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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: Wendax on March 16, 2011, 03:33:01 AM
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99 wheels waiting for an identification.
For one point each, please respond and identify these threewheelers. I hope I found a nice variety, have fun.
The first picture is not a puzzle, just an appetizer. If you know more about this half-car-half-bicycle, just tell me. But the puzzle starts with the second picture.
Points will be awarded at the end of the puzzle.
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Second batch:
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Third batch:
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Fourth batch:
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The last picture shows a threewheeler I know almost nothing about, just the town where the picture was taken. Do you know more?
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This is the place for the solutions:
#1: Motalli City Car TR7 (Paul Jaray)
#2: Krupp Straßenkehrmaschine (Amsterdam)
#3: Douglas Handyvan (woodinsight)
#4: Wendax WL 250 (DeAutogids)
#5: BET 500 (DeAutogids)
#6: Minerva Tri-Scooter (Amsterdam)
#7: MEBEA Bingo (pguillem)
#8: FLH (Luther & Heyer) (pnegyesi)
#9: Scootavia (pguillem)
#10: Hercules 200 (Carnut)
#11: Tamag (Amsterdam)
#12: Ardex 1938 (pguillem)
#13: P.Vallée Triporteur (Oguerrerob)
#14: SP Spi-Tri (barrett)
#15: Deutz Mokema (Amsterdam)
#16: SAM (DeAutogids)
#17: Magnet Selbstfahrer (Allemano)
#18: Rollfix Eilwagen (DeAutogids)
#19: SLM (pnegyesi)
#20: Gabor Kovacs (Amsterdam)
#21: Cimera Boli (Amsterdam)
#22: Meyra Motorwagen 56 (Amsterdam)
#23: Zoetrans (Oguerrerob)
#24: Zoe Z/3000 ST (barrett)
#25: Moto Car (Paul Jaray)
#26: Omega TriStar (studhamsmudger)
#27: Roustabout (Allemano)
#28: Triad SIE (Oguerrerob)
#29: Cicostar LC 78 (pguillem)
#30: AC Town Car (Oguerrerob)
#31: E-Save E-Taxicle Palawan (pnegyesi)
#32: Scheuch Schlepper (Tom_I)
#33: Swedish threewheeler from Kåge (Oguerrerob)
Points so far:
Amsterdam: 7
Oguerrerob: 5
DeAutogids: 4
pguillem: 4
pnegyesi: 3
Allemano: 2
barrett: 2
Paul Jaray: 2
Carnut: 1
studhamsmudger: 1
Tom_I: 1
woodinsight: 1
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That's a lot of "cars".
The ID's of many are within this very web site. 8)
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The ID's of many are within this very web site. 8)
I just exchanged two pictures that were reposts. I must have forgotten to check those. I hope the rest is fine. :sigh:
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I see at least two threewheelers left which can be find on autopuzzles.com. Maybe you have different names for them.
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I recognise some.
2nd one has many names. Sulky, Lawil, etc. I will go for Sulky.
6th one is Greek. BET 500.
7th is Belgian. Minerva
Three Wheels 16.JPG is SAM
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I hope the rest is fine. :sigh:
It's not a problem. More of a nudge to the members here to remember the gold mine of information in this site.
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Is 01 an All Cars Charly?
10 = 1933 Hercules Coupe?
Is 24 Reliant-based?
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threewheels10.jpg = 1932 Hercules coupe powered by a 2000cc ILO engine. ;) produced for one year only.
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2nd one has many names. Sulky, Lawil, etc. I will go for Sulky.
6th one is Greek. BET 500.
7th is Belgian. Minerva
Three Wheels 16.JPG is SAM
In the following I refer to the numbers beneath the pictures ;)
#1 is not a Sulky.
#5 is the BET 500 from Greece. Correct!
#6 is a Minerva. I have a model name for it, how about you?
#16 is SAM from Greece. Correct!
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Is 01 an All Cars Charly?
10 = 1933 Hercules Coupe?
Is 24 Reliant-based?
#1 is not an All Cars Charly.
#10 is the Hercules 200 Coupé. Correct!
#24 is Reliant-based, but what is it exactly?
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threewheels10.jpg = 1932 Hercules coupe powered by a 2000cc ILO engine. ;) produced for one year only.
Very nice picture, but unfortunately, Carnut was faster.
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three wheels 18.jpg = Goliath truck
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No, it is not a Goliath.
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#21 1952 Boli by Industralist Jose Bolinche of Valencia Cimera line
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Correct! #21 is the Cimera Boli.
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#20 The home-built three-wheeled car of Hungary Gabor Kovacs
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Yes, it is.
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Is 18 a Tempo?
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Not a Tempo either
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Three Wheels 24.JPG is a pimped Robin Reliant. I mean Reliant Robin.
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#11 Warburger (Tamag chassis)?
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Three Wheels 30.JPG looks like a Bond Minicar
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Three Wheels 24.JPG is a pimped Robin Reliant. I mean Reliant Robin.
Yes, Carnut has identified the Reliant base, too. But this Robin isn't a private one-off. There was a small series built and officially sold. I need the correct designation.
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#18 Eilfix with Raschke coach
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#11 Warburger (Tamag chassis)?
Well, let's forget about Warburger ;D . But Tamag is correct.
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Three Wheels 30.JPG looks like a Bond Minicar
But it isn't one.
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#18 Eilfix with Raschke coach
Don't believe everything you can find on the web. There never was a threewheeler manufacturer from Germany named Eilfix. ;D But since you know the original picture, you can start digging from there.
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#32 anything to do with Allgaier?
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#18 Eilfix with Raschke coach
Don't believe everything you can find on the web. There never was a threewheeler manufacturer from Germany named Eilfix. ;D But since you know the original picture, you can start digging from there.
Rollfix Eilwagen
(I knew it before this post)
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#32 anything to do with Allgaier?
No
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Rollfix Eilwagen
(I knew it before this post)
Well done, there was no lock. It is in fact a Rollfix Eilwagen.
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#6 Minerva Tri-scooter
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#6 Minerva Tri-scooter
That's the model name, I was looking for. Bad luck, DeAutogids. One point for you, Amsterdam.
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#22 Meyra tricycle
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#24 is the Zoe Z/3000ST, a Reliant Rialto made for the american market
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#6 Minerva Tri-scooter
That's the model name, I was looking for. Bad luck, DeAutogids. One point for you, Amsterdam.
You win some, you loose some ;)
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# 07 is a MEBEA Bingo, another Greek 3-wheeler.
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#22 Meyra tricycle
Yes, it is a Meyra, but which model?
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#24 is the Zoe Z/3000ST, a Reliant Rialto made for the american market
That's correct. It was supposed to be marketed as a rallye car, hence the wide rear track :D
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# 07 is a MEBEA Bingo, another Greek 3-wheeler.
That's also correct. Well done.
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#22 Meyra tricycle
Yes, it is a Meyra, but which model?
Motorwagen 56 mit einem Ilo Motor M 200 V3R
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#14 is the SP Spi-Tri, another American Reliant variation, this time an unofficial continuation of the Bond Bug theme
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#14 is the SP Spi-Tri, another American Reliant variation, this time an unofficial continuation of the Bond Bug theme
Right again!
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#23 is another Zoe product, a three-wheeled version of the French Ligier, but I'm not sure what the exact model designation was
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#23 is another Zoe product, a three-wheeled version of the French Ligier, but I'm not sure what the exact model designation was
Yes, it is. Locked for you until your next reply to find out the model designation.
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Runner?
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No, open for all again.
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#22 Meyra tricycle
Yes, it is a Meyra, but which model?
Motorwagen 56 mit einem Ilo Motor M 200 V3R
;)
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#22 Meyra tricycle
Yes, it is a Meyra, but which model?
Motorwagen 56 mit einem Ilo Motor M 200 V3R
;)
Yes, it is a Meyra Motorwagen 56.
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#2 Krupp (Kruppsche)-Dreirad kehrmaschine ?
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#2 Krupp (Kruppsche)-Dreirad kehrmaschine ?
and #15 is 1952 Mokema 15 hp Deutz engine
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#2 Krupp (Kruppsche)-Dreirad kehrmaschine ?
and #15 is 1952 Mokema 15 hp Deutz engine
Congratulations, both correct! Still some unsolved ones left ;)
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:D I know. Nice puzzle to dig trough the archive and....
Found a nice picture of the Minerva
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That's nice.
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#09 is a Scootavia.
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#09 is a Scootavia.
Right again!
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I hope this puzzle is solved soon, I've been waiting for an answer to #30 since I was about 12 years old...!
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Does #1 have something to do with Rolux ?
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Not at all. Did you really mean the blue #1 or the b/w intro picture?
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Not at all. Did you really mean the blue #1 or the b/w intro picture?
I meant the start picture. I was thinking of some contraption during war time, maybe in occupied Paris.
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The only thing I know about this picture is that it was taken in Italy, so there is probably no connection to any French maker. Any proven information is welcome. But I won't let the puzzle stay unsolved, if there isn't any. That's why I said that the start picture is not really a puzzle.
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Is #01 a Snuggy then?
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It is not a Snuggy.
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#26 Omega Tri-Star?
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#26 Omega Tri-Star?
Yes, that is one of the reposts. Either me or the search engine wasn't able to find it ;)
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It is not a Snuggy.
Autozodiaco?
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It is not a Snuggy.
Autozodiaco?
No, and none of its derivatives All-Cars, Vitrex, Steinwinter, ...
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It is not a Snuggy.
Autozodiaco?
No, and none of its derivatives All-Cars, Vitrex, Steinwinter, ...
OK I'll cross them off my list then.. Just thought I'd try them all one by one!
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As you can see, the Charly is a different car.
(Thanks for the pic, Hugo ;) )
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#29 Cicostar?
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#29 Cicostar?
Yes, give me the model designation, please.
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As you can see, the Charly is a different car.
Yes, I could see plenty of obvious differences but I thought it was similar enough to be the same derivation.
Clearly not though...
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#29 Cicostar?
Yes, give me the model designation, please.
Is it locked for studhamsmudger ?
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Well, I didn't lock it explicitly as I expected him to find the answer immediately. That's almost 10 hours ago.
Have a go at it, pguillem. It's a very easy point then.
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Well, I didn't lock it explicitly as I expected him to find the answer immediately. That's almost 10 hours ago.
Have a go at it, pguillem. It's a very easy point then.
Easy it is : Cicostar LC78 with a sach adlx engine 47 cm3
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Three Wheels 28.jpg = 1980 240zvette Fairlady Decepticon. :hah:
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Well, I didn't lock it explicitly as I expected him to find the answer immediately. That's almost 10 hours ago.
Have a go at it, pguillem. It's a very easy point then.
Easy it is : Cicostar LC78 with a sach adlx engine 47 cm3
Yes, that's the one.
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Three Wheels 28.jpg = 1980 240zvette Fairlady Decepticon. :hah:
No comment.
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What do I see ? #12 is an Ardex from 1938.
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What do I see ? #12 is an Ardex from 1938.
That's what I call unlimited excitement. ;D
You're right.
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Too excited, maybe. Did you gave me the point ?
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Points will be awarded at the end of the puzzle.
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Points will be awarded at the end of the puzzle.
OK, thanks. I think that I'm becoming a little bit hungry.
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#04 Wendax (:)) Eillieferwagen WL 250
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#04 Wendax (:)) Eillieferwagen WL 250
Of course. I couldn't resist it ;D ;D ;D
I thought, there wouldn't be much time between the discovery of the Grohsbach and the Wendax ;)
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Admittedly, that's how I found it.
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I should have taken one of those pictures:
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#8 Phänomen Phänomobil from 1914 ?
#18 Zündapp Lieferwagen from 1933 ?
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#8 Phänomen Phänomobil from 1914 ?
No, more obscure.
#18 Zündapp Lieferwagen from 1933 ?
#18 was already identified as a Rollfix.
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Pros, the Experts have left some nice ones for you.
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#27 1960 Roustabout 3-Wheel Jeep Pickup
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#27 1960 Roustabout 3-Wheel Jeep Pickup
Yes, that's the one.
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#1 Motali City-Car
#25 Moto-Car
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30 AC Petite from UK
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#1 Motali City-Car
#25 Moto-Car
#1: Almost correct, I have a different spelling of the maker and a model designation. Locked for you.
#25: Yes, it is.
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30 AC Petite from UK
AC it is. I don't think that it is a Petite, but I don't have a model name for it. Tell me the year and the engine used, and the point will be yours, or a proven model name, of course. Locked for you.
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I have it as Motali or Motalli...I'll bet Motalli then.
The model name should be TR7.
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I have it as Motali or Motalli...I'll bet Motalli then.
The model name should be TR7.
Yes, I have it as Motalli City Car TR7.
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#13- I have it somewhere...is it Spanish?
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Not Spanish
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Number #17 is a Seal
"The Seal was first manufactured by Seal Motors Ltd in Manchester (UK).Produced from 1910 until the early 1930’s the vehicle was described by the manufacturer as being “Sociable, Economical and Light"(SEAL) ;)
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Number #17 is a Seal
"The Seal was first manufactured by Seal Motors Ltd in Manchester (UK).Produced from 1910 until the early 1930’s the vehicle was described by the manufacturer as being “Sociable, Economical and Light"(SEAL) ;)
It may look like a Sociable, it seems to be economical and light, but unfortunately, it is not a Seal.
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30. You are right thiss is AC Town Car 1971
Puch engine 500cc 4-stroke
Auto gearbox and 2 seats
8. Framo LT
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30. You are right thiss is AC Town Car 1971
Puch engine 500cc 4-stroke
Auto gearbox and 2 seats
Correct. It never really reached production, only 3 prototypes built. A 1972 one with registration number KPA185K was in the nowadays closed Störy microcar museum.
8. Framo LT
No, more obscure.
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#3 - Douglas Handyvan 1948
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#3 - Douglas Handyvan 1948
Yes, that's it.
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8. Rex 1940 from Sweden?
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8. Rex 1940 from Sweden?
No
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#8 Cyklonette ?
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#8 Cyklonette ?
No, more obscure
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#13 Lambretta?
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#13 Lambretta?
No
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Is No8 a Magnet?
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#3: I saw it somewhere...Spanish?
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Is No8 a Magnet?
My answer could be simple as "No", but my answer is "#8 isn't a Magnet". ??? ;)
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#3: I saw it somewhere...Spanish?
#3 is already solved. If you meant #13, it isn't Spanish.
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Is No8 a Magnet?
My answer could be simple as "No", but my answer is "#8 isn't a Magnet". ??? ;)
Well, I tried an obscure German three-wheeler :)
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My answer could be simple as "No", but my answer is "#8 isn't a Magnet". ??? ;)
...as #17 is probably a Magnet
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Magnet-Selbstfahrer to be exact
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Magnet-Selbstfahrer to be exact
You got my hint. #17 is a Magnet Selbstfahrer from 1911.
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:bag:
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Is no8 a predecessor of Framo, something like LT200? Picture was taken at Oldtimer-Museum Schmidt
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Is no8 a predecessor of Framo, something like LT200? Picture was taken at Oldtimer-Museum Schmidt
It is not a predecessor, but a rival. Since you found the location, it is only a very little step to the name of it.
Locked for you until your next reply, Pal.
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Made by Luther und Heyer in Berlin
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Yes, that's it. It was also known as the F.L.H.
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What about the last ones?
You all have found out the following so far:
#13: not Lambretta, not Spanish
#19: -
#23: threewheeler conversion of the French Ligier JS 4, sold by the US company Zoe, just the model name is missing
#28: -
#31: -
#32: -
#33: - (To get that point, just tell me where the picture was taken, additional information will get you another point).
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No23: Zoe Runner?
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No23: Zoe Runner?
barrett had already guessed this designation. As I've looked up my source again, I'm not absolutely sure anymore, whether the name I'm looking for is the model name or the brand name foe Zoe's commercial vehicles. My problem is that I don't know how the Zoe Runner looked like. If you can prove this Ligier conversion is it, I will be convinced. For the time being, we are seeking for the model / brand name I have.
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More info about #24 :
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28. Triad SIE 3-Wheel. Two models are available. Three wheeler powered by any large motorcycle or small automobile engine. And conventional four wheeled model. Bodies are identical
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Congratulations, that is the one.
That leaves:
#13: not Lambretta, not Spanish
#19: -
#23: threewheeler conversion of the French Ligier JS 4, sold by the US company Zoe, just the model/brand name is missing
#31: -
#32: -
#33: - (To get that point, just tell me where the picture was taken, additional information will get you another point).
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13: French?
19 and 32: Germans?
31: European?
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13: French?
Yes
19 and 32: Germans?
19: No
32: Yes
31: European?
No
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No13: Juery?
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No
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No13: it's not a Peugeot, is it?
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Not a Peugeot
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No13 and No32: were these produced in smaller series?
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The builder of #13 built several "triporteurs" with different bodywork in a series production. Whether the pictured one was a one-off body, I don't know, but at least there were several similar ones.
#32 was built in a small series.
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13. P Vallee Triporteur
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13. P Vallee Triporteur
Yes, it is.
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23. Zoetrans. A source says that this one is a Reliant Commercial Vehicle 1985
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Zoetrans is the name I'm looking for. I guess it is the name for the commercial vehicles from Zoe, as it was used for the Ligier-type Zoes as well as for the Reliant van sold by Zoe.
A better readable picture of this ad:
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33. this guy looks pretty much French. I think I've seen this picture before, I'll keep searching.
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33. this guy looks pretty much French. I think I've seen this picture before, I'll keep searching.
He may look French, but he isn't.
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28. Triad SIE 3-Wheel. Two models are available. Three wheeler powered by any large motorcycle or small automobile engine. And conventional four wheeled model. Bodies are identical
Both versions visible here:
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That leaves:
#19: Not German
#31: Not European
#32: German, built in a small series
#33: Not French
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Zoetrans is the name I'm looking for. I guess it is the name for the commercial vehicles from Zoe, as it was used for the Ligier-type Zoes as well as for the Reliant van sold by Zoe
I thought that Zoetrans was the name of the company who built the vehicles marketed as Zoes....?
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I think the company's name was Zoe Motors Inc.
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31. Asian?
33. Belgium?
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#31 is Asian, #33 is not from Belgium.
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33. European at all?
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Yes, #33 is European
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33. Poland?
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No31: is there anything distinctive about this 3-wheeler which would differentiate it from the ton of similar motorized rickshaws?
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33. Poland?
No
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No31: is there anything distinctive about this 3-wheeler which would differentiate it from the ton of similar motorized rickshaws?
Besides the very distinctive paintjob the difference is that the ton of similar motorized rickshaws is not similar motorized.
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from Spain?
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from Spain?
No
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Keep guessing: Portugal?
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You have to go much more north.
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Denmark?
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Almost
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Netherlands?
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Wrong direction
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Sweden?
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Yes, it is from Sweden. I guess we could go on this way for hours trying to find the community where the picture was taken. But I tell you right away that it is in Kåge. Unless somebody else will come up with more information about this car, I will award you the point for this one at the end of the puzzle.
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That leaves:
#19: Not German, Clue: the correct country should bring you the solution
#31: Asian, not the usual rickshaw engine
#32: German, built in a small series, Clue: another version of this tractor was used for a non-agricultural purpose
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No19: North American?
No31: petrol-engined?
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No to both
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No19: European?
No31: electric?
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Yes to both :)
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No19: From Western Europe?
No31: from India?
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No19: From Western Europe?
Yes
No31: from India?
No, but South East Asia is the right area
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No19: Switzerland?
No31: Philippines?
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You are right on both.
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No19: SLM?
No31: Gerweiss E4
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No19: SLM?
No31: Gerweiss E4
#19 is the SLM, congratulations.
#31 is interesting, as I have a completely different name. But I can see that it was also marketed as the Gerweiss E4. I will give you the point anyway. I have it as the E-Save E-Taxicle Palawan. That company has a fairly professional website, especially compared to Gerweiss. You can even read E-Save in the background of the picture Gerweiss uses ;)
That leaves #32 as the last puzzle threewheeler.
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(http://www.oldie-scheune.ch/locki3.jpg) (http://www.oldie-scheune.ch/locki1.png)
SLM
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No32: built before the 2nd WW?
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No32: built before the 2nd WW?
Not quite sure whether really built before WW II, but at least built during WW II.
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Was it made by a tractor manufacturer?
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It was developped by an engineer who would create a new kind of tractor later on. The development took place in cooperation with a large car manufacturer. But it was not built by the big company but by the engineer's company.
As another clue I attach a picture of the tractor with the single rear wheel replaced by an agricultural machine.
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Ursus Bambi
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Ursus Bambi
No
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Final clue: The builder of #32 also derived a version for less peaceful tasks than agriculture.
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It's a Scheuch-Schlepper (tractor), originally intended for agricultural use. The Scheuch company of Erfurt developed it in co-operation with Auto-Union, and various DKW engines were used. The wheel track could be varied to make it fit in different furrows. It could be used as a three-wheeled tractor, or the rear wheel could be detached by releasing four bolts, after which agricultural equipment could be fitted.
During WW2 these were adapted as specialised ground equipment for the Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet rocket-powered fighter aircraft. Early models of this did not have wheels, but took off on a starting dolly, which was jettisoned after take-off. The Scheuch-Schlepper was adaptable to tow the plane on its starting dolly, or with a special lifting device fitted, could act as a recovery vehicle for the Komet after it had landed.
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Congratulations, Tom_I. Finally this puzzle is solved.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Points will be awarded shortly.
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I understand that Egon Scheuch was the designer, but construction was at Bruno Müller. Just as an addition here.