wrecked by Jackie Epstein in 1964 and raced by Clive Lacey through 1966-1968.
:thumbsup:
#6 - 1953 Scampolo 750 Barquette, based on DKW mechanicals
#6 - that's the car - well done
Huh..amazing! I thought Scampolo only made single-seaters.
It's true, they made sports racing cars also.
How many I'm not sure - I'm still researching that
Is #8 Buckler related?
#1 a Motto 4CV?
#2 1966 Piper-Ford GTS
#8 - not related to a Buckler
#1 - not Motto
It's not the name I have. As I mentioned earlier I don't know if the body was commissioned by a separate coachbuilder.
#2 - Yes it is a Piper, but the model name I'm looking for is Piper xxx. I have the year as 1965.
Locked for you until your next reply.
In that case #2 is a Piper GT Lotus Ford (another image below).
Yes, you are correct Djetset.
It is also referred to as a Piper SRC
Okay - some more clues on those remaining -
#1 - the make starts with the letter G
I don't know about the body, it looks like Zagato but I can't confirm
So what I'm looking for is Gxxxxxx-Renault 4cv Coupe
#8 - it's from the USA Canada - known make - six letters
We've established it has a Jowett Jupiter engine and it is one of the first cars from this builder
#11 - we've established it's Italian
clue "it sounds as though it has a Romany connection"
#18 - it is British
clue "freezing - well she would be, it's Silverstone in the autumn"
#20 - it is Australian
clue "one-off named after a well-known surname"
Gordini would be too logical for #1 I guess :P
Could #20 be the Cooper Type 33 Jaguar, built for Peter Whitehead in 1955?
#1 - not Gordini - builders initials were J-C. G.
#20 - not Cooper-Jaguar - surname of the constructor is the same as a very famous name current in motor sport today. I don't know very much about the car at the moment but it is a one-off if I remember.
#20 : Hamilton Special?
#20 - good guess but sorry not that.
The name is a name of a manufacturer
#01 Jean Claude Geurie Guénard? :scratch:
#1 - You are almost there
Jean-Claude G.....r?
I think as it's pretty obscure the only way to solve is to bring in clues in the form of letters.
Quote from: faksta on December 09, 2010, 12:08:11 PM
Huh..amazing! I thought Scampolo only made single-seaters.
I'll send you a PM faksta
#1: I just found it on my HD – is the name Galtier we are after?
A rear view shot:
:-\ I knew this car, but forgot its name. If I'm not completely mad it was posted by one of our members on a long lost mystery car thread...
Quote from: Ehhxekt on December 16, 2010, 07:56:20 AM
#1: I just found it on my HD – is the name Galtier we are after?
A rear view shot:
That's the car - I was beginning to have doubts about it myself!
Well done!
I'd really like to know if there ain't any Zagato connection. It just screams "Zagato"
Quote from: Allemano on December 16, 2010, 08:16:17 AM
I'd really like to know if there ain't any Zagato connection. It just screams "Zagato"
I'll keep a sharp eye out for more information on it.
I'm also sure it must be Zagato or a very good copy.
Okay, only 4 left now.
My apologies, I stated that #8 was American when it should be Canadian.
I'll post a few other photos on the other 3 if it helps in identification.
another view of #11
a more recent view of #18
and another more recent view of #20
Time for some giveaway clues (I need to post Part II soon!)
#8 - the name sounds as though it could be an occupation associated with horses
#11 - what's another name for a traveller?
#18 - I stated she's freezing earlier - well, she's not that cold!
#20 - would Sir FW approve?
Surprising - nobody has hazarded a guess - I gave away the names in my last post!
I'll guess "Cowboy" for 8 and "Williams" for #20... :)
Not Cowboy for #8 - more a European type of traveller
However #20 is correct - Williams!
#11: Ferrari Dino Gipsy P271, built 1971, 220 hp, 2000 cc, driven by Anton Auer right now
That's the car although Gipsy was a marque in its own right being constructed by Giancarlo Guidetti at Concorezzo MI. This was I believe the first of several similar cars he built until 1976.
Well done Wendax
Is #8 a Rodeo? :)
Not a Rodeo.
I believe I mixed up my clue for car #8 in reply #113 - I was referring to car #11.
#8 is one of the first car's built by this American manufacturer of sports racing cars. The make begins with S.
Is #8 a Sadler?
That's it - 1954 Sadler with a Jupiter engine - well done!
Would be funny if it is - I thought about it yesterday, but decided to not even try, as supposed it would be nearly impossible...
P.S. Huh... ;D
Faksta, I've attached the same photo of #8 with caption and courtesy of Bill Sadler himself
Now only #18 to go.
I've already given you the name in my reply #110!
Is it a Coldwell C14--1970ish?
That's it - well done Aaron 65.
I can now announce this puzzle solved - points will be awarded shortly.
Group puzzle "Sports Racing Cars - Part 2" is under preparation and will appear in the near future.
Thank you to everyone who participated and I hope you all enjoyed it.
Quote from: woodinsight on January 15, 2011, 10:32:19 AM
Faksta, I've attached the same photo of #8 with caption and courtesy of Bill Sadler himself
The thing is that I remember Sadler Mk1 as Triumph powered and with a different body. I learnt something new today when I read that before it had a Jupiter engine and the pictured body... Such learning is very interesting, though!
Quote from: faksta on January 15, 2011, 11:33:57 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 15, 2011, 10:32:19 AM
Faksta, I've attached the same photo of #8 with caption and courtesy of Bill Sadler himself
The thing is that I remember Sadler Mk1 as Triumph powered and with a different body. I learnt something new today when I read that before it had a Jupiter engine and the pictured body... Such learning is very interesting, though!
I think you'll find that this was Bill Sadler's first special that was developed into the Mk 1 - with a TR engine and different body. A Mk 1 body was also fitted originally to the first Mk 2 before that was replaced with a British-built aluminium body.
By the way, Bill Sadler's
very first race car when he was just out his 'teens was a 1949 Hillman Minx convertible in which he fitted a Ford V8/60!
Great puzzle, I look foward to the next installment!
Quote from: Allemano on December 06, 2010, 10:10:25 AM
You didn't answer if it is a Zagato design at all..
Well I couldn't tell you at the time but I can now confirm that this is a Zagato body on a 1956 Galtier Renault.
It doesn't alter the points but I thought it necessary to confirm the car's identity.