Can you recognize this car? Let us know and if you are right, a point will be yours!
Experts?
It is a English kit car named E.B. (Edwards Brothers) Debonair 1962.
Yes, correct
I've been waiting for this one to come up since it first appeared on the Rookies board, but in the event I was defeated by the time differential in the UK (we're an hour behind everyone else in Europe...) and was pipped at the post by just a few minutes!
But I was going to say it was an LMB Debonair, as it could well also have been since Leslie Bellamy did a deal with Edwards to fit their body to his chassis.
Although it was produced until 1962, when Bellamy retired completely from the car industry, the Debonair was first introduced by the Edwards Brothers at the Racing Car Show, Olympia in January 1961.
So strictly speaking the 1962 date is only correct if it's an LMB Debonair; if it's an EB Debonair it should be 196!!
Anyone know how to tell the difference between an EB and an LMB Debonair? Quiller? Djetset?
a) not Bellamy but Ballamy
b) this one looks longer behind the rear wheel than I remember or than I can find in other photos. The missing rear screen makes it look wrong anyway, of course!
The page where I found this picture says 1962 and EB Debonaird. I am happy to change the details if someone proves me wrong
EB Debonair:
LMB Debonair:
Quote from: Allan L on March 10, 2010, 11:29:15 AM
a) not Bellamy but Ballamy
You're absolutely right Allan!
All the times I've seen the name and never noticed that. Your brain sees what it expects, not what's actually there!
Quote from: Carnut on March 10, 2010, 12:07:12 PM
EB Debonair:
Quote from: Carnut on March 10, 2010, 12:11:58 PM
LMB Debonair:
I also know the page, first I remembered the car as LMB debonair, but searching in google I found the original photo on a German site so I decided to respond EB debonair and year attributed to It. It is true that for what is said on the page displaying Carnut It is likely that the year and the car does not correspond, although no exact date between denomination EB and LMB. The only certain thing is that the design is of Edwards Brothers and the model debonair, Sorry for my English.
Who knows this car?
www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11387.0
changed roles? ;D
I´m not totally sure, but I´ve got a different designation for this one...
I do have another name for this. Maybe our experts will know it.
LMB Debonair
Not this one.
It was also known as the EB Debonair (Edwards Brothers), but as the EB/LMB Debonair the same car has appeared before on AP (see my Reply #1).
I've tried but have been unable to find another name for it.
The only other possible variation I can find is that the chassis of the LMB (later EB) Debonair went on to form the basis of the Reliant Sabre sports car, although using a different (Ashley) body.
Is this then a prototype for the Reliant Sabre, still using a Debonair body?
It is not a prototype.
The source I´ve scanned it from has a different name and make for this Ford based kit car.
Quote from: grobmotorix on March 20, 2011, 12:19:31 PM
It is not a prototype.
The source I´ve scanned it from has a different name and make for this Ford based kit car.
And there's no doubt that this source is reliable and correct?
I´ve scanned the picture from a standard german car cataloque from the early 1960´s and I think I can´t see other blunders in it - so I´m quite sure it is reliable.
Professionals will know it...
In the (big volume) source I have this car is listed in the years 1960-1963 with the name L.M.B. Debonnair GT
As I´ve said it is not this one or any other name mentioned before.
Certainly there must be a connection to the debonair...
Maybe we should stop the puzzle here and I may reveil my source.
Then we can start a discussion if this company has ever existed and if it has built this car under the name I want to hear.
What do you all think?
Well, I took up the question with the Debonair Registrar in the UK, a guy named Richard Disbrow, and he said he knows of no other version of this car than the EB and LMB Debonairs 1960-63.
That doesn't mean to say there isn't another one of course, but if anyone knows he should.
I've delved deeply into it in view of what you said but can find no mention in any of my books, many of which feature the Debonair.
So I would say yes, reveal it someone who is maybe in a poosition to look further into what you have?
Then I´d like to reveil my source.
To my best knowledge this kit car has also been sold under the name CRS Century.
But do not ask me, what CRS stands for and where the company has been located in GB.
My source is the very reliable "Die Automodell 1962/63" catalogue...
CRS Auto Engineers Lts from Footscray, Kent made an EB Debonair-bodied automobile with a box-section chassis equipped with Ford E93A parts.
Well, thank you Arunas.
So this seems to be the car that´s known with many different names...
Now I do have a problem.
Is it worth to award a point after I´ve revealed my source? i do not think so.
Or might an administrator just merge it with the Debonair puzzle??
Merged
Your call on awarding the point.
OK, I´ve awarded the point to Limo.
The Debonair has used only the so called "CRS Century" frame. So you would not name the whole car "CRS Century"....
I had tried to identify it from the registration, which I figured read "2 RKT" - a Kent registration!
I did think that a bit odd as most Debonairs I've seen pictured were Staffordshire registered, but that Kent number would check out now I see the answer.
So was it still called Debonair or did they call it a CRS Century? If they did then I'm sorry we've made you waste a good puzzle grobmotorix!
No problem, but maybe we´ll get even more information about it.
Thank you very much for your search!
Quote from: Carnut on March 26, 2011, 03:41:27 PM
So was it still called Debonair or did they call it a CRS Century? If they did then I'm sorry we've made you waste a good puzzle grobmotorix!
I've been looking around, but haven't come up with anything concrete.
The main online resource on Ford specials gives CRS Auto Engineers as selling two chassis from 1961 on, the Conquest for Ford E93A mechanicals, and the Century for more powerful engines. It also notes that they started to stock a range of fibreglass body shells from manufacturers including EB (Edwards Brothers).
The entry for CRS in Georgano's 1968
Encylopedia (below) specifically mentions the Debonair body, but unfortunately doesn't give any model names.
I just can't decipher the last letter of the registration number, though I agree with Carnut that it looks like 2 RK<something>. I've tried a few combinations, but nothing's come up. But then it's the sort of number which could have been subsequently sold as a personal plate. Even if we can confirm the correct number, it's quite likely to have been reallocated.
So not much further on, really. :-\
Thank you very much for this detailed extra information!
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Nice photos!
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