For one point: Identify the car and the driver
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British ?
No
Francais?
No
American ?
Partially
European with american engine ?
It is a European car, altered in the US by its owner/driver. I have e-mailed him to inquire about the engine, but as of now, I don't know what powered it.
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Italian base car ?
Yes!
Abarth-based?
Abarth 750 by Alfred S. Cosentino 1961 from USA?
Quote from: woodinsight on September 18, 2012, 09:39:33 AM
Abarth-based?
There are some important Abarth parts inside!
Morgan-Abarth 1960 ?
You're on the right track
Built by Gary Morgan, Rochester NY c.1959/1960 using Abarth mechanicals?
Right! The engine is an Abarth mill. I'll post the details Mr. Morgan sent me when I inquired. He repurchased and restored the car (built by his father in the the late 1950's), and it's now in his collection.
From Mr. Morgan:
"The Morgan - Abarth was built in 1959-1960 using a tube frame built by my Father and a modified Fiat 600 suspension, the engine was an Abarth Twin cam engine purchased from Carlo Abarth ( I still have the correspondence between my Father and Carlo). We raced the car with considerable success, sold it around 1967 and I bought it back in 1995, I have restored it completely and put together a notebook story of the car with good documentation of its build, racing and restoration".
Please , what is this car , for 1 point ? :)
Experts !
Does it have an unconventional power plant, ie not a 2- or 4-stroke IC engine?
No ! a conventional power plant !
CSSR
Not CSSR !
Hungary
Not Hungary !
Pros !
Italian ?
Should be Japanese. Hino?
Partially Italian !
Not Japanese !
Italian chassis?
American? Brock design?
Not Italian chassis !
So - Italian engine. Fiat powered?
Italian engine but not Fiat powered !
Is it by Conrero ?
Not Concero !
Alfa Romeo engine ?
Not Alfa Romeo engine !
Osca engine ?
Not Osca engine !
Lancia ?
Not Lancia !
Maserati?
Not a Lancia !
Motorcycle-engine?
Not Motorcycle-engine !
Sorry , not Maserati !
Now I hope to get clearer: Rear-engine... Abarth engine?
Yes ! Abarth engine !
Begra Mk III?
Not Begra !
European chassis?
Still no answer, if the car is American or not?
Forsgrini?
Sorry ! it's American !
Not Forsgrini !
Competing in the H-Mod SCCA-series?
Yes !
Davis Special?
Was this car built from a crashed Zagato coupe ?
Not Davis Special !
Not a crashed Zagato coupe !
Beach Mk 4 Abarth?
Not Beach Mk 4 !
Fibersport?
Not Fibersport !
Jaco?
Not Jaco !
Minning?
Is this car from a known manufacturer or is it a one-off homebuilt ?
Not Minning !
it is a one-off homebuilt !
Thorgeirson H-Mod Special 1963?
I just know the chassis and the engine !
Master !
Morgan-Abarth 1960
:thumbsup:
Morgan-Abarth 1960
1 point for oko94 ! :)
Thanks for my first point in 2 months :o
Very interesting puzzle. Congratulations to the puzzle-setter and -solver! Are there more technical details available about this car? As far as if competed in the 750ccm-H-Mod-class, its engine must be based on the Fiat-600-block (Fiat tipo 100D), like the 750 GT Zagatos, etc. (derivazione Abarth 750..)
Were the "H" and the maker's name erased from the original post?
If so, I think it is only fair to do so in a way that shows something has been erased. eg a black blob.
Why?
Would a black blob help anyone to solve the puzzle?
I like erasing things so you can't see anything was ever there and you'll see that on lots of the puzzles I (used to) set!
To illustrate what I'm trying to say with a hypothetical example: Some cars always had a badge or script in a particular place where similar models did not. This could be the identifier differentiating the two. Deleting the badge neatly so it looks as if the badge was never there can be deceptive. Or, some cars have a logo in the wheel centres. Erasing them is fine, but not if it's done so neatly that it looks as if the car had blank wheel centres -that is deceptive.
In this case the "H" shows the photo was taken at an SCCA event while the absence of it suggests a European or other non-SCCA event - and this is an American car that never raced without the "H"!
Correct or incorrect, in your opinion?
(Not too much left, to get an impression of the shape of the car..)
Well, I really don't think we should be leaving deliberate clues in the picture Duncan.
It's better to hide everything that might identify the car more easily - provided of course it's done within the rules!
Quote from: Carnut on September 13, 2021, 05:18:10 AM
Well, I really don't think we should be leaving deliberate clues in the picture Duncan.
It's better to hide everything that might identify the car more easily - provided of course it's done within the rules!
I agree. As it is, the race number of the car was left in view and this alone would enable a puzzler to check race results of the time - SCCA usually allocated a number to last for the entire season, rather like modern F1. It didn't help me ! ;D
Quote from: fromwien on September 13, 2021, 02:14:59 AM
Correct or incorrect, in your opinion?
(Not too much left, to get an impression of the shape of the car..)
Overkill.
Removing the "H", which says it's an SCCA number, is equivalent to adding a false number.
Quote from: fromwien on August 13, 2021, 02:47:39 AM
Competing in the H-Mod SCCA-series?
The "H" was for sure not very important to solve this puzzle: I asked 13/08/21, if the car competed in the H-Mod SCCA-series, and it still took about one more month to solve the puzzle..
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/rookie-racer-304-gary-morgan-in-the-morgan-abarth/msg228852/#msg228852
Merging?
Thanks.
Merged.