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Title: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
Post by: Allemano on July 05, 2012, 02:59:51 PM
Ever seen this?
One point if you know the exact name of this car!

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Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 05, 2012, 04:13:34 PM
Lamborghini :)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 06, 2012, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: frederick59 on July 05, 2012, 04:13:34 PM
Lamborghini :)
No!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 06, 2012, 10:55:31 AM
Is it italian? if yes Maserati
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 06, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: frederick59 on July 06, 2012, 10:55:31 AM
Is it italian? if yes Maserati
Partly Italian, but no Maserati parts.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: spider on July 06, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
E type by Pininfarina?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 07, 2012, 05:30:31 AM
Quote from: spider on July 06, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
E type by Pininfarina?
No, far from that.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 05:41:21 AM
Sbarro?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 07, 2012, 05:42:22 AM
Quote from: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 05:41:21 AM
Sbarro?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 06:57:30 AM
Monteverdi?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 07, 2012, 06:57:52 AM
Quote from: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 06:57:30 AM
Monteverdi?
Neither.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 07:18:34 AM
Bizzarini?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 07, 2012, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 07:18:34 AM
Bizzarini?
No. Though quite recognizable only few parts are from an Italian company..
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 11:53:29 AM
Aston Martin :)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 07, 2012, 12:26:52 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 07, 2012, 12:28:00 PM
Ferrari? ???
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 08, 2012, 05:39:26 AM
Yes, Ferrari is involved.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: frederick59 on July 08, 2012, 09:00:09 AM
Bertone prototype?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 08, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: frederick59 on July 08, 2012, 09:00:09 AM
Bertone prototype?
No, more obsure.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Arunas on July 09, 2012, 12:43:53 AM
Nardi?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 09, 2012, 04:03:10 AM
Quote from: Arunas on July 09, 2012, 12:43:53 AM
Nardi?
Sorry Arunas, but I believe you're not downgraded, yet. :D

Has nothing to do with Nardi.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 11, 2012, 06:07:14 AM
Experts!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Arunas on July 11, 2012, 09:23:50 AM
Quote from: Allemano on July 09, 2012, 04:03:10 AM
Quote from: Arunas on July 09, 2012, 12:43:53 AM
Nardi?
Sorry Arunas, but I believe you're not downgraded, yet. :D

Has nothing to do with Nardi.

Ouch! My fault :)
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Iluvatar on July 11, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Triumph?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 12, 2012, 01:35:24 AM
Quote from: Iluvatar on July 11, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Triumph?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: darkface on July 14, 2012, 09:48:04 AM
Frua?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 14, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: fgsavoia on July 16, 2012, 03:57:02 PM
Motto?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 16, 2012, 04:09:02 PM
barking up the wrong tree...
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Iluvatar on July 17, 2012, 09:01:42 AM
ASA???
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 17, 2012, 09:14:56 AM
Quote from: Allemano on July 16, 2012, 04:09:02 PM
barking up the wrong tree...
Not ASA either.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 05:43:30 AM
Professional help needed...
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 05:53:43 AM
I've got a picture of this car and have searched high and low for it, but can I find it?!  No, I can't..

is it from South America?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 05:54:21 AM
Quote from: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 05:53:43 AM
I've got a picture of this car and have searched high and low for it, but can I find it?!  No, I can't..

is it from South America?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 06:09:28 AM
USA-built?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 06:30:04 AM
Swiss body?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: woodinsight on July 20, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Coachwork by Ghia-Aigle?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 06:09:28 AM
USA-built?
No.
Quote from: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 06:30:04 AM
Swiss body?
No...
Quote from: woodinsight on July 20, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
Coachwork by Ghia-Aigle?
..and no.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 09:17:33 AM
Italian bodywork?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 09:17:33 AM
Italian bodywork?
no.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 11:53:42 AM
Hmmm.... Intriguing.

German-built?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 11:57:38 AM
Not German either.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
British?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
British?
for the bodywork, no.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:22:18 PM
British chassis and Ferrari engine?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:22:18 PM
British chassis and Ferrari engine?
No. :D
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:41:31 PM
Ferrari chassis and British engine?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Well the bodywork looks the image of a Ferrari 250PF, so I wonder if someone has taken one of those and adapted it, which might be the Italian element?
So, does it have a British engine?

Edit:
But you did say the body wasn't Italian, so that can't be right can it..
Same question though: is the engine British?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:41:31 PM
Ferrari chassis and British engine?
Yes!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
Jaguar engine?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Well the bodywork looks the image of a Ferrari 250PF, so I wonder if someone has taken one of those and adapted it, which might be the Italian element?
So, does it have a British engine?

Edit:
But you did say the body wasn't Italian, so that can't be right can it..
Same question though: is the engine British?
Yes the engine is British. The builder was inspired by the shapes of a Ferrari 250.
He took the chassis of a worn-out Ferrari.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
Jaguar engine?
Yes.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
European bodywork?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
European bodywork?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:58:49 PM
From South Africa?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 20, 2012, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 01:58:49 PM
From South Africa?
No.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Wendax on July 20, 2012, 02:02:37 PM
Any connection to Clemente Biondetti's Ferrari 166 with Jaguar engine?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Actually one of my earlier questions (after eliminating North and South American) was going to be:

Was this car built in Australia?

I ask that because I've read about this car and the info is lurking somewhere in the depths of my mind, but recalling it is extremely difficult; I do seem to recall though that it wasn't European; am I right?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2012, 05:50:35 PM
Got it!
It's New Zealander Ferris de Joux's de Joux Special, AKA "Ferraguar".
I could see those BMC Farina rear lights so figured that if it wasn't the UK it just had to be Australia or New Zealand (NZ as it turns out)...

The Ferrari started out life as a 4.1/2 litre F1 racing car in the early 1950's, being raced by Taruffi and Froilan Gonzalez amongst others.  It arrived in New Zealand in 1955 and took part in the New Zealand Grand Prix in 1957, after which the engine was used to power a speedboat.  Ferris de Joux bought the chassis and spent two and a half years building the de Joux Special out of it, but decided on a 3.4 litre Jaguar engine as he thought that more suited to the character of the car.    The body was made out of glassfibre by de Joux himself, and he actually called it a Jaguar-Ferrari, reputedly hating the name "Ferraguar"!  He used the Pininfarina 250GT as inspiration for the shape and many parts from production vehicles were used, like the Austin A40 rear lights and rear bumper.
Apparently it took de Joux 2500 hours of work to complete this car!

Unfortunately the de Joux Special no longer exists.  The chassis has been used to recreate the original Formula 1 Ferrari and is in the collection of one Bernie Ecclestone..
Title: Re: Allemano's № 817
Post by: Allemano on July 21, 2012, 04:50:23 AM
Well done Carnut, well done! :thumbsup:


A unique and fascinating car, again modified to pure boredom!  >:(

I'd like to see it in its original 'soft purple'.
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
Post by: Allemano on October 16, 2013, 07:53:05 AM
and here it is:
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
Post by: Carnut on October 16, 2013, 10:14:50 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
Post by: dzima1985 on December 18, 2013, 02:02:13 PM
+ one rare photo
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
Post by: Allemano on August 08, 2024, 04:40:43 PM
The body shell of the car apparently still exists, but I much prefer the purple colour..
A Facebook page says it's only waiting for restoration...