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Title: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: woodinsight on September 02, 2011, 02:04:03 PM
Looks familiar?
Yes it is based on that car but it is badged as something else.
Who knows the story behind this?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: qwaszx on September 03, 2011, 03:51:19 AM
Looks like a Maico Champion 400 1952 but is a...
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 03, 2011, 04:05:13 AM
Quote from: qwaszx on September 03, 2011, 03:51:19 AM
Looks like a Maico Champion 400 1952 but is a...
Yes it is but there is quite a story behind this........
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: olavr on September 05, 2011, 08:46:15 AM
The car originally developed by ZF of Friedrichshafen and was named Champion 400. and started in 1948
Various manufacturers tried to sell the car, and in 1955 MAICO took over production and the car was named Maico MC 400
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 05, 2011, 10:37:12 AM
Quote from: olavr on September 05, 2011, 08:46:15 AM
The car originally developed by ZF of Friedrichshafen and was named Champion 400. and started in 1948
Various manufacturers tried to sell the car, and in 1955 MAICO took over production and the car was named Maico MC 400

Yes that's correct but this is a Champion 400 that was acquired and rebadged as a xxxxx. One of the attempts by other manufacturers/people to sell the car as you stated. This was undoubtedly the most bizzare attempts.
So for one point what was this car re-badged as?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: qwaszx on September 05, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Rebadging a simple car into something posh –think Aston Martin Cygnet.
My guess would be Maybach Two Stroke :)
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 05, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: qwaszx on September 05, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Rebadging a simple car into something posh –think Aston Martin Cygnet.
My guess would be Maybach Two Stroke :)
Interesting thought but not that.
The name is 5 letters long.
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: Facel on September 11, 2011, 10:53:37 AM
Alcre from Argentina?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: olavr on September 12, 2011, 05:25:13 AM
The Alcre was based on a Maico 500

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6149.0 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6149.0)

But this one was a 400, before Maico entered the scene?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: olavr on September 12, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
I've found a link to a Champion Licence, The austrian factory Perl, built about 100 cars in 1951 - 54, but of the 250! Not quite an answer?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 16, 2011, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Facel on September 11, 2011, 10:53:37 AM
Alcre from Argentina?
Not Alcre I'm afraid
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 16, 2011, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: olavr on September 12, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
I've found a link to a Champion Licence, The austrian factory Perl, built about 100 cars in 1951 - 54, but of the 250! Not quite an answer?
Not that either....
It's from Europe but not Austria
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 18, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
I wonder if an Expert knows?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: mtbo on September 18, 2011, 06:08:58 PM
delta?
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 12:49:51 AM
Quote from: mtbo on September 18, 2011, 06:08:58 PM
delta?
Yes, it's a Delta!
Locked for you to come up with a few more details.......
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: mtbo on September 19, 2011, 03:35:53 PM
This is copy paste from one web site:

Otto von Smekel and Eva Pokorova of the Delta Research Motor Company tried to create a British "people's car" by obtaining the rights to import Champion cars at Potton Manor, a stately home in rural Bedfordshire. Their first car arrived at Potton Manor in Nov. 1953, but shortly afterwards Champion Cars was declared bankrupt. The Champion designs were then acquired by Maico, who promptly tore up Delta Research's import license. In 1983, following the deaths of Smekel and Pokorova - who had led the lives of recluses since the 1955 collapse of Delta Research, Potton Manor was opened up for the first time in 30 years, and five cars were discovered garaged in the ballroom!
Title: Re: MJW #595
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: mtbo on September 19, 2011, 03:35:53 PM
This is copy paste from one web site:

Otto von Smekel and Eva Pokorova of the Delta Research Motor Company tried to create a British "people's car" by obtaining the rights to import Champion cars at Potton Manor, a stately home in rural Bedfordshire. Their first car arrived at Potton Manor in Nov. 1953, but shortly afterwards Champion Cars was declared bankrupt. The Champion designs were then acquired by Maico, who promptly tore up Delta Research's import license. In 1983, following the deaths of Smekel and Pokorova - who had led the lives of recluses since the 1955 collapse of Delta Research, Potton Manor was opened up for the first time in 30 years, and five cars were discovered garaged in the ballroom!
That's the story in a nutshell!
Well done and another point for you.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: pguillem on September 19, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Some photos :

- In the ballroom could be seen the bodyshell of the proposed Champion/Delta sports car while in the foreground the nose of the single seater racing car can just be seen

- Potton Manor in 1979 following the deaths of Eva Pokorova and Otto Smekal
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Thanks for those extra photos pguillem.
One day I'll expand this incredible story.......
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: pguillem on September 19, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Thanks for those extra photos pguillem.
One day I'll expand this incredible story.......

The complete story "The Cars of Potton Manor" appeared in the May, 1985 issue of Thoroughbred and Classic Cars, written by Michael Ware.  The photographs were found in a message written by Barrett (our Barrett ?) at the Moto-Scat Forum.  Some other photos can be found there.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: woodinsight on September 20, 2011, 05:59:46 AM
Quote from: pguillem on September 19, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Thanks for those extra photos pguillem.
One day I'll expand this incredible story.......

The complete story "The Cars of Potton Manor" appeared in the May, 1985 issue of Thoroughbred and Classic Cars, written by Michael Ware.  The photographs were found in a message written by Barrett (our Barrett ?) at the Moto-Scat Forum.  Some other photos can be found there.
Thanks, I should have that issue somewhere..
Michael Ware also wrote about the Delta story in his book "Automobiles Lost & Found"
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: Carnut on September 20, 2011, 08:12:45 AM
Weren't some of these cars made (or badged as anyway) by Heinkel too?
Seems everyone and his dog had a go at making or selling them!
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: barrett on September 20, 2011, 10:36:08 AM
Damn, I was waiting for this one to move up.....  >:(
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: Carnut on September 21, 2011, 07:30:19 AM
And this seems to be what it looked like before someone had the idea to fit VW Beetle headlights:
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #595 - Delta Coupe 1953
Post by: Wendax on September 21, 2011, 07:37:38 AM
I rather think the original headlights were just too low for homologation in France.