SAC#279 : Luc Court H4 S2 1936

[SACO]

What's this, from when - for 1 point ?

[Bill Murray]

Renault Vivasix  built 1930-1932??

[SACO]

Not a Renault !

[Bill Murray]

Hi Saco:
To reduce research time, hours now, French or Belgian???

[SACO]

French !

[Bill Murray]

Salmson S4D.
Working on the year.

[SACO]

Not a Salmson !

[MSRGRT]

Looks like an early to mid 30's Peugeot, except, I can't find anything about it anywhere. The shape of the radiatorgrille and headlight configuration, the relatively low wheelarches/fenders and the three horizontal lines on the side of the bonnet, as wlell as the top mounted windshieldwipers, all fit with Peugeot.... gonna do some more digging

[SACO]

Not a Peugeot !

[SACO]

Experts ?

[Bill Murray]

Berliet Dauphine ca. 1938/1939??

[SACO]

Not a Berliet !

[sixtee5cuda]

Were more than 10 examples produced?

[SACO]

The car is sold to order !

[frederick59]

Hotchkiss?

[sixtee5cuda]

Delahaye?

[SACO]

Not Hotchkiss or Delahaye  ; more confidential !

[Bill Murray]

Well Goodness!!!

Here we have two Americans, one Dutchman and one Frenchman trying to identify a very rare French car and
nobody seems to come close.

For what it is worth, not much, I have been doing identification of military "soft skin" vehicles for decades and
I have several identification points that I always try to use.

In this case, the body of the car is sort of a generic "close coupled sedan" as we would say in American
English and can be seen on any number of Renault, Peugot and other French cars as well as a few
Belgian and Italian makes.

At first, I was sure it was a Hotchkiss with the crossed cannons missing from the radiator mask but that did not work.

Note that it has a typical French type of front bumper used by some but not all French car manufacturers. Some used the
bumper with a "dip" in the center, some did not.  Next is the "style" of the louvers in the side of the motor hood.  In the case of this car,
there seem to be three rows of horizontal louvers and I have so far not been able to find exactly that configuration
except for Peugot.

Next is the type of wheel and cover over the wheel nuts and if we are lucky, there is sometimes the logo
of the manufacturer, not in this case.

Finally for this particular car, it appears to be right hand drive which would also indicate a "premium"
French brand.

Good luck to all to solve thls one

tge

[SACO]

 

[max]

Looks quite like a Matford V8-62 other than trim.  As for the "sold to order", were these also available under the Mathis name?

[magnette]

Luc Court H4 -  this particular photo was in the earlier editions of the Geogarno encyclopaedia - and I can't find my copy to hand- but I think this was the last version so circa 1936.  They modernised the body but made it only to special order, so very few must have been sold - the engine was pretty much a pre WWI design to the end, I think. Most of their vehicles by this period would have been trucks, rather than cars....    

[SACO]

 
Yes , Luc Court H4 S2 1936 !
Another point for you !

[RayTheRat]

Luc Court H4 -  this particular photo was in the earlier editions of the Geogarno encyclopaedia - and I can't find my copy to hand- but I think this was the last version so circa 1936.  They modernised the body but made it only to special order, so very few must have been sold - the engine was pretty much a pre WWI design to the end, I think. Most of their vehicles by this period would have been trucks, rather than cars....    

Yes.  It's exactly the photo from the 1982 copy of Georgano.  It's described as a 14hp Saloon.

RtR