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Title: Solved -PJ261- Pietro Migliorati's "Perosino" Microcar 1958
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 30, 2009, 12:45:35 PM
Know what it is?

Please, respond below and share your knowledge of the name and builder of this car.

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Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2009, 03:40:11 PM
Let's go directly into the black hole.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 07, 2010, 10:46:20 AM
...another view...
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 25, 2010, 02:52:26 PM
1 point for the engine, I'll post the answer after that.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: guido66 on November 25, 2010, 03:02:23 PM
Vespa?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 25, 2010, 03:25:57 PM
Not Vespa.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: guido66 on November 25, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
Motorcycle engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 25, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: guido66 on November 25, 2010, 05:04:11 PM
BMW boxer engine?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 25, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
Not BMW...
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: guido66 on November 25, 2010, 05:50:23 PM
Harley Davidson?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 25, 2010, 06:07:21 PM
Not H-D, a smaller one.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: guido66 on November 25, 2010, 06:12:21 PM
Dnepr?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 05:14:13 AM
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 26, 2010, 05:39:45 AM
Ural?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 05:44:05 AM
Not Ural.
You can find this name also in some cars...
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 26, 2010, 05:53:53 AM
Zundapp?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Ray B. on November 26, 2010, 05:54:42 AM
Peugeot?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 06:05:20 AM
Not Zundapp or Peugeot.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Allemano on November 26, 2010, 06:19:18 AM
JAP?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 06:36:17 AM
Not JAP..
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 26, 2010, 06:40:05 AM
Italian? You can see the flag
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 26, 2010, 06:40:50 AM
Velocette?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 06:42:35 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on November 26, 2010, 06:40:05 AM
Italian? You can see the flag
Yes, this car was built in Italy.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on November 26, 2010, 06:40:50 AM
Velocette?
Not Velocette...(did they produce a car too?)
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Allemano on November 26, 2010, 07:51:18 AM
Sachs?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: guido66 on November 26, 2010, 08:04:20 AM
Moto Guzzi?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 08:58:21 AM
Quote from: Allemano on November 26, 2010, 07:51:18 AM
Sachs?
Not Sachs or Moto Guzzi.

There were also cars with that name.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: DeAutogids on November 26, 2010, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 08:58:21 AM
Quote from: Allemano on November 26, 2010, 07:51:18 AM
Sachs?
Not Sachs or Moto Guzzi.

There were also cars with that name.
You mean that there were cars with the name Moto Guzzi and Sachs?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 10:21:57 AM
The opposite.
The name you are looking for produced cars also, the ones you are suggesting didn't.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Amsterdam on November 26, 2010, 10:34:05 AM
Moretti?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 10:56:11 AM
Not Moretti.
This car was built in Italy by an artisan in 1958.
It was\is street legal and it is powered by an engine taken from a motorbike.
I don't think it will ever be solved, that's why I'll give a point for who will find the engine and then I'll post the answer myself.
The maker of the engine produced also cars.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 26, 2010, 10:57:11 AM
Vespa?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Amsterdam on November 26, 2010, 11:01:02 AM
Siata?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: woodinsight on November 26, 2010, 11:21:46 AM
Benelli?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 11:24:29 AM
Not Vespa, Siata or Benelli.
The engine is not Italian.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 26, 2010, 11:30:31 AM
BMW
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Amsterdam on November 26, 2010, 11:35:19 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on November 26, 2010, 11:30:31 AM
BMW


Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 25, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
Not BMW...


Is the engine from Germany?

Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 26, 2010, 11:37:51 AM
CZ Jawa?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 11:43:21 AM
Not Jawa.
Not from Germany but not far from there.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Amsterdam on November 26, 2010, 11:48:29 AM
Is it  Swiss?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: woodinsight on November 26, 2010, 12:00:04 PM
Puch?
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on November 26, 2010, 12:00:04 PM
Puch?
:applause:
I think I have to reveal the solution now...
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Amsterdam on November 26, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Very nice puzzle PJ! and for sure a very small change for it getting solved.
To bad I do not read Italian. If you can find the time could you please write a short story what it says.

Should you not get a point youre self for revealing this? I'll be happy to award you one.

Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 26, 2010, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 06:42:35 AM
Not Velocette...(did they produce a car too?)

Yes - an abortive attempt at a 'nody' car
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: woodinsight on November 26, 2010, 02:13:18 PM
Glad to see some BH puzzles being solved.
Thanks PJ
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 02:17:31 PM
My pleasure.
I'll add the point and translate the article later.  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: DeAutogids on November 26, 2010, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on November 26, 2010, 10:21:57 AM
The opposite.
The name you are looking for produced cars also, the ones you are suggesting didn't.
Sachs did make a car (a small citycar, part-developed by Porsche in the seventees), see here (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=7938.0)
Moto-Guzzi made at least some 3-wheelers, which one could see as a motorcar.
Title: Re: PJ - 261
Post by: Paul Jaray on November 27, 2010, 05:38:19 AM
It is so small but not a toy!
A reader discovered a very little car built by an artisan in Piemonte in 1958 and regularly homologated.
One-off, Puch 250cc-engined, it circulates in daily traffic


(...)Mr Pietro Migliorati (aka Pierino Modifica) owner of an electrician workshop in Alba, Cuneo, built this one-off in 1958 and homologated it on the 7th of July 1958 ( chassis #1111458, license plate #CN157300). It can be considered a toy car but is a so efficient toy that you can use it in daily traffic. It is a open 2-seater car, sheet metal handmade body on a tubular steel frame. The engine is mounted centrally, behind the seats and it's RWD. The engine is a 4-stroke 2-cylinder Puch, 250cc, mated with a 4-speed gear plus reverse (like in the 500). Max power is 4CV, wheels are 450x8.
The appearance of this little car (that reminds the Volpe, even being smaller than that) is pleasant even if the carburetor required the presence of a big fin. (...)
Title: Wendax 125
Post by: Wendax on April 15, 2011, 03:34:52 AM
Little sporty one.

For one point, please respond and identify this car, the year it was built and the engine used.
Title: Re: Wendax 125
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 15, 2011, 05:39:09 AM
You were sure it couldn't be a repost?
Only at Autopuzzles!
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=9525.0
Title: Re: Wendax 125
Post by: Wendax on April 15, 2011, 06:30:57 AM
It definitely is the same car. The funny thing is that it was displayed at the AutomotoretrĂ² 2011 in Torino with another name: Perosino.

Could someone please merge these puzzles?
Title: Re: Solved -PJ261- Pietro Migliorati's "Perosino" Microcar 1958
Post by: Allemano on April 15, 2011, 06:42:53 AM
More pics: