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Title: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: @re on June 25, 2008, 07:16:20 PM
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Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 17, 2008, 05:46:14 AM
Promoted!
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 17, 2008, 07:27:11 AM
Is this a William Town design?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 17, 2008, 08:36:37 AM
That is very, very unlikely.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 17, 2008, 11:19:15 AM
Is this a production model, OEM car? (i.e., not a one-off or kit car)?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 17, 2008, 12:20:25 PM
I have not found any proof that there is more than one of these.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 17, 2008, 12:22:52 PM
Is there a Sbarro connection?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 17, 2008, 12:31:46 PM
Not to my knowledge.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 17, 2008, 12:37:07 PM
I got nuthin' ^-^
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: SeaLion on July 20, 2008, 01:57:12 AM
Is it a Lambo-look-a-like kit based on a VW Type 1?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 20, 2008, 06:36:18 PM
There are some visual similarities between a Countach and this one, and that's probably intentional. Regarding its base, I don't know what kind of chassis it's built on - but I can tell you that the engine is quite a lot more interesting than a Beetle unit (no offense to Beetle lovers).
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 22, 2008, 07:14:53 PM
All right - I'll help you a bit and offer another angle:
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: grobmotorix on July 23, 2008, 05:49:42 AM
I think it is german or austrian and that I´ve seen it once, but I´ve got no idea really...
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on July 23, 2008, 05:56:44 AM
It's neither German nor Austrian.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 31, 2008, 08:03:09 AM
Rotary engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on October 31, 2008, 06:28:47 PM
No - its displacement is quite a lot bigger than that of rotary engines. There's no substitute... and so on ;)
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 01, 2008, 03:03:08 AM
Is it a GM power plant?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 04, 2008, 04:31:41 PM
No, it isn't.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 04, 2008, 04:41:24 PM
US engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 04, 2008, 05:49:12 PM
Not at all :)
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: jotage21 on November 04, 2008, 10:04:20 PM
Shark S1?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 05, 2008, 12:00:15 AM
Quote from: jotage21 on November 04, 2008, 10:04:20 PM
Shark S1?

What is Shark S1, I've never heard of it.. Google either  ;D
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 05, 2008, 02:23:33 AM
Lambo engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: jotage21 on November 05, 2008, 06:58:33 AM
It´s a Shark S1
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Allemano on November 05, 2008, 07:29:12 AM
Looks different than the mystery car, doesn't it? And it seems to have an American powerplant. ???

I guess it's an European car with a big, maybe Italian engine!
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 05, 2008, 07:43:13 AM
Quote from: jotage21 on November 05, 2008, 06:58:33 AM
It´s a Shark S1

Where did You get that picture & where to get any information about this car?

UPDATE: here is the link: <<< Link Removed >>> BUT! It doesn't work for me   :'( So.. Could anyone tell me anything more about this great rarity? Thank You!
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 05, 2008, 09:44:27 AM
That was a good guess, and I see certain similarities, but that one must surely be related to a Vector of some sort? Nice car, anyway.

But the puzzle car in question is certainly not a Shark S1.

It is European, but it does not have a Lamborghini engine - the engine isn't Italian at all.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Allemano on November 05, 2008, 04:07:10 PM
Maybe BMW or Mercedes engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 05, 2008, 07:02:13 PM
None of the above mentioned, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: jotage21 on November 05, 2008, 08:25:49 PM
French car?

Arunas: The info that I have about the Shark S1 I collected circa one year agot, it has a 502 cid engine.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 05, 2008, 11:43:48 PM
Quote from: jotage21 on November 05, 2008, 08:25:49 PM
French car?

Arunas: The info that I have about the Shark S1 I collected circa one year agot, it has a 502 cid engine.

Any more pictures, details, anything? It seems there's only one website that had any info about this car  :-[
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 06, 2008, 03:44:27 AM
Jaguar engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 06, 2008, 10:08:40 PM
Still not there...
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 07, 2008, 03:08:46 AM
Rolls?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 09, 2008, 02:35:53 PM
Not there, either.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 10, 2008, 04:16:14 AM
Gasoline-burning, otto-cycle engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 10, 2008, 06:44:51 PM
Yes. The engine is, for a modern one, a relatively conventional powerplant.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: SeaLion on November 11, 2008, 04:22:05 AM
BMW-engine? Or Rover V8?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 11, 2008, 07:20:59 PM
Neither BMW, nor Rover.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 12, 2008, 01:00:48 AM
So is the engine American or European?

Ford engine?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 12, 2008, 06:19:38 AM
The answer to the first question is yes.

The answer to the second question is no.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: neilshouse on November 12, 2008, 01:55:01 PM
502ci engine - Cadillac?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 12, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Is this car European?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 12, 2008, 07:09:03 PM
Quote from: @re on November 05, 2008, 09:44:27 AM
It is European, but it does not have a Lamborghini engine - the engine isn't Italian at all.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 12, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
It does not feature a Cadillac engine.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: jotage21 on November 12, 2008, 10:08:53 PM
Italian?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 13, 2008, 01:24:50 AM
Swiss car?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 13, 2008, 05:25:23 AM
Not Italian, and not Swiss.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 13, 2008, 06:21:01 AM
German?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 13, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: @re on July 23, 2008, 05:56:44 AM
It's neither German nor Austrian.

This answer still applies ;)
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 13, 2008, 11:44:59 PM
Norway?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 14, 2008, 05:40:16 AM
Not at all...
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 14, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
Quote from: @re on November 14, 2008, 05:40:16 AM
Not at all...

Sweden?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 14, 2008, 05:57:15 AM
Is the maker of the engine still manufacturing cars under its own name?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 14, 2008, 05:40:20 PM
Quote from: Arunas on November 14, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
Sweden?

Nope.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 14, 2008, 05:40:41 PM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on November 14, 2008, 05:57:15 AM
Is the maker of the engine still manufacturing cars under its own name?

Good question!

And the answer is no.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 15, 2008, 03:22:06 AM
Oldsmobile Toronado drivetrain?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 15, 2008, 07:16:24 AM
The drivetrain does not come from any Oldsmobile.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Otto Puzzell on November 15, 2008, 07:56:08 AM
AMC?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: SeaLion on November 15, 2008, 10:10:24 AM
At page 1 Otto Puzzell asked if the car have an US engine and @re answered "not at all". But it is a big otto-engine. A Mercedes V12 engine perhaps?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Allemano on November 15, 2008, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: SeaLion on November 15, 2008, 10:10:24 AM
A Mercedes V12 engine perhaps?

Also this has been asked before.... ;D
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 15, 2008, 08:50:46 PM
So many guesses have been made that I can't even remember what I've answered and not. I see that I've even answered some of the same questions twice aldready. So to clarify, this is what you know:

This is not a William Towns design, and as far as I can tell, it is a one-off.
There is no Sbarro connection. And it is not a Shark S1.

The car is not: German, Austrian, French, American, Italian, Swiss, Norwegian, or Swedish.
The car is: European.

The engine is not American, and not made by GM, Lamborghini, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce, Rover, Ford, Cadillac, or Oldsmobile.
It is not a rotary engine, but a relatively conventional, modern powerplant, made by a manufacturer that does not produce cars under its own name anymore. It's more interesting than that of a Volkswagen Beetle, but it is not Italian.

There, that about sums it up...
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: DHoffmann on November 15, 2008, 10:54:45 PM
English?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: JeffJue on November 15, 2008, 11:08:25 PM
a lot of obscure cars were made in Czech republic so it might possibly be from there.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 16, 2008, 02:22:45 AM
None said British car?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 16, 2008, 07:06:37 AM
JeffJue has made the most significant comment so far. I'll have to agree with him.

;)
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Allemano on November 16, 2008, 08:04:39 AM
Though I haven't found anything so far: has it something to do do with Innotech? (at least the colour is quite the same  :-\)

Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 16, 2008, 04:47:30 PM
I honestly don't know, but I think it is an entirely different venture.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Allemano on November 17, 2008, 01:29:11 PM
Maybe a silly question, but is to find on the internet at all?
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 17, 2008, 06:55:39 PM
The answer is a loud and clear yes!
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: SeaLion on November 18, 2008, 08:58:28 AM
The engine is perhaps sourced from Tatra?

Edit: And it was. The car's name is Grafit. It is from 1982/1983. One source call it Tatra Grafit, but in this 10-page magazine article it is just called Grafit:
<<< Link Removed >>>
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: @re on November 18, 2008, 10:33:17 AM
Bravo! It took some time, but finally this one met its match.
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Allemano on November 18, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: SeaLion on November 18, 2008, 08:58:28 AM
The engine is perhaps sourced from Tatra?

Edit: And it was. The car's name is Grafit. It is from 1982/1983. One source call it Tatra Grafit, but in this 10-page magazine article it is just called Grafit:
<<< Link Removed >>>


:applause: :hail:
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: Arunas on November 24, 2008, 06:38:29 AM
WOW! Finally it is solved! Nicely done  ;)
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: Arunas on March 19, 2011, 02:31:51 PM
More pics ;)
Title: Re: What car #337
Post by: Arunas on November 20, 2013, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: jotage21 on November 05, 2008, 06:58:33 AM
It´s a Shark S1

Does anyone have more information about the Shark S1 project by Shark Group fo Canada?
A website address of the manufacturer, if ay, would be appreciated!
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: dzima1985 on September 14, 2014, 02:09:06 PM
+ more photos
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: Arunas on September 14, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
Thanks for high-resolution photos.

You have just reminded me that somewhere I have a magazine with article about this car and probably specs too...
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: dzima1985 on September 14, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: Arunas on September 14, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
... you have just reminded me that somewhere I have a magazine with article about this car and probably specs too...
I have a scans from this magazine  :D
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: Allemano on September 15, 2014, 07:32:33 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: SOLVED - What car #337 - 1990s (Tatra) Grafit
Post by: grobmotorix on September 15, 2014, 12:56:50 PM
Cool!