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Title: What the coachbuilder saw: solved
Post by: Allan L on September 04, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
Many of our puzzles are of cars where the make is easy to identify but the coachbuilder is where the difficulty lies.
By way of a change here are 17 cars on which the coachbuilder (or bodyshop if you prefer) has yet to exercise his craft, so they must be quite easy to identify.
For each I need make and model at least, and I may get a bit intense about more detail for some of them.

Here are the first six:
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 04, 2011, 09:44:55 AM
And the next six:
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 04, 2011, 09:46:39 AM
And five more:
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: qwaszx on September 04, 2011, 05:01:18 PM
this selection seems a keynote speech on rear-axle suspension...
#4 horizontal coil springs and no 2cv: should be easy but I never saw that
#7 Bugatti 35 8 cylinder
#9 Lotus Elan, Colin Chapmans GRP/steel backboned sportscar.
#10 Ford USA prototype from the thirties?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 05, 2011, 04:38:25 AM
this selection seems a keynote speech on rear-axle suspension...
#4 horizontal coil springs and no 2cv: should be easy but I never saw that
#7 Bugatti 35 8 cylinder
#9 Lotus Elan, Colin Chapmans GRP/steel backboned sportscar.
#10 Ford USA prototype from the thirties?

Number 9 is correct, but the others are not.
By the very nature of car design, apart from the Lotus, most are from rather long ago.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 05, 2011, 04:43:19 AM
Here is a summary of the correct answers so far. Points will be added later.

Chassis 1 3 litre Bentley, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 2 Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica, solved by Tom_I
Chassis 3 Aston Martin International, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 4 1938 Atalanta, solved by D-type
Chassis 5 1949 Bentley Mk VI , solved by D-type
Chassis 6 BMW 315, solved by Woodinsight
Chassis 7 1934 Bugatti Type 59, solved by D-type
Chassis 8 E-type ERA , solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 9 Lotus Elan, solved by: qwaszx
Chassis 10 1935 Trojan Mastra, solved by D-type
Chassis 11 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 12 MG R-type, solved by Tom_I
Chassis 13 1929-1936 Rolls Royce Phantom II, solved by D-type
Chassis 14 1937 SS Jaguar 100 3.5 litre, solved by D-type
Chassis 15
Chassis 16 1926 Morris Cowley, solved by D-type
Chassis 17 1938 Brough Superior V12, solved by D-type
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allemano on September 05, 2011, 05:15:44 AM
Great puzzle! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 05, 2011, 05:19:51 AM
Great puzzle! :thumbsup:
I second that!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 05, 2011, 06:06:29 AM
Great puzzle! :thumbsup:
I second that!
Thanks, grazie, Danke schön!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 05, 2011, 07:05:35 AM
Featured on the AutoPuzzles front page.

http://www.autopuzzles.com/
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 05, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Featured on the AutoPuzzles front page.

http://www.autopuzzles.com/
Well, thanks for that!!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 07, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
157 views and featured on the front page, but only one reply so I'm moving it to the Experts after a week!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 11, 2011, 04:21:08 AM
so here it is then!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 11, 2011, 03:33:40 PM
Is #7 a Leyland 8?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 11, 2011, 06:48:20 PM
Is #7 a Leyland 8?
No, sorry.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 13, 2011, 04:57:14 AM
Is #7 a Leyland 8?
I was expecting a good few solutions from you, Duncan ;D
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 13, 2011, 05:32:50 PM
I know exactly where to look...  :thumbsup:
... but there's currently 249 pages to look through  :( 
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 13, 2011, 06:33:55 PM
#4 Atalanta
#10 Trojan Mastra
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 14, 2011, 03:46:54 AM
#4 Atalanta
#10 Trojan Mastra
Both correct!
I think I'll ask for the date (approximate) for both and any further information could be interesting!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 14, 2011, 06:26:36 PM
1938 for the Atalanta and 1935 for The Trojan

#13  Rolls Royce Phantom II from a date between 1929 and 1936
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: gilescooperuk on September 14, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
9 Lotus Elan 1960s version
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 15, 2011, 04:25:49 AM
9 Lotus Elan 1960s version
Yes, but "qwaszx" got there ten days ago!

1938 for the Atalanta and 1935 for The Trojan

#13  Rolls Royce Phantom II from a date between 1929 and 1936
That'll do for the dates: the supercharged Gough-engined Atalanta could be 1937-9
No. 13 is a RR PII and it may be that detailed knowledge would say it's the early version as central lubrication (introduced 1933) isn't visible ;D
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 15, 2011, 06:05:03 PM
#5 1949 Bentley Mk VI
#7 1934 Bugatti Type 59 (I should have recognised the wheels first time around!)
#14 1937 SS Jaguar 100 3.5 litre
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 16, 2011, 03:33:39 AM
#5 1949 Bentley Mk VI
#7 1934 Bugatti Type 59 (I should have recognised the wheels first time around!)
#14 1937 SS Jaguar 100 3.5 litre
Yes, those are they!
I thought you might be able to answer these - possibly the last remaining Expert who can, as it was all too easy to score 200 points and become a Pro and when you get the points for this, you'll be well over halfway there :o
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 16, 2011, 09:29:29 AM
Thanks for the compliment   :)  :thumbsup:
The truth is that I know your source for this puzzle  8).  It is at  :censored: 
I'm off to Goodwood tomorrow and Sunday so it'll be a while before I have time to continue looking - particularly if I find something at Pooks or Chaters to distract me
The second 100 will be far slower than the first.  Puzzles are getting harder as the stock of unsolved cars out there steadily reduces.  And I know nothing of European coachbuilders, East European, South American or Far Eastern car makers and US customisers
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 16, 2011, 09:47:16 AM
The second 100 will be far slower than the first.  Puzzles are getting harder as the stock of unsolved cars out there steadily reduces.  And I know nothing of European coachbuilders, East European, South American or Far Eastern car makers and US customisers
That was and remains my problem too: I struck (un) lucky enough to make it and look at me now!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 04:22:10 AM
After a week with the Experts the Pros can have it (while D-Type is at Goodwood, and before he gets them all . . . )
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 04:25:12 AM
Repeating post no. 5 to help you find it!

Here is a summary of the correct answers so far. Points will be added later.

Chassis 1 3 litre Bentley, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 2 Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica, solved by Tom_I
Chassis 3 Aston Martin International, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 4 1938 Atalanta, solved by D-type
Chassis 5 1949 Bentley Mk VI , solved by D-type
Chassis 6 BMW 315, solved by Woodinsight
Chassis 7 1934 Bugatti Type 59, solved by D-type
Chassis 8 E-type ERA , solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 9 Lotus Elan, solved by: qwaszx
Chassis 10 1935 Trojan Mastra, solved by D-type
Chassis 11 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 12 MG R-type, solved by Tom_I
Chassis 13 1929-1936 Rolls Royce Phantom II, solved by D-type
Chassis 14 1937 SS Jaguar 100 3.5 litre, solved by D-type
Chassis 15 Humber Pullman c1948, solved by Woodinsight
Chassis 16 1926 Morris Cowley, solved by D-type
Chassis 17 1938 Brough Superior V12, solved by D-type
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: neilshouse on September 18, 2011, 04:29:12 AM
No. 11 looks like a Mercedes Benz 300 SLR

And No. 1 looks like a 3 litre Bentley.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Tom_I on September 18, 2011, 05:47:55 AM
Chassis 2 has a distinctive suspension set-up - independent front with upper transverse leaf springs, and rigid rear axle on torsion bars with a central A-frame.

I'd guess it's a post-war Frazer Nash, possibly a Le Mans Replica, but I'm not certain.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: neilshouse on September 18, 2011, 05:53:40 AM
Is No. 8 An ERA E-Type?

And No. 6, is it a BMW 303?

No. 3, is it an Aston Martin International?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Tom_I on September 18, 2011, 07:46:45 AM
Chassis 12 is obviously a single-seater. It has all-independent suspension by wishbones and longitudinal torsion bars, a Wilson pre-selector gearbox, and an unusual steering box positioned behind the engine. I think that all fits with the MG R-Type of 1935.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 09:03:53 AM
No. 11 looks like a Mercedes Benz 300 SLR

And No. 1 looks like a 3 litre Bentley.
They do because they are!
both correct
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 09:04:30 AM
Chassis 2 has a distinctive suspension set-up - independent front with upper transverse leaf springs, and rigid rear axle on torsion bars with a central A-frame.

I'd guess it's a post-war Frazer Nash, possibly a Le Mans Replica, but I'm not certain.
Yes that's what it is!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 09:12:06 AM
Is No. 8 An ERA E-Type?

And No. 6, is it a BMW 303?

No. 3, is it an Aston Martin International?
No 8 is the E type ERA
No 3 is an Aston Martin International
No 6 is not a BMW 303
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 09:13:47 AM
Chassis 12 is obviously a single-seater. It has all-independent suspension by wishbones and longitudinal torsion bars, a Wilson pre-selector gearbox, and an unusual steering box positioned behind the engine. I think that all fits with the MG R-Type of 1935.
Everything you've spotted and listed fits the R-Type as a unique combination, so yes!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2011, 09:33:56 AM
Is #6 a Frazer Nash BMW 319?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 18, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
#6 - BMW 315?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 01:45:50 PM
Is #6 a Frazer Nash BMW 319?
#6 - BMW 315?
The source says it is:
BMW. 1.5 litre 6-cylinder tourer. 1934 'Alpine Trial '
which I think makes it a 315 so I'll say you've got it.
319 was 1911cc, but you can't say that by looking at it!
I think 1934 predates Frazer Nash involvement.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 18, 2011, 01:59:46 PM
#16 - Clyno 10.8hp mid-1920s?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 02:13:46 PM
#16 - Clyno 10.8hp mid-1920s?
Right period but not a Clyno
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Wendax on September 18, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
#17 Autovia V8?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 18, 2011, 02:38:34 PM
#16 - on second thoughts, it appears to be LHD and therefore probably not British?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
#17 Autovia V8?
Not an Autovia, nor V8!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 18, 2011, 05:45:39 PM
#16 - on second thoughts, it appears to be LHD and therefore probably not British?
Doesn't look LHD to me, and it is British.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 12:44:04 AM
#16 - on second thoughts, it appears to be LHD and therefore probably not British?
Doesn't look LHD to me, and it is British.
It's my eyesight I suppose!
Could it be a Trojan?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 19, 2011, 03:23:07 AM
#16 - on second thoughts, it appears to be LHD and therefore probably not British?
Doesn't look LHD to me, and it is British.
It's my eyesight I suppose!
Could it be a Trojan?
Not a Trojan.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 19, 2011, 08:24:24 AM
#16 - Hillman Ten?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 19, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
#16 - Hillman Ten?
Sorry no.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 19, 2011, 03:17:34 PM
#16  Morris Cowley 1926?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 19, 2011, 06:19:08 PM
#16  Morris Cowley 1926?
That's the one - just after they went from bullnose to flatnose.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: D-type on September 20, 2011, 03:18:34 PM
#17  Brough Superior with V12 Lincoln engine from 1938 or so
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 20, 2011, 05:41:53 PM
#17  Brough Superior with V12 Lincoln engine from 1938 or so
That's the one!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 21, 2011, 02:41:10 AM
#15 - Armstrong-Siddeley?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 21, 2011, 04:18:05 AM
#15 - Armstrong-Siddeley?
No,
 but right city of origin . .
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 21, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
#15 - Humber?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 21, 2011, 04:59:06 AM
#15 - Humber?
Yes but which one?
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: woodinsight on September 21, 2011, 05:11:06 AM
#15 - Humber?
Yes but which one?
I have to say I'm not very good on production cars.....
However I'll have a guess at a Humber Pullman c. 1948....
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 21, 2011, 05:37:47 AM
#15 - Humber?
Yes but which one?
I have to say I'm not very good on production cars.....
However I'll have a guess at a Humber Pullman c. 1948....
I wonder why you guessed that, which happens to be correct!
Well done and that's finished this now.

Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw
Post by: Allan L on September 21, 2011, 05:45:52 AM
Repeating post no. 5 to help you find it!

Here is a summary of the correct answers so far. Points will be added later.

Chassis 1 3 litre Bentley, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 2 Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica, solved by Tom_I
Chassis 3 Aston Martin International, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 4 1938 Atalanta, solved by D-type
Chassis 5 1949 Bentley Mk VI , solved by D-type
Chassis 6 BMW 315, solved by Woodinsight
Chassis 7 1934 Bugatti Type 59, solved by D-type
Chassis 8 E-type ERA , solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 9 Lotus Elan, solved by: qwaszx
Chassis 10 1935 Trojan Mastra, solved by D-type
Chassis 11 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR, solved by Neilshouse
Chassis 12 MG R-type, solved by Tom_I
Chassis 13 1929-1936 Rolls Royce Phantom II, solved by D-type
Chassis 14 1937 SS Jaguar 100 3.5 litre, solved by D-type
Chassis 15 Humber Pullman c1948, solved by Woodinsight
Chassis 16 1926 Morris Cowley, solved by D-type
Chassis 17 1938 Brough Superior V12, solved by D-type
So points have been awarded as follows:
8 to D-type
4 to Neilshouse
2 to Tom_I
2 to Woodinsight
1 to  qwaszx

Well done all of you and thanks for taking an interest
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw: solved
Post by: woodinsight on September 21, 2011, 06:53:31 AM
Great puzzle Allan - hope you do another in the future!
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw: solved
Post by: Allan L on September 21, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
Great puzzle Allan - hope you do another in the future!
Might well do. However for some time I had my eye on the souce that I mined for this one, and the chassis seam has nearly run out.
Might do an engines group next, probably when Duncan's on holiday as he knows the source, all 250 pages of it ;D
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw: solved
Post by: neilshouse on September 21, 2011, 11:25:24 AM
Thank you for a really good puzzle Allan, I'm looking forward to the engine one.
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw: solved
Post by: D-type on September 21, 2011, 04:06:47 PM
If you ask me nicely I'll give the next one a miss. 
And I won't tell anyone else the mother lode, no matter how nicely they ask. :-X  :shakehead:   
Title: Re: What the coachbuilder saw: solved
Post by: Allan L on September 21, 2011, 05:54:40 PM
If you ask me nicely I'll give the next one a miss. 
And I won't tell anyone else the mother lode, no matter how nicely they ask. :-X  :shakehead:   
Thanks for the offer, but if and when I do a next one I'll leave it open to you and it'll be your decision how much of it you do. Or I'll post it in Pros & Feature Writers first . . .
I think there are others here that we sometimes see in the other place, so you may find it a bit more frenetic.