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BMW Michelotti?
It's a BMW and there might be a Michelotti connection, but I'm not aware of it and my source doesn't mention the designer of this particular model.
I need the designation and what it was inofficially called.
Michelotti was BMW design consultant back then, but wasn't directly involved in this project.
It looks like a Michelotti design; a prototype for the BMW 1500?
Quote from: Limo on April 17, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
It looks like a Michelotti design; a prototype for the BMW 1500?
:nod:
last chance for experts before I leave it to Professionals.
It will be solved within 5 minutes I guess.
Prototype BMW 1300 1958 by Alexander Von Falkenhausen ?
Quote from: SACO on April 25, 2012, 06:12:58 AM
Prototype BMW 1300 1958 by Alexander Von Falkenhausen ?
No
It looks rather more like the smaller BMW 700 to me, with those front indicators, the side rubbing strip and those bumpers, although it has a grille which is perhaps a dummy.
Anything to do with the 700?
Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2012, 09:22:05 AM
Anything to do with the 700?
Yes! Now put all bits together and you should find the solution...
I think this should be the first (dark) Hofmeister prototype, intended to be a 1000ccm engined car.
It shared the 700´s roof pavillion and had this clear horizontal grille.
The second (white) 1300ccm Hofmeister car had the well known "Hofmeister-Knick", the typical C-pillar shaped like most of the following BMW´s. The second prototype had the two elements of the 507 grille.
Actually I don't know..
Is this another of the prototypes for the BMW 1000, similar to your one last year by Wolfgang Denzel?
EDIT:
Whilst I was typing this grobmotorix actually modified his post rather than posting a new one, so your answer refers to the question he asked before, not what it says now...
Yes, it should be the first 1000ccm Hofmneister prototype as I´ve written before. I´ve found two more photos of it in an 1987 prototype magazine.
Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2012, 11:14:10 AM
Is this another of the prototypes for the BMW 1000, similar to your one last year by Wolfgang Denzel?
No. It's already told here what it was supposed to be. What I need is the name of this particular car and its quite plausible »moniker«.
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 11:06:35 AM
I think this should be the first (dark) Hofmeister prototype, intended to be a 1000ccm engined car.
It shared the 700´s roof pavillion and had this clear horizontal grille.
The second (white) 1300ccm Hofmeister car had the well known "Hofmeister-Knick", the typical C-pillar shaped like most of the following BMW´s. The second prototype had the two elements of the 507 grille.
It's not easy to follow you Monsieur! ;)
Now we're getting somewhere. It's indeed one of the first Hofmeister cars above the BMW 700 series, but wasn't a 1500, yet, so, what was it called?
In my source it has no name. It is only called a 1000ccm prototype, done by Hofmeister and here´s the photo:
Schrader has it as a 1300 cc prototype from 1959/60, based on a BMW 700, still mentioning no name
I took my pic from a book. It's captioned » BMW _ _ _ /_ _ _ _ "_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _" (year) «
The car you've posted seems to be the one with the 507 nose.
Quote from: Wendax on April 25, 2012, 11:34:53 AM
Schrader has it as a 1300 cc prototype from 1959/60, based on a BMW 700, still mentioning no name
I do not have it from the Schrader book and have it few years later*.
Maybe I stumbled (again) on a rotten source..? We shall see!
*maybe that's already a hint to a incorrect info.
O.K., It seems to be the Richter-Brohm 1600 prototype with the GP-HT 32 licence plate.
I´ll show the second Hofmeister-prototype in some minutes.
Here´s the second Hofmeister car, just to show it:
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 11:47:41 AM
O.K., It seems to be the Richter-Brohm 1600 prototype with the GP-HT 32 licence plate.
I´ll show the second Hofmeister-prototype in some minutes.
The licence plate is the same! :)
Sure, but I don´t have a name, still :(
I´m quite sure it has been constructed by Fiedler and Bönsch, but did it have a name?
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 11:52:14 AM
Here´s the second Hofmeister car, just to show it:
It's seems the one you've posted first has a split grill as well while the puzzle car has not!
Anyway, it's the "Richter-Brohm" car as the plate is the same.
However the caption doesn't mention these names, but as written in reply #21.
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 11:54:53 AM
Sure, but I don´t have a name, still :(
I´m quite sure it has been constructed by Fiedler and Bönsch, but did it have a name?
The book says yes - at least a designation/project name! It's easy to combine with the info you already have. Add a well known term of the BMW history and you're there.
Another source calls it "1,6 Liter Wagen mit Trapezlinie", "Mittelklasseprojekt" or just "Mittelwagen"
which describes its postion between the tiny Isetta/600 (Kleinwagen) and the big V8/503/507 cars (Großwagen).
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 12:05:02 PM
Another source calls it "1,6 Liter Wagen mit Trapezlinie", "Mittelklasseprojekt" or just "Mittelwagen"
which describes its postion between the tiny Isetta/600 and the big V8/503/507s...
I´ll keep on searching...
There you go! Locked for Grob!
So this will be my last guess:
it´s the Richter-Brohm "Mittelwagen" prototype.
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 12:13:54 PM
So this will be my last guess:
it´s the Richter-Brohm "Mittelwagen" prototype.
Don't hesitate! Look at reply #21. Each hyphen = 1 letter.
BMW 1300/1600 Mittelwagen? :P
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
BMW 1300/1600 Mittelwagen? :P
It can't be
1300 if you take a closer look and
1600 is a bit too much. >:D
Mittelwagen was correct and is correct! :D
Oh no...
I´ve got to leave home now, so my ultimate guess will be BMW "700/1500" "Mittelwagen"
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 12:44:34 PM
Oh no...
I´ve got to leave home now, so my ultimate guess will be BMW "700/1500" "Mittelwagen"
Tatatatataaaaaaaaaaaa! :applause:
Give me the year and the point is finally yours. I can wait till tomorrow if the pub is waiting...
Thank you! That was a kind of a torture...
You know what? Skip the year, the point is yours! I have to leave soon as well.
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in hinsight an astonishing achievement having digested italian classicism from michelotti and vignale into something as freh as this. truly innovation of clean crisp form.
The puzzle car is, according to former chief developer Karlheinz Lange, the last version of the Mittelwagen BMW 530, which was supposed to be powered by a 1600 cc engine.