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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: pnegyesi on October 14, 2011, 03:20:26 AM

Title: Solved: PN #242 -- Siemens-Schuckert electric, cca 1910
Post by: pnegyesi on October 14, 2011, 03:20:26 AM
Please identify this automobile for a point. Make and approximate model year are a must.
Title: Re: PN #242
Post by: pnegyesi on October 21, 2011, 01:36:30 PM
Experts?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 31, 2011, 09:29:12 AM
Professionals?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on October 31, 2011, 11:35:13 AM
I think I saw it somewhere...From Hungary?
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Post by: Arunas on October 31, 2011, 11:39:27 AM
Phonix?
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Post by: pnegyesi on October 31, 2011, 11:57:06 AM
The photograph was taken in Hungary. It is not a Phőnix and not a Hungarian make at all.
Title: Re: PN #242
Post by: Wendax on November 01, 2011, 05:06:48 AM
Electric?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 01, 2011, 05:16:10 AM
Yes
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Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 01, 2011, 05:41:36 AM
Tribelhorn?
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Post by: Wendax on November 01, 2011, 05:45:07 AM
Austrian?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 01, 2011, 06:31:44 AM
Not Austrian and not a Tribelhorn
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Post by: Wendax on November 01, 2011, 06:52:52 AM
German?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 01, 2011, 11:41:09 PM
Yes, German
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Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 02, 2011, 05:44:55 AM
Namag?
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Post by: woodinsight on November 02, 2011, 06:28:35 AM
Protos?
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Post by: Wendax on November 02, 2011, 03:25:04 PM
AAA (AG für Akkumulatoren und Automobilbau)?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 02, 2011, 04:34:27 PM
Namag, Protos, AAA - no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on November 02, 2011, 06:41:23 PM
BEB?
DEW?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 03, 2011, 02:42:59 AM
Not a DEW
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Post by: Paul Jaray on November 03, 2011, 03:06:32 AM
Kaha?
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Post by: Wendax on November 04, 2011, 03:40:18 AM
Bergmann?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 04, 2011, 04:32:12 AM
Not a Kaha or Bergmann
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Post by: Wendax on November 04, 2011, 04:44:57 AM
Elite?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 04, 2011, 07:27:31 AM
No, this is not an Elite. Why don't you try to establish an approximate model year first?
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Post by: Wendax on November 04, 2011, 07:30:18 AM
1914?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 04, 2011, 08:35:12 AM
Most probably earlier
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Post by: Paul Jaray on November 04, 2011, 08:50:16 AM
Fisher by Westautohaus Alex Fischer & Co., Berlin?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 04, 2011, 08:58:32 AM
It is from Berlin, but not a Fisher
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Post by: Paul Jaray on November 04, 2011, 09:01:38 AM
NAG Taxicab from 1911?
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Post by: Wendax on November 04, 2011, 09:08:02 AM
BEF? Although I think they only built threewheeler, but they did distribute fourwheelers.
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 04, 2011, 02:32:49 PM
It is neither a NAG or a BEF
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Post by: grobmotorix on November 04, 2011, 04:58:38 PM
Is it a MMB / DMG Elektro Daimler from Daimler´s Marienfelde factory?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 05, 2011, 12:20:25 AM
It is from Berlin as I said previously :)
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Post by: Wendax on November 05, 2011, 02:50:11 AM
Henschel?
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Post by: woodinsight on November 05, 2011, 03:48:44 AM
Kamper (with an umlaut)?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 05, 2011, 07:52:59 AM
Neither of those
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Post by: Wendax on November 05, 2011, 08:11:30 AM
Did the manufacturer build only electric vehicles or petrol engined ones as well?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 05, 2011, 09:04:35 AM
It was best known for its electric vehicles, but according to the Beaulieu Encyclopedia, this company also built more conventional cars as well.
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Post by: Paul Jaray on November 05, 2011, 09:07:59 AM
Kaiser fits them all, but was not from Berlin...
You wrote NO to AAA, but what about Elektric?
No cant' be (1922).
Fulgura?
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Post by: Wendax on November 05, 2011, 10:25:09 AM
We seem to have skipped this one: Could it be a 1910 Siemens-Schuckert?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on November 05, 2011, 10:26:51 AM
I'm stuck on letter 'P'... :-\
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Post by: woodinsight on November 05, 2011, 12:00:50 PM
BMF/Tempelhof?
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Post by: pnegyesi on November 05, 2011, 12:46:03 PM
Wendax eventually found it. It is a Siemens-Schuckert electric, probably made in 1910. This was bought by the Budapest Electric Company in 1918 and was used until 1926
Title: Solved: PN #747 - Siemens-Schuckert electric car, 6 HP, cca 1914
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2015, 11:50:07 AM
Please identify this car for a point
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: pnegyesi on May 31, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
Experts?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 08, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: Wendax on June 08, 2015, 11:02:34 AM
An electric car from Austria?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 08, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
an electric car but not from Austria
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Post by: Wendax on June 08, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
From Germany?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 08, 2015, 11:14:52 AM
yes
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Post by: 4popoid on June 08, 2015, 12:17:20 PM
Fischer by West Autohaus Alex Fischer & Co., Berlin, circa 1913?
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Post by: Wendax on June 08, 2015, 01:13:25 PM
Bergmann BEL 750?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 08, 2015, 02:17:04 PM
no 2x
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Post by: Wendax on June 08, 2015, 02:19:45 PM
Hagen?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 08, 2015, 02:34:48 PM
no
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Post by: Wendax on June 08, 2015, 02:35:14 PM
AAA?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 08, 2015, 02:37:29 PM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on June 08, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
Fram by Fram Auto AG of Berlin, circa 1912?
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Post by: pnegyesi on June 09, 2015, 12:31:59 PM
no
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Post by: 4popoid on June 09, 2015, 12:44:18 PM
Manufactured in 1914, or before?
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: pnegyesi on June 09, 2015, 01:19:13 PM
I suppose it was built before 1914 - it was bought by the organisation which took the photo as a used vehicle in 1918
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: Wendax on June 09, 2015, 01:57:42 PM
Lloyd?
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Post by: 4popoid on June 09, 2015, 02:28:36 PM
Was the manufacturer of this car active after 1918?
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: pnegyesi on June 09, 2015, 03:05:54 PM
Not a Lloyd, and I say this: yes the company was active beyond 1918 but there's a but. I am not inclined to reveal the "but" part just yet
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: ropat53 on June 09, 2015, 04:33:23 PM
Siemens-Schuckert 6/10 PS, which I believe were made by Automobilwerk Wilhelm Körting?
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Post by: Paul Jaray on June 09, 2015, 06:56:19 PM
Elite/Geha?
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Post by: 4popoid on June 09, 2015, 07:46:08 PM
Protos?  Protos was taken over by Siemens-Schuckert in 1908, but continued to produce cars under the Protos brand, including electric cars, some of which were manufactured in the Bergmann Electric plant.
Title: Re: PN #747
Post by: pnegyesi on June 10, 2015, 03:45:13 AM
It was ropat53 who first said the word "Siemens". 

This is a Siemens electric car which was bought by the Budapest Electric Company in 1918 as a used vehicle. Its engine was noted as having 6 hp. It was in use until 1925.
Title: Re: Solved: PN #747 - Siemens-Schuckert electric car, 6 HP, cca 1914
Post by: 4popoid on June 10, 2015, 04:07:39 AM
I have a question Pal.  It is my understanding that Siemens-Schuckert stopped producing automobiles under that name in 1910, and after 1910 sold their vehicles under the Protos brand, which they owned after 1908.  If this is true, and if this car is circa 1914, wouldn't this be a Protos? 
Title: Re: Solved: PN #747 - Siemens-Schuckert electric car, 6 HP, cca 1914
Post by: pnegyesi on June 10, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
Yes, this bothers me as well. But this photo album proved to be very reliable when it comes to identifying cars. So it is possible that it was made earlier.
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