SAC#357:Fiat 1100 barchetta 1946 by Frua

[Paul Jaray]

no x 2

[targhediferro]

Tenconi?

[Paul Jaray]

Not Tenconi.

[oko94]

Veneziana ?

[Paul Jaray]

Not Veneziana.
It's not a surname or a place.

[oko94]

Was the coachbuilder active from the 20s to the 40s ?

[Paul Jaray]

Nope...later & later.

[oko94]

AR ?

[Paul Jaray]

Locked for you. AR is the (very) short name. There are 2 more words and none is Carrozzeria. A and R are the initials of the coachbuilder.

[oko94]

Antonio Riccobono

[Paul Jaray]

That's the man. What are the 2 missing words?

[oko94]

The only words that I've seen associated with AR are Messina (1 word) and Omnia Motor Auto (3 words), so I have no idea what these two words can be. There's hardly anything about AR online.

[Paul Jaray]

You found it!
Carrozzeria A.R. (Antonio Riccobono) was active in Messina, in the Omnia Motor Auto (a Lancia's service workshop) locals.
I don't know why I was asking for 2 words (probably just Omnia Motor) but the full name was indeed Omnia-Motor-Auto.
I read in Als15's book that Frua's 1100 S car was commissioned by a client...was he Riccobono? I doubt Franz Riccobono (Antonio's son) who run his archive got it wrong (and now I see why the article shows only a back view...).
Point for you!

[targhediferro]

Sorry but if we suppose that this car was commissioned to Frua by a customer, perhaps Riccobono, so we're saying this car actually is a Fiat 1100 Frua....

[Paul Jaray]

I hope to receive more info about it.
I don't trust the magazine I took that article from very much but its source was Riccobono's son that is taking care of the archive.
I would not have made a puzzle with Frua's 1100 because it's not that obscure.
...but another point can be there for the missing link between Frua and Riccobono (if there is one). 

[Carnut]

I spent a very long time Googling all over the place for info on this car, and actually found it in numerous places.
But it was always, without exception, described as a Frua Fiat 1100.  One site was quite detailed about it and described it as the first car designed by the great Pietro after he set up on his own; there was no mention of Revelli di Beaumont or Riccobono anywhere...

There is an awful lot of mis-information on the 'Net (and a little correct info too!) but I don't think I've ever looked for something which was so comprehensively described everywhere as something it doesn't seem to be...

[Paul Jaray]

In Sannia's book about Fiat 1100 Fuoriserie, there is a picture of that car and I think the little logo below the turning signal is Frua's.
The article I have is quite long and detailed and the info provided came from Riccobono's son.
Revelli's involvment with Riccobono's Carrozzeria is proved by a rendering of Omnia-Motor-Auto's building signed by him and dated 1947.
I will contact Riccobono's son and see if he knows more.

[Wendax]

If it was the same car, it is a repost: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/sac357fiat-1100-barchetta-1946-by-frua/

[Carnut]

If it was the same car, it is a repost: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/sac357fiat-1100-barchetta-1946-by-frua/

Same car; different answer!
So not a repost?!

[Wendax]

Let's call it a legitimate repost. 

[Carnut]

Looking up info about Riccobono there is something on the 'Net about the car puzzled here:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2014-43/sac621-fiat-508-c-1939-rebuild-in-1949-by-riccobono-and-design-by-revelli-de-bea/msg310132/#msg310132

where it is described (with a plaque at a show) as being by "Riccorzzata Antonio Riccobono".

What does "Riccorzzata" mean?

[Paul Jaray]

"Ricarrozzata" means rebodied.

[Carnut]

"Ricarrozzata" means rebodied.

Thanks.  Sorry, I couldn't read my own writing!  Riccarrozzata it was...

[Paul Jaray]

I think it's time to move it.
I'll post here any further info, if available.
In the meantime, I'll merge them.