Just a scale model that never made it into production.
For one point, please respond and identify the man and the company behind this project, as well as the proposed base car.
Stab in the dark--Raymond Loewy and Associates for a Studebaker base.
Hans Trippel, I thought, and the design might be a predecessor for what would become the Weidner Condor?
Quote from: Aaron65 on May 10, 2011, 05:58:06 PM
Stab in the dark--Raymond Loewy and Associates for a Studebaker base.
No, right decade, wrong continent
Quote from: DeAutogids on May 10, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
Hans Trippel, I thought, and the design might be a predecessor for what would become the Weidner Condor?
No, wrong man, wrong car, right country
It looks a slight bit Porsche-esque maybe?
No Porsche involvement
Ford?
No
Quote from: Wendax on May 11, 2011, 02:14:25 AM
Quote from: Aaron65 on May 10, 2011, 05:58:06 PM
Stab in the dark--Raymond Loewy and Associates for a Studebaker base.
No, right decade, wrong continent
Loewy and Associates worked with Studebaker, off and on, over 4 decades (1930's through 1960's). Should we assume you were referring to the 1950's as the right decade?
Sorry for being not precise. I associated the 1950s with Loewy's Studebakers.
GDR?
My inner bells ring "Wartburg"...
I suppose your inner bells need adjustment. It is West German.
Coachbuilder or mass producer?
Neither
Bavarian?
A Borgward?
As said before, no mass producer behind this project
Interesting...
A project by a designer? Like a study?
Student's project?
No to both.
It was a model that wasn't realized because the company ceased to exist. At least, that is one of the reasons.
Was this company before it went bust a microcar producer?
Yes
Messerschmitt?
No
LLoyd?
Neither
Zündapp?
Again no
Gutbrod?
Heinkel?
Kleinschnittger?
Wendax?
Neither of the above ;D
Brütsch?
Staunau?
No to both
Still some left ;)
Hoffman?
Not Hoffmann either
This looks like a four wheeled Pinguin...
Quote from: Allemano on May 15, 2011, 05:29:58 AM
This looks like a four wheeled Pinguin...
Locked for you until your next reply to follow that track and supply the wanted information
The main man after the Pinguin/Passat project was Romanus Müthig (after Kurt Faust left) the company's name was officialy Ruhrfahrzeugbau R. Müthing. There were several other man involved (such as cunstructor Norbert Stevenson of Fuldamobil) as well as companies which were about to take over the Pinguin brand (Rotenburger Metallwerke for instance). Unfortunately none of them finally succeeded.
Are these sufficient infos?
This model predates the Pinguin and is connected with a man not mentioned so far. He was involved in another microcar project, where this model was a leftover. The base car is still missing.
I read a little further now...
Rudolf Stierlen of Rotenburger Metallwerke ordered a four-wheeled car at Wickenbrock in Recklinghausen to improve the not successful concept of the Pinguin. Due to much too high production costs he finally abandoned the whole Pinguin project.
Sectretly Stierlen was about to continue the Pinguin project with another name. But "Hobby" and "Bel Ami" couldn't be trademarked. Motorcycle producer Express was only interested in a four-wheeled car which wasn't finished, yet. Kreidler was interested as well, but the asking price for the whole company was too expensive.
This model was based on a much bigger car. Still not the right man.
Edited my last post.
Alas I don't know the big based car you're talking about!
Quote from: Wendax on May 15, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
This model predates the Pinguin and is connected with a man not mentioned so far. He was involved in another microcar project, where this model was a leftover. The base car is still missing.
Look for someone who was involved in another microcar project before the Pinguin.
Open to all again.
Kurt Faust = Passat?
Another source reports that there was initially a four wheeler on a VW chassis constructed by Kurt Volkerath (of Opel RAK fame). Due to high costs they proceeded the three wheeled Pinguin while the fourwheeler project was rejected.
Quote from: Allemano on May 15, 2011, 06:35:19 AM
Kurt Faust = Passat?
Passat yes, Kurt Faust no (I think Faust was not involved with Pinguin)
Quote from: Allemano on May 15, 2011, 06:43:07 AM
Another source reports that there was initially a four wheeler on a VW chassis constructed by Kurt Volkerath (of Opel RAK fame). Due to high costs they proceeded the three wheeled Pinguin while the fourwheeler project was rejected.
Not this one
Then I have to give up I'm afraid.
:idea: found something on the internet..
The picture shows a 1:5 wooden model of a virtually 1951 Opel Kapitän based car.
It was Heinz Elschenbroich's own former, but never realized car project.
H. Elschenbroich was main sponsor and shareholder of M.E.V. (Müthing, Eschenbroich & Volkhart) Studiengesellschaft für Fahrzeugentwicklung in Herne.
Finally you found it, congratulations. I guess that is the only public source about this project as it wasn't mentioned in any microcar books I know.
Yes, I read all the Passat/Pinguin articles twice to find something. Frustrated I started a last try and to my amazement Google provided something suitable.
Nice puzzle! :)
Two more pictures:
wasted trunk capacity.
Quote from: Allemano on May 15, 2011, 07:09:47 AM
H. Elschenbroich was main sponsor and shareholder of M.E.V. (Müthing, Eschenbroich & Volkhart) Studiengesellschaft für Fahrzeugentwicklung in Herne.
Not so astonishing similarities to the Volkhart Sagitta proposal: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=8177.0
A side view of this scale model:
Volkhart originally made this model for a VW chassis, so the design is the final stage of his Sagitta: