bentleybob 36 Hoyal Daimler

[bentleybob]

A sizeable motor car: make, type, by whom, and in which year please, for a point, and who ordered it, through whom, why and who is in the car on what occasion for another point?

[RayTheRat]

I've identified the car and the party I believe to be the owner, but I can't find anything about the "through whom, why and who" parts.

Should I proceed?

[bentleybob]

Give it a try, and let's see how much you got together...and if it is right..

[RayTheRat]

Ok.  1928 (or 29) Daimler Double Six Boattail Skiff, purchased by John (JA) Mackie, "footballer" for Arsenal FC.

That's all I found.

r

[bentleybob]

for one point, I would like to have the coachbuilder..(by whom),
and you are travelling in the right direction with the second set, except for the footballer bit which I think is quite untrue. In those days footballer did not earn the sort of money they would do now, and it was very much an sports for the lower classes.
I will LOCK it for you to find the correct answers to complete..

[RayTheRat]

It looks like the Walter coachwork on the 32 Sport Sedan. 

If that's not it, I'll keep digging.

[bentleybob]

No, not Walter, keep digging. Still LOCKED for you.

[RayTheRat]

The only reference I could find mentions a coachbuilder named Hoyal.  I'm not familiar with that name.

[bentleybob]

So: 1928 (or 29) Daimler Double Six Boattail Skiff by Hoyal : that's one point for you. Do you want to try the rest as well?

[RayTheRat]

Thanks, but no thanks.  I'll leave that to someone with more resources than I.

[bentleybob]

OK, UNLOCKED, for the second half of the question... (who ordered it, through whom, why and who is in the car on what occasion for another point?)

[bentleybob]

up for the second part?

[72Must]

At '29 concours d'elegance at Brighton , body designed by owner JA Mackie & known as "magic carpet" ?

[bentleybob]

LOCKED for you to complete all outstanding questions

[bentleybob]

Unlocked as no answer is coming...

[bentleybob]

And up to the pros

[Wendax]

It was ordered by Joseph Mackle for his personal use throgh Stratton-Instone, later renamed Stratstone Ltd., the main Daimler distributors, whose director he was. No idea who is at the wheel: his wife?

[bentleybob]

That is so close to the truth I am going to let you have the point for that. It is indeed the wife of said Joseph Mackle, both London socialites. It was actually purpose built to win concours d'elegances with - which was a serious business at a time where Daimler was not making a mark there.
Daimler put the chassis at the disposal of their main London dealer Stratton-Instone for free, who had this body built by Hoyal (not one of the big 'names'), quickly and for very little money. Though the car itself was a success, and in this sense was the predessesor of the special low chassis Daimler Double Sixes of the years following, which are now winning the big American concourses, this car -as far as I know - has disappeared without trace. Daimler failed to make its mark as a fashionable car, partly also because they had not much of a reputation on the mainland of Europe, partly because the suspension seemed to particualry unsuitable for European roads. (Many of their customers in the U.K. also had a Rolls-Royce which they particualry would use for fast driving on the 'Continent'.) Another ill fated attempt was made by the Dockers (who ran Daimler in the late forties and early fifties) to achieve the same sort of glamour Rolls-Royce, French, German and Italian top cars did have, again to fail miserably, but at that time alienating their traditional Royal and country gentry customer base with the vulgar approach chosen.

[Wendax]

Thanks for the point (and a 'Thank you' to Allemano to make me look into a certain book where I found most of the solution  )

[Allemano]

Thanks for the point (and a 'Thank you' to Allemano to make me look into a certain book where I found most of the solution  )

You're welcome!

[bentleybob]

Oh, what book would that be?

[RayTheRat]

Oh, what book would that be?

That IS a very good question.  I'd sure be interested in the answer.

[Wendax]

Oh, what book would that be?

I found the car and a little bit of its history mentioned in Ferdinand Hediger, Hans-Heinrich von Fersen & Michael Sedgwick: Klassische Wagen 1919 - 1939,
which was published in 1988 and is a compilation of three books (hence the three authors) from the 1970s

[bentleybob]

I have the three older books..

[RayTheRat]

Thank you.