Solved: Wendax 319 - Ivan GT

Wendax · August 25, 2011, 02:00:32 AM

I wonder what it looks like from the front.

For one point, please respond and identify this car, the year it was built and its base.

wingroad · August 26, 2011, 02:32:48 PM

Looks vaguely like some sort of Reliant Sabre

Wendax · August 26, 2011, 02:51:24 PM

Sorry, no Reliant involvement here

Wendax · September 02, 2011, 02:24:28 AM

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gilescooperuk · September 03, 2011, 02:44:01 PM

I am tempted to say Alfa-Romeo but the mud flaps have a Citroen style chevon on them?

Wendax · September 03, 2011, 02:48:37 PM

It is not related to any Alfa Romeo. And the mudflaps are just usual Sixties accessories without any Citroen connection. I rememberseeing them on many cars back then.

Siata1 · September 03, 2011, 03:37:12 PM

From Italy?

Wendax · September 03, 2011, 06:17:44 PM

Quote from: Siata1 on September 03, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
From Italy?

No

hondast · September 07, 2011, 05:17:36 AM

The base may be a british car?

Wendax · September 07, 2011, 05:20:29 AM

The base car is British.

hondast · September 07, 2011, 05:29:22 AM

IVAN GT, MG chassis and engine.

Wendax · September 07, 2011, 05:34:57 AM

Yes, it is. Locked for you to find out the year.

Allemano · September 07, 2011, 05:43:57 AM

I could be wrong and I do apologize in advance, but apparently that's another one found with that wicked tool! How on earth would he come to that conclusion after asking "is the base car British"? (I checked and it works!)

Sorry, but if this issue won't be fixed I'll refuse posting anything on this board.

Carnut · September 07, 2011, 06:21:32 AM

Quote from: Allemano on September 07, 2011, 05:43:57 AM
I could be wrong and I do apologize in advance, but apparently that's another one found with that wicked tool! How on earth would he come to that conclusion after asking "is the base car British"? (I checked and it works!)

Sorry, but if this issue won't be fixed I'll refuse posting anything on this board.

Must say I tend to agree.
It makes the whole thing just too easy and is no longer a test of automotive knowledge.
This could be the death of AP if we're not careful...
Know Otto has the matter in hand and hope he can find the (impossible-looking) solution..

Allemano · September 07, 2011, 06:37:51 AM

I've tested a few things in the past hours and I have to say it's not as easy as I was hoping...
I did rotate a pic a few degrees, changed it to grey scale, changed the entire color, but google referred always again to the same source — very frustrating! Maybe I'll try a few of the PS filters when I'm home. Will keep you informed.

Carnut · September 07, 2011, 10:06:11 AM

Quote from: Allemano on September 07, 2011, 06:37:51 AM
I've tested a few things in the past hours and I have to say it's not as easy as I was hoping...
I did rotate a pic a few degrees, changed it to grey scale, changed the entire color, but google referred always again to the same source — very frustrating! Maybe I'll try a few of the PS filters when I'm home. Will keep you informed.

Strangely it doesn't work at all on my computer anyway.
There is no camera icon so no means to upload or copy photos into the Search box.
Others might wonder what we're talking about too!

pguillem · September 07, 2011, 11:43:31 AM

Quote from: Carnut on September 07, 2011, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: Allemano on September 07, 2011, 06:37:51 AM
I've tested a few things in the past hours and I have to say it's not as easy as I was hoping...
I did rotate a pic a few degrees, changed it to grey scale, changed the entire color, but google referred always again to the same source — very frustrating! Maybe I'll try a few of the PS filters when I'm home. Will keep you informed.

Strangely it doesn't work at all on my computer anyway.
There is no camera icon so no means to upload or copy photos into the Search box.
Others might wonder what we're talking about too!

Do I understand that it is some image recognition software ?

Carnut · September 07, 2011, 11:45:13 AM

Yes, you understand correctly.
The image can be inserted into the Search box on Google Image Search and Google will look for similar images.
You can read about it in the Editors section.

SACO · September 07, 2011, 05:43:26 PM

No problem if you make a light slope of the photo !

pguillem · September 07, 2011, 06:15:01 PM

Quote from: Carnut on September 07, 2011, 11:45:13 AM
Yes, you understand correctly.
The image can be inserted into the Search box on Google Image Search and Google will look for similar images.
You can read about it in the Editors section.

Oh yes I understand. I never used the "Search for similar images" this way. I used it in association with an image already found by Google, such as in the case of the Venus roadster, but SACO was quickier by a few seconds.

However, i don't understand how Hondast could have find the answer with the question "is the base car British"? and why he asked this question if he had already found the car. When I copied the image on them Google search box, I found the Zwischengas reference, where it is clearly said that this car is based on a MG chassis from 1961. That was easy to decipher, even if you had a minimal knowledge of German, as the automatic translation helps a lot in such a case.

Technology, technology. BTW, Google Streets is scanning the Amazon basin. I wonder if we'll have some gems from here in the future, after the jewel from a Venezuelan scrapyard, as AP seems to be lacking a little bit of resources.

pguillem · September 07, 2011, 06:32:16 PM

Quote from: Allemano on September 07, 2011, 05:43:57 AM
I could be wrong and I do apologize in advance, but apparently that's another one found with that wicked tool! How on earth would he come to that conclusion after asking "is the base car British"? (I checked and it works!)

Sorry, but if this issue won't be fixed I'll refuse posting anything on this board.

I agree. This means that any image on the Web can be found this way. I tested this with some old images which I had on my hard disk and they were found in a fraction of a second. The only chance would be if no site has it anymore, hoping that Google Images doesn't search the cache. For example, I just found in a few seconds the answer to MJW_581 and NEH 1231.

The alternative, as suggested by SACO, is to alter somewhat the images. Does it work ?

Wendax · September 09, 2011, 02:53:32 AM

Two days without response to the missing year of construction. I will unlock now and open it for all. Have a go(ogle).

Delorean · September 09, 2011, 04:28:10 AM

Actualy, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Sometimes when I see a picture and I know what it is (from my bookcollection at home), I look it up in Google to find out the rest of the information asked. Because I don't always have access to my books at home and I don't know all the dates out of my head, I use Google to fill in the rest of the question asked. And sometimes I find out more than I allready knew, so Google searching isn't that bad, is it?

About this puzzle: if it's an Ivan GT, it isn't difficult to find out that the year was 1965/1966 ... (and I've Googled that last bit)

Carnut · September 09, 2011, 04:44:54 AM

Quote from: Delorean on September 09, 2011, 04:28:10 AM
Actualy, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Sometimes when I see a picture and I know what it is (from my bookcollection at home), I look it up in Google to find out the rest of the information asked. Because I don't always have access to my books at home and I don't know all the dates out of my head, I use Google to fill in the rest of the question asked. And sometimes I find out more than I allready knew, so Google searching isn't that bad, is it?

About this puzzle: if it's an Ivan GT, it isn't difficult to find out that the year was 1965/1966 ... (and I've Googled that last bit)

Think you've missed the point - we ALL use Google and it's a great tool, but what we're grumbling about is the Google Image Search, where you just copy and paste the image into the Search box, press the Search button and Hey Presto! - it searches the 'net for that image and (sometimes!) comes right up with it and where to find it. Way way too easy and no automotive knowledge required. Spoils the Fun!

Wendax · September 09, 2011, 04:48:48 AM

Quote from: Delorean on September 09, 2011, 04:28:10 AM
About this puzzle: if it's an Ivan GT, it isn't difficult to find out that the year was 1965/1966 ... (and I've Googled that last bit)

Yes, that is the last piece of information I wanted. A point for you.

Quote from: Delorean on September 09, 2011, 04:28:10 AM
Actualy, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Sometimes when I see a picture and I know what it is (from my bookcollection at home), I look it up in Google to find out the rest of the information asked. Because I don't always have access to my books at home and I don't know all the dates out of my head, I use Google to fill in the rest of the question asked. And sometimes I find out more than I allready knew, so Google searching isn't that bad, is it?

Delorean, we all use Google every day and there is nothing bad about it. By using the classic Google search you have to put in some ideas by means of keywords and you have to go through the suggested weblinks to find your answer. It is like using a good book or library register. What the current discussion is about is the Google tool Search by Images where you download the puzzle picture and upload it as a search string at Google. In return you get the weblink where you can find the picture and where probably the puzzler has got his information from. You don't need to have any automotive knowledge. It could be MoviestarPuzzles, VacationPicturePuzzles or FacebookPicturePuzzle. That is what makes puzzle posting with pictures from the internet frustrating.

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Solved: Wendax 319 - Ivan GT