Another group puzzle featuring 20 sports racing cars.
It may be more difficult than the first one but we'll see.
One point for each correct guess - make and model usually will be enough.
Points will be awarded when the puzzle is completed.
Batch 1
Batch 2
Answers:
MJW #250-1 Colucci Renault 4CV (solved by Iluvatar)
MJW #250-2 Deena Mk 1 (solved by metalshapes)
MJW #250-3 Cicada Ford (solved by metalshapes)
MJW #250-4 Marcu Panhard (solved by Wendax)
MJW #250-5 GEK Sports (solved by Wendax)
MJW #250-6 Merlyn Mk4 GT Ford (solved by Carnut)
MJW #250-7 Pink Elephant III (solved by faksta)
MJW #250-8 Skoden Special (solved by barrett)
MJW #250-9 Negadis 2 (solved by Allemano)
MJW #250-10 Huron 4A Group 6 (solved by faksta)
MJW #250-11 Duchene Ford-Cosworth (solved by hondast)
MJW #250-12 Pandora Austin (solved by Oswald)
MJW #250-13 Feratus - Lotus XV-Ferrari (solved by metalshapes)
MJW #250-14 G.F. Barquette (solved by Ehhxekt)
MJW #250-15 Victoria-Climax (solved by D-Type)
MJW #250-16 Barthe-Simca (solved by barrett)
MJW #250-17 Cleary Devin Crosley Monza Special (solved by Iluvatar)
MJW #250-18 Daren-Ford Mk.2 (solved by faksta)
MJW #250-19 Cianfriglia Lotus Lancia (solved by Iluvatar)
MJW #250-20 Kincraft (solved by faksta)
Points:
faksta - 4
Iluvatar - 3
metalshapes - 3
barrett - 2
Wendax - 2
Allemano - 1
Carnut - 1
D-Type - 1
Ehhxekt - 1
Hondast - 1
Oswald - 1
The puzzle is open to Rookies and Experts for the moment
# 4 is the Marcu, based on Panhard Dyna
MJW # 250-11 1973 barquette Duchene with Lotus Cosworth engine. Made in France.
#13 looks like a Lotus XI. Is it the Connaught-powered one?
Quote from: hondast on January 23, 2011, 06:43:30 AM
MJW # 250-11 1973 barquette Duchene with Lotus Cosworth engine. Made in France.
It is the Duchene - I have it with a Ford Cosworth engine and dated 1972.
Point is yours though
Quote from: D-type on January 23, 2011, 06:47:42 AM
#13 looks like a Lotus XI. Is it the Connaught-powered one?
It is a Lotus but not an XI.
It doesn't have a Connaught engine either.
#13 is the space framed and Austin powered sports car named Pandora, built in the early 1960's in the UK
Quote from: Oswald on January 23, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
#13 is the space framed and Austin powered sports car named Pandora, built in the early 1960's in the UK
Well done - and another is solved
Quote from: woodinsight on January 23, 2011, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: D-type on January 23, 2011, 06:47:42 AM
#13 looks like a Lotus XI. Is it the Connaught-powered one?
It is a Lotus but not an XI.
It doesn't have a Connaught engine either.
Quote from: woodinsight on January 23, 2011, 05:11:40 PM
Quote from: Oswald on January 23, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
#13 is the space framed and Austin powered sports car named Pandora, built in the early 1960's in the UK
Well done - and another is solved
???
I think Oswald meant #12 which is the Pandora.
Thanks for pointing that out D-Type.
#13 by the way was constructed a long way from Europe and although based on a Lotus had its own name.
Quote from: Oswald on January 23, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
#13 is the space framed and Austin powered sports car named Pandora, built in the early 1960's in the UK
Oswald - I think you meant #12 didn't you?
Oops. Yes!
#1 is Vincent Colucci's Renault 4CV.
I'll search for the builder...
MPC
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 06:56:24 AM
#1 is Vincent Colucci's Renault 4CV.
I'll search for the builder...
MPC
Maybe the builder is Colucci...
The car, if I'm correct, raced the 1953 Tour Auto with Bonucci-Berger.
MPC
#19 could be an Abarth... ???
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#7 seems to be a Ferrari...
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Is #14 a D-B (Deutsch-Bonnet)?
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 07:04:52 AM
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 06:56:24 AM
#1 is Vincent Colucci's Renault 4CV.
I'll search for the builder...
MPC
Maybe the builder is Colucci...
The car, if I'm correct, raced the 1953 Tour Auto with Bonucci-Berger.
MPC
That's correct. It's the Colucci Renault 4CV.
Vincent Colucci is shown in the #1 puzzle with his hand on the wheel. It is pictured in Nice prior to the start of the 3rd. Tour Auto in 1953.
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 07:06:39 AM
#19 could be an Abarth... ???
MPC
Nothing to do with Abarth
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 07:14:07 AM
#7 seems to be a Ferrari...
MPC
Not a Ferrari and not Italian
Quote from: Carnut on January 24, 2011, 08:15:49 AM
Is #14 a D-B (Deutsch-Bonnet)?
The body was probably inspired by a DB but there is no DB connection with this one.
#7 Devin???
MPC
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
#7 Devin???
MPC
This car used a Devin body but it had a specific name
Quote from: woodinsight on January 24, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 24, 2011, 04:24:58 PM
#7 Devin???
MPC
This car used a Devin body but it had a specific name
It reminds me Ak Miller Devin-Oldsmobile 7-litre (1961).
MPC
#19 is a Lotus-Cianfriglia-Lancia, at 1968 Rome GP.
MPC
#17 is 1957 Cleary Devin Crosley Monza Special.
MPC
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 25, 2011, 08:24:32 AM
#19 is a Lotus-Cianfriglia-Lancia, at 1968 Rome GP.
MPC
Well done - it's the Cianfriglia Lotus with a Lancia Appia engine built by Remiglio Cianfriglia at Tivoli (Roma)
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 25, 2011, 08:32:00 AM
#17 is 1957 Cleary Devin Crosley Monza Special.
MPC
Correct
Quote from: woodinsight on January 25, 2011, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 25, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
It reminds me Ak Miller Devin-Oldsmobile 7-litre (1961).
MPC
Not that although it is American..
It reminds me the 1958 Austin Healey (chassis)-Corvette (engine)-Devin (body) Special seen at Amelia Island 2010...
Am I right??
MPC
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 26, 2011, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 25, 2011, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 25, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
It reminds me Ak Miller Devin-Oldsmobile 7-litre (1961).
MPC
Not that although it is American..
It reminds me the 1958 Austin Healey (chassis)-Corvette (engine)-Devin (body) Special seen at Amelia Island 2010...
Am I right??
MPC
I'm not familiar with the car at Amelia Island in 2010 but by your description it is the same car.
There were five specials (all different) that were known by this name.
What was the name and which one of the five is this one?
Locked for you until your next reply.
Quote from: woodinsight on January 26, 2011, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 26, 2011, 03:33:45 PM
It reminds me the 1958 Austin Healey (chassis)-Corvette (engine)-Devin (body) Special seen at Amelia Island 2010...
Am I right??
MPC
I'm not familiar with the car at Amelia Island in 2010 but by your description it is the same car.
There were five specials (all different) that were known by this name.
What was the name and which one of the five is this one?
Locked for you until your next reply.
The builder of that car is unnknown...
I can give you Austin Healeysn:BN1C155904.
The current owner is Phil Fleming of Flemington, New Jersey.
MPC
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 26, 2011, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 26, 2011, 03:56:30 PM
Quote from: Iluvatar on January 26, 2011, 03:33:45 PM
It reminds me the 1958 Austin Healey (chassis)-Corvette (engine)-Devin (body) Special seen at Amelia Island 2010...
Am I right??
MPC
I'm not familiar with the car at Amelia Island in 2010 but by your description it is the same car.
There were five specials (all different) that were known by this name.
What was the name and which one of the five is this one?
Locked for you until your next reply.
The builder of that car is unnknown...
I can give you Austin Healeysn:BN1C155904.
The current owner is Phil Fleming of Flemington, New Jersey.
MPC
Thanks for the photo Iluvatar.
The puzzle car has a known builder but also has an Austin-Healey chassis, Chevy V8 engine and a Devin body.
However there are several differences between your picture and the puzzle car -
Shape of the rear wings, difference in the shape of the nose, no side air outlets, air intake on the bonnet and the windscreen.
As far as I can ascertain the current owner is different too.
My conclusion is that your photo and the puzzle car are not the same.
Before I move this up to the Pros, I'll add a few clues for the Experts and Rookies to ponder over.......
#2 - based on a British chassis
#3 - not from Europe
#5 - hasn't been in an accident - that's how it's supposed to look
#6 - the only coupe version as far as I know
#7 - named after an animal
#8 - based on two different cars - the name is a combination of both
#9 - pretty obscure European
#10 - not that obscure Group 6 car
#13 - Lotus-based with an interesting engine
#14 - French but not the usual DB, Panhard, Renault
#15 - the name is the same as a European royal of yesteryear
#16 - French based
#18 - European
#20 - European also
Is #8 a Simca Tempestade?
Quote from: Carnut on January 28, 2011, 05:17:54 AM
Is #8 a Simca Tempestade?
No - this one is half-a-world (geographically) away from the Simca Tempestade
#6 Elva???
MPC
Not Elva but it is British
Is #6 a Cooper?
Neither Lola or Cooper
Not Lotus - a lesser known marque that also built single seaters
Is #15 a JBW?
Quote from: woodinsight on January 28, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
Not Lotus - a lesser known marque that also built single seaters
Merlyn?
Quote from: Carnut on January 28, 2011, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 28, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
Not Lotus - a lesser known marque that also built single seaters
Merlyn?
Yes!
Can you provide me with the Mark number (model)
Locked for you until your next reply
Time for the Pros to play with this one on a Sunday
Quote from: woodinsight on January 28, 2011, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: Carnut on January 28, 2011, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 28, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
Not Lotus - a lesser known marque that also built single seaters
Merlyn?
Yes!
Can you provide me with the Mark number (model)
Locked for you until your next reply
I've studied loads of pictures of Merlyns but can't see one that matches the front end of your puzzle photo. The rear-engined sports racers were the Mk4s and Mk6s, but none of them look quite like that.
There was a one-off GT, the Mk 19, but I can't find any pictures of it to compare with yours!
So, is it the one and only Mk 19 from 1970?
Not a Mk 19 but you have already mentioned the mark so I'll keep it locked for you.
If it's of any help the photo was taken at Goodwood in the early 1960s.
#14: Peugeot 203 G. F. barquette, built by Marcel and Maurice Goux.
Quote from: Ehhxekt on January 29, 2011, 03:50:03 PM
#14: Peugeot 203 G. F. barquette, built by Marcel and Maurice Goux.
That's correct - the G.F. barquette by the Goux freres
#7 is a Pink Elephant MkII built by Jim Chaffee with Austin-Healey engine under the bonnet.
Also, if that helps, I think #5 is an Australian hillclimb special, but I can't find it back yet.
#09 = Negadis 2 from France piloted by Jean-Claude Garcia.
Quote from: faksta on January 29, 2011, 04:06:55 PM
#7 is a Pink Elephant MkII built by Jim Chaffee with Austin-Healey engine under the bonnet.
Pink Elephant - yes but not Mk II - Austin-Healey based/engine yes
Locked for you until your next reply
Quote from: faksta on January 29, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
Also, if that helps, I think #5 is an Australian hillclimb special, but I can't find it back yet.
Australian yes but not a hillclimb special - very much a track car
Quote from: Allemano on January 29, 2011, 04:35:26 PM
#09 = Negadis 2 from France piloted by Jean-Claude Garcia.
That's the car
Quote from: woodinsight on January 29, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
Not a Mk 19 but you have already mentioned the mark so I'll keep it locked for you.
If it's of any help the photo was taken at Goodwood in the early 1960s.
OK, so it's either a Mk 4 or a Mk 6. I've studied pictures of both and the only one I can find with a front and lights similar to your puzzle car is a Mk 6. However, the Mk 6 was only made in 1964/5 whilst the Mk 4 was built in 1962/3 and since you say the puzzle photo was taken at Goodwood in the early 1960's that would have to make it a Mk 4! If I'm wrong then it's not going to take a genius to work out what the correct answer is...!
In all 26 Mk 4s were built in 3 versions, the majority of which were the standard model, but 2 or 3 were built for road use as the Mk 4T; they had steel wheels however so the puzzle car is not one of those. There was a slightly improved Mk 4 in 1963 with lowered engine and gearbox together with minor suspension modifications.
The Mk 6 cars were a development of the Mk 4, and looked virtually identical, so it's not really possible to distinguish them just by comparing pictures of them. There was also a Mk 6A but again only with mechanical changes.
I can't actually find any mention of a coupe version of either car!
Quote from: woodinsight on January 29, 2011, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: faksta on January 29, 2011, 04:06:55 PM
#7 is a Pink Elephant MkII built by Jim Chaffee with Austin-Healey engine under the bonnet.
Pink Elephant - yes but not Mk II - Austin-Healey based/engine yes
Locked for you until your next reply
It must be MkIII then. Haven't checked the info before posting - it is described as MkII somewhere...
Quote from: faksta on January 29, 2011, 09:14:24 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 29, 2011, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: faksta on January 29, 2011, 04:06:55 PM
#7 is a Pink Elephant MkII built by Jim Chaffee with Austin-Healey engine under the bonnet.
Pink Elephant - yes but not Mk II - Austin-Healey based/engine yes
Locked for you until your next reply
It must be MkIII then. Haven't checked the info before posting - it is described as MkII somewhere...
That's it - the Pink Elephant III
Quote from: Carnut on January 29, 2011, 07:34:42 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 29, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
Not a Mk 19 but you have already mentioned the mark so I'll keep it locked for you.
If it's of any help the photo was taken at Goodwood in the early 1960s.
OK, so it's either a Mk 4 or a Mk 6. I've studied pictures of both and the only one I can find with a front and lights similar to your puzzle car is a Mk 6. However, the Mk 6 was only made in 1964/5 whilst the Mk 4 was built in 1962/3 and since you say the puzzle photo was taken at Goodwood in the early 1960's that would have to make it a Mk 4! If I'm wrong then it's not going to take a genius to work out what the correct answer is...!
In all 26 Mk 4s were built in 3 versions, the majority of which were the standard model, but 2 or 3 were built for road use as the Mk 4T; they had steel wheels however so the puzzle car is not one of those. There was a slightly improved Mk 4 in 1963 with lowered engine and gearbox together with minor suspension modifications.
The Mk 6 cars were a development of the Mk 4, and looked virtually identical, so it's not really possible to distinguish them just by comparing pictures of them. There was also a Mk 6A but again only with mechanical changes.
I can't actually find any mention of a coupe version of either car!
Thanks for that very interesting reply Carnut.
This car is a Merlyn GT Ford Mk 4 of 1098cc. Registration no: 191 PK
Owner/driver was Clive Lacey and the photo was taken at the Goodwood 63rd Members' Meeting on 12th. September 1964. He won the GT race in front of stiff opposition, including AC Cobra, Ferrari 250GTO, Aston DB4GTZ, Jaguar E-Type, etc.
#3 is the Cicada Ford, from Australia.
Quote from: woodinsight on January 30, 2011, 01:25:38 AM
Thanks for that very interesting reply Carnut.
This car is a Merlyn GT Ford Mk 4 of 1098cc. Registration no: 191 PK
Owner/driver was Clive Lacey and the photo was taken at the Goodwood 63rd Members' Meeting on 12th. September 1964. He won the GT race in front of stiff opposition, including AC Cobra, Ferrari 250GTO, Aston DB4GTZ, Jaguar E-Type, etc.
So it must be one of the road-going Mk 4s if it's registered. Maybe he just swapped the steel wheels for lightweight ones!
Did I actually earn a point then, because my tally doesn't seem to have moved?!
Points will be awarded after the puzzle has been completed (see introduction)
I'm guessing #8 is also Australian?
K. Malcolm's Skoden special - Skoda chassis and Holden engine, circa 1958
Quote from: barrett on January 30, 2011, 11:59:58 AM
K. Malcolm's Skoden special - Skoda chassis and Holden engine, circa 1958
Correct
Is #16 yet another Panhard-based car?
Quote from: barrett on January 30, 2011, 01:19:32 PM
Is #16 yet another Panhard-based car?
No - you'll be pleased to know!
Quote from: woodinsight on January 30, 2011, 09:03:00 AM
Points will be awarded after the puzzle has been completed (see introduction)
Ah, sorry, I didn't look properly.
Is #13 the Ferrotus?
A Lotus Fifteen with a Ferrari engine swap?
( I know its not the Maserati engined one , because its hood was different...)
Quote from: metalshapes on January 31, 2011, 11:29:32 AM
Is #13 the Ferrotus?
A Lotus Fifteen with a Ferrari engine swap?
( I know its not the Maserati engined one , because its hood was different...)
Correct - although the name is Feratus, the Lotus XV with a Ferrari in Singapore 1961.
Thanks.
Was this the Lotus Mk.15 #619 , that got a 2 litre Ferrari 4 cyl?
If not, there were 2 15's with Ferrari engines ( one in America and one in Singapore )
In which case, I did not really earn the point...
Quote from: metalshapes on January 31, 2011, 12:39:48 PM
Thanks.
Was this the Lotus Mk.15 #619 , that got a 2 litre Ferrari 4 cyl?
If not, there were 2 15's with Ferrari engines ( one in America and one in Singapore )
In which case, I did not really earn the point...
Well I have to say that I didn't know the XV in the USA was called Ferotus.
I don't know the c/n of the Stanley Leong's car in Singapore but it was a 2 litre.
The Singapore car was active in the Far East 1961-1963.
It was sold to Rodney Seow in 1963 and I believe destroyed in an accident at Kuala Lumpur in 1963.
The car was never very successful suffering overheating problems in tropical conditions.
Whatever, you identified the car as a Ferrari-engined Lotus XV and added some additional information so I think you certainly deserve to keep the point.
More research will be required to sort out the history of the Feratus and the Ferotus!
Quote from: woodinsight on January 31, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
More research will be required to sort out the history of the Feratus and the Ferotus!
Very cool that there is the possibillity that there were two of these cars...
It would be great to try and find out more about them.
#2 Heng Sze Kiat's Deena Mk1 Special with its 1490-cc engine, from Singapore.
Quote from: metalshapes on January 31, 2011, 08:55:51 PM
#2 Heng Sze Kiat's Deena Mk1 Special with its 1490-cc engine, from Singapore.
Correct!
MG engined and based. Built 1960/61.
Only six to go.
I'll add some more clues/photos shortly.
Heartening to see so many members taking part (and solved by several).
I might carry on with a Part 3 after this puzzle has been solved if the consensus is positive.
Quote from: woodinsight on February 01, 2011, 03:48:38 AM
I might carry on with a Part 3 after this puzzle has been solved if the consensus is positive.
Yes please! These are some of the hardest but most interesting puzzles on this site! I just wish I knew a few more answers...
Agreed! If only I had more time to spend on this one :(
Well a few more hints on the remaining cars -
#05 - no more photos at the moment but it is Australian and the name is three letters one of which is the name of the power unit.
#10 - another front view - European (not Italian) - known make
#15 - concentrate on my previous clue - a female royal personage
Here's another view (not very clear) of this car
#16 - no more images at the moment. French - yes but not the usual Panhard, Renault, DB, Citroen, Peugeot derivative.
#18 - another view of the same car (not a good image) - European - marque is five letters and not that unknown
and so to No.20 - no further image on this one at the moment.
Perhaps you can find the name in F5000 single seaters......
#18 is a Daren Mk2
Quote from: woodinsight on February 02, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
and so to No.20 - no further image on this one at the moment.
Perhaps you can find the name in F5000 single seaters......
Is this a coincidence or were the cars made by the same company?
If you mean the cars that appear in photo 20, the answer is no.
Perhaps they are owned by the same person/team.
Nope, I meant the car on photo 20 and those mentioned F5000 single seaters.
Okay, let me explain a little bit.
My clue regarding #20 was slightly misleading.
The single seater built by this person was a Formula Libre (pre-F5000) car in the 1960s and was quite successful.
Only one single seater was built and one sports car (as in the #20 photo).
This car apparently was rebodied and now lives in the USA.
Is #15 the Victoria?
#20 sounds like it could have been a Kincraft.
Quote from: faksta on February 05, 2011, 02:09:03 PM
#20 sounds like it could have been a Kincraft.
I guess after those clues you would come up with the correct answer!
Kincraft it is. I believe it's carrying a body from a March.
Only three to go now - outstanding as some of these were quite difficult.
The last three clues now -
#250-5 - Three letters, the first two refer to the type of car and the last refers to it's make of engine. The car is Australian and the last letter is K.
#250-10 - This car is not very obscure, shares its name with a large lake in North America although it is European.
#250-16 - It's French and is based on a car beginning with the letter S.
#16 - Salmson based?
#10 is a Huron, probably model 4A.
Quote from: faksta on February 05, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
#10 is a Huron, probably model 4A.
Correct - Huron 4A Group 6 1971
#5 is GAK-Martin hill climb car of Garry Martin
Quote from: Wendax on February 06, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
#5 is GAK-Martin hill climb car of Garry Martin
Almost!
The second letter is different.
G ? K (Ground ------- Kawasaki)
Locked for you until your next reply
#16 Simca (-Gordini)??
Simca based but not Gordini
#5 is Bill Norman's GEK Sports (Ground Effect Kawasaki)
The unique car is constantly under construction is made completely from recycled materials, except for the specialised Avon tyres which are imported from the United Kingdom.
Quote from: Wendax on February 06, 2011, 05:24:52 PM
#5 is Bill Norman's GEK Sports (Ground Effect Kawasaki)
The unique car is constantly under construction is made completely from recycled materials, except for the specialised Avon tyres which are imported from the United Kingdom.
That's it - good answer
An additional snippet of information regarding #16
The car is shown as a coupe in the puzzle but it still around today in open two-seater form.
I'm struggling to find any information about #16, other that it is a Simca Huit Barquette (now). I've seen the name 'Barthe' connected to it, is this the answer?
Edit: Seems that might be right - Simca 8 Barqutte constructed in 1951 in Bordeaux by Simca concessionnaire Lucien Barthe
Quote from: barrett on February 15, 2011, 05:54:09 AM
I'm struggling to find any information about #16, other that it is a Simca Huit Barquette (now). I've seen the name 'Barthe' connected to it, is this the answer?
Edit: Seems that might be right - Simca 8 Barqutte constructed in 1951 in Bordeaux by Simca concessionnaire Lucien Barthe
Bingo! - you've got it! Well done and thanks.
That completes this puzzle and I'll award points today.
Another group puzzle on the same subject (part 3) to come soon......
Thank you to all who took part.
Eleven puzzlers gained points from this puzzle so I will start compiling another now.