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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2012 => Topic started by: Carnut on October 31, 2012, 11:15:15 AM
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I think it's time for another Bus Puzzle!
This time it won't be quite so big though, as they can be too difficult to administer.
Once again there are various rules which must be followed:
1) 1 point for make/model/year - as much as is known, and 1 point for operator/where operated - if known.
2) Maximum 4 points per puzzler for starters 6 points per puzzler, unless I give special dispensation. This avoids any one individual identifying everything.
3) Points will be awarded as we go along according to the information given; there can be 1, 2 or even 3 points per bus.
4) I don't necessarily know as must as the puzzler, so I may ask for links to check out the answers.
5) Do I need to say that Google Search by Image MAY NOT BE USED to find the answers!
Happy puzzling!
First set of pictures (2 lots of 12):
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Second set of pictures:
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Solutions and points awarded:
1. Six-Wheel Co. model 66 from 1926, bodied by American Motor Body Co and operated by the Firestone Rubber
Co between S. Akron and Cuyahoga Falls for its workers. Only 2 of this particular bus were made. 2 points to
Craig Gillingham and 1 to Joao for bodybuilder.
2. 1931 Versare operated by Boston Elevated Railway. 1 pt to woodinsight for make; 1 pt to pguillem for operator.
3. 1933 Thornycroft "King Kong" bodied by Grassi and operated by Companhia Geral de Transportes on route
Sao Paulo - Santos. 3 pts for Joao.
4. Volvo tourist bus operated in Bergen, Norway. 1 point for Wendax.
5. 1934 Foden, bodied by Foden and operated by Wheildons of Uttoxeter. 2 points for woodinsight.
6. Austin J2 coach 1968 with Walker Fineline body, operated by Gordon Holland. 2 points for pguillem.
7. Jordanian ELBA operated in Baghdad. 1 point to Wendax for make and 1 pt to pguillem for where operated.
8. London Transport AEC Regent STL cab-over-engine bus bodied by Chiswick garage abt 1935. 2 points to woodinsight.
9. Safeway Six-Wheel Co. model 66 bodied by St Louis Car Co in 1925 for Kansas City Railways. 2 points to
Craig Gillingham.
10. Isobloc Panoramique di Rosa - 1956. 1 point for pguillem.
11. 1948 Jensen luxury coach bodied by Reading. 2 points for woodinsight.
12. 1927 Karrier CL/6 bodied by Park Royal. 2 points to pguillem.
13. LAZ-360EM prototype - 1970. 1 point to del78.
14. 1956 Leyland Steer Coach for South African Railways. 2 points for pguillem.
15. 1935 Leyland Low-Loading Trolley bus prototype - 1 point to Joao.
16. 1927 Karrier WL6/2 bodied by Brush operated by Portsmouth Corporation. 2 points to Craig Gillingham.
17. 1926 Fageol operated by Los Angeles Motor Bus on Wilshire Blvd. 2 points for Joao.
18. 1926 Maudslay ML3 bodied by Hall Lewis and operated by Fallowfield & Knight. 2 points to Craig Gillingham.
19. 1944 Midland Red Daimler CWA6 bodied by Duple. 2 points for woodinsight.
20. Mercedes-Benz 0305 bodied by Willowbrook, operating in Singapore. 3 points for Wendax.
21. Yutong of Zhangzhou Citymaster double-deck bus operated by Skopje JSP. 1 point to Wendax for make; 1
point to pguillem for where operated.
22. Morris Commercial Imperial 1933, bodied by MCCW. 2 points for Wendax.
23. London General Omnibus Co Meadows-engined double-deck bus after rebodying by Duple in 1939 when sold
to White Heather. 2 points for woodinsight.
24. Alexander-bodied Dennis Enviro500 operated by GOtransit in Ontario. 2 points to Wendax.
Points awarded so far:
Craig Gillingham: 8
Joao: 7
Wendax: 10
Woodinsight: 11
Pguillem: 10
del78: 1
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Well, there don't seem to be any closet bus enthusiasts lurking amongst the Rookies so let's move this one up a notch..
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1. is a Safeway Six-Wheel coach, model 66 from 1926?
9. is a Safeway Six-Wheel coach with St Louis Car Co. coachwork. I think it the model 66 from 1925? I think it was operated by Kansas City Railways.
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1. is a Safeway Six-Wheel coach, model 66 from 1926?
9. is a Safeway Six-Wheel coach with St Louis Car Co. coachwork. I think it the model 66 from 1925? I think it was operated by Kansas City Railways.
9. Yes, that's right. The fact that it was bodied by St Louis Car Co almost certainly identifies it as one of the fleet of 66s delivered to Kansas City Railways in 1925. 2 points for that!
1. Correct bus, yes. 1 point for that, but another if you can tell me who operated this particular bus and where?
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1. Correct bus, yes. 1 point for that, but another if you can tell me who operated this particular bus and where?
This is a bit of guess work, but - the Northern Ohio Power & Light Co., and it was operated in Akron?
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1. Correct bus, yes. 1 point for that, but another if you can tell me who operated this particular bus and where?
This is a bit of guess work, but - the Northern Ohio Power & Light Co., and it was operated in Akron?
It did operate a service from South Akron to somewhere - but it wasn't Northern Ohio Power's!
Try again!
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1. Correct bus, yes. 1 point for that, but another if you can tell me who operated this particular bus and where?
This is a bit of guess work, but - the Northern Ohio Power & Light Co., and it was operated in Akron?
It did operate a service from South Akron to somewhere - but it wasn't Northern Ohio Power's!
Try again!
The Firestone companies?
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1. Correct bus, yes. 1 point for that, but another if you can tell me who operated this particular bus and where?
This is a bit of guess work, but - the Northern Ohio Power & Light Co., and it was operated in Akron?
It did operate a service from South Akron to somewhere - but it wasn't Northern Ohio Power's!
Try again!
The Firestone companies?
You edited your reply just as I hit the "Quote" button and it took me a few seconds to realise why I'd said "No"!
Yes, it was operated by the Firestone Rubber Co for its workers, between S. Akron and Cuyahoga Falls.
So that's another point and you done for the moment.. Let's see what others come up with.
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no13: some Karosa prototype?
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no13: some Karosa prototype?
It's not a Karosa, but you're on the right track..
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from CZ?
edit: LAZ 360EM from 1970
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from CZ?
edit: LAZ 360EM from 1970
Yes, it's a prototype so that's all there is to say about this bus.
1 point for you.
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Do I get to have another go at this puzzle?
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Do I get to have another go at this puzzle?
Not yet, as you've had the maximum 4 points as stipulated in the rules.
When I move it up I'll see what response I get, but there will be some Pro's who are ready with some answers so I'll have to wait until they've posted and things have tailed off a bit before I increase the number of points each puzzler may get.
It will be moving up to the Pro's within a few days at most.
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Time to give the Pro's a go.
Please do specially note the rules, in which there is no change as yet.
Will see what the Pro's make of it before decided if any amendments are necessary.
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Nice as usual! ;)
#3 - CGT - Companhia Geral de Transportes Thornycroft Bus with coachwork by Grassi, Sćo Paulo-Santos.
#17 - 1926 Fageol double-decker bus, ran on Wilshire Boulevard - Los Angeles.
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#4: Volvo sightseeing bus from Bergen, Norway, used for the "Bergen in a Nutshell Sightseeing Tour, Perle & Bruse", Bergen Cable Car Ulriken
#20: Mercedes-Benz O305 double-decker bus by Willowbrook (SBS5500S)
#22: Morris Commercial Imperial from 1933, MCCW H26/22R body
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Nice as usual! ;)
#3 - CGT - Companhia Geral de Transportes Thornycroft Bus with coachwork by Grassi, Sćo Paulo-Santos.
#17 - 1926 Fageol double-decker bus, ran on Wilshire Boulevard - Los Angeles.
Exactly right for both, yes. But #3 also has a nick-name which I really want before this one can be considered solved. Since you've given me the make, the bodybuilder and the route on which it operates you already deserve 2 pts for that, but I'll stretch the point and give you another point for its nickname if you can come up with it (it's locked for your reply).
#17 also earns 2 points, one for the make and year and another for where it was operated. So that's 4 pts so far but the chance of a 5th exceptionally.
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Great puzzle again -
No. 2 - Versare streetcar 1928
No. 5 - Foden 1934 (Foden built body) for Wheildon's of Uttoxeter
No.11 - Jensen 1948 with a body by Reading
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#4: Volvo sightseeing bus from Bergen, Norway, used for the "Bergen in a Nutshell Sightseeing Tour, Perle & Bruse", Bergen Cable Car Ulriken
#20: Mercedes-Benz O305 double-decker bus by Willowbrook (SBS5500S)
#22: Morris Commercial Imperial from 1933, MCCW H26/22R body
You're looking for slightly more points than you're entitled to but I will stretch it slightly to 6 for the Pro's now:
1 point for #4 - all correct.
2 points for #20 - correct on both counts, but where does it operate? Locked for your reply.
2 points for #22 - all correct.
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Great puzzle again -
No. 2 - Versare streetcar 1928
No. 5 - Foden 1934 (Foden built body) for Wheildon's of Uttoxeter
No.11 - Jensen 1948 with a body by Reading
Yes, I really enjoy putting these together!
#5: 2 points for correct make, date and operator.
#11: 2 points for correct make, date and bodybuilder (which I didn't know!)
That's your 4 points for the moment, although it does look like I'll have to stretch it to 6 for everyone (incl Craig Gillingham!) as I have already stretched it for both Wendax and Joao and must keep it fair.
However, #2 is wrong on both counts so you still have 2 points to go!
I see this takes you past 500 points! Fantastic! :applause: :applause:
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This leaves the opportunity for another point.
#21 Yutong Citymaster ZK6116HGS from 2011. I know where it is operated, but I keep quiet.
Sorry for stretching the limit. I thought it was just worth 4 points. Thanks!
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Thanks.
"King Kong"
Front picture :
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Indeed it was called King Kong!
So that gives you one more point, so that's 5 earned so far. You may get 1 more!
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This leaves the opportunity for another point.
#21 Yutong Citymaster ZK6116HGS from 2011. I know where it is operated, but I keep quiet.
Sorry for stretching the limit. I thought it was just worth 4 points. Thanks!
OK, that's your 6th point.
Someone else can earn a point for saying where this bus operates, as they can also do for #20.
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Thanks Carnut - on with the next 500!
Okay I'll pick no.23 as this is a highly unusual bus.
It's a 1930 LGOC CC Class with a Meadows engine. It started off life as a double-decker (one of four built) but was later bought by coach operator White Heather of Southsea and rebodied as a coach by Duple.
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Thanks Carnut - on with the next 500!
Okay I'll pick no.23 as this is a highly unusual bus.
It's a 1930 LGOC CC Class with a Meadows engine. It started off life as a double-decker (one of four built) but was later bought by coach operator White Heather of Southsea and rebodied as a coach by Duple.
Yes, absolutely right, well done. The rebodying by Duple was done in 1939, for the record.
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Well, It's worth pointing out that :
#1 - bodied by American Motor Body Co.
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Well, It's worth pointing out that :
#1 - bodied by American Motor Body Co.
Yes, you're right - it was! Your 6th point.
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#4 is an Isobloc 656 DH Panoramique SACA (1956)
#12 is a Karrier CL6/1 bodied by Park Royal (1927) "Speed 12 m.p.h"
#14 is a Leyland Steer built by the South African Railways (1956)
Waiting for other opportunities...
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I'll have to stretch it to 6 for everyone (incl Craig Gillingham!)
Excellent, thank you.
16. is a 1927 Karrier WL6/2 with a Brush H32/28R body. It was operated by Portsmouth Corporation, in Portsmouth.
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#4 is an Isobloc 656 DH Panoramique SACA (1956)
#12 is a Karrier CL6/1 bodied by Park Royal (1927) "Speed 12 m.p.h"
#14 is a Leyland Steer built by the South African Railways (1956)
Waiting for other opportunities...
I know you meant #10 rather than #4 so those are all correct.
5 points for you!
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I'll have to stretch it to 6 for everyone (incl Craig Gillingham!)
Excellent, thank you.
16. is a 1927 Karrier WL6/2 with a Brush H32/28R body. It was operated by Portsmouth Corporation, in Portsmouth.
That's right, so that's another 2 points.
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#4 is an Isobloc 656 DH Panoramique SACA (1956)
#12 is a Karrier CL6/1 bodied by Park Royal (1927) "Speed 12 m.p.h"
#14 is a Leyland Steer built by the South African Railways (1956)
Waiting for other opportunities...
I know you meant #10 rather than #4 so those are all correct.
5 points for you!
Thanks for your understanding !
Volvo #4 double-decker from Ulriksbanen, Bergen is a FM, as shown by Wikipedia Commons page
and #21 is not far from Greece. But Wendax knows that...
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Volvo #4 double-decker from Ulriksbanen, Bergen is a FM, as shown by Wikipedia Commons page
and #21 is not far from Greece. But Wendax knows that...
No. 4 is complete really so no more points available for that one;
but you've only got 5 points so far so you can still identify where #21 operates for your last point if you want?
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but you've only got 5 points so far so you can still identify where #21 operates for your last point if you want?
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I won't steal it, as Wendax was waiting for it.
Instead, I think that #2 is the Versare of the Boston Elevated Railway, for which I found this description :
Thank you to all who identified the Boston Elevated Railway bus #1204. It was built by, the drum roll please, the Versare Corporation of Albany, New York. From the information that people had sent us, the Versare Corp. built buses from 1925 through 1931. They became a part of the Cincinnati Car Company around 1929 and the bus pictured seated 37 passengers. The Versare buses were considered advanced for their day and some were powered by gas-electric motors. A number of transit companies in cities throughout the Untied States and Canada purchased them besides the Boston Elevated Railway, including Albany, Cleveland, Montreal, and New York.
The image can be found by googling it.
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I won't steal it, as Wendax was waiting for it.
Go ahead, Patrick. It's okay with me. :)
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but you've only got 5 points so far so you can still identify where #21 operates for your last point if you want?
I won't steal it, as Wendax was waiting for it.
Instead, I think that #2 is the Versare of the Boston Elevated Railway, for which I found this description :
Thank you to all who identified the Boston Elevated Railway bus #1204. It was built by, the drum roll please, the Versare Corporation of Albany, New York. From the information that people had sent us, the Versare Corp. built buses from 1925 through 1931. They became a part of the Cincinnati Car Company around 1929 and the bus pictured seated 37 passengers. The Versare buses were considered advanced for their day and some were powered by gas-electric motors. A number of transit companies in cities throughout the Untied States and Canada purchased them besides the Boston Elevated Railway, including Albany, Cleveland, Montreal, and New York.
The image can be found by googling it.
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I'm quite happy for Patrick to complete no. 2 but I'd thought I'd already identified it - see post no. 20.
Anyway I've already filled my quota of points.... ;)
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but you've only got 5 points so far so you can still identify where #21 operates for your last point if you want?
I won't steal it, as Wendax was waiting for it.
Instead, I think that #2 is the Versare of the Boston Elevated Railway, for which I found this description :
Thank you to all who identified the Boston Elevated Railway bus #1204. It was built by, the drum roll please, the Versare Corporation of Albany, New York. From the information that people had sent us, the Versare Corp. built buses from 1925 through 1931. They became a part of the Cincinnati Car Company around 1929 and the bus pictured seated 37 passengers. The Versare buses were considered advanced for their day and some were powered by gas-electric motors. A number of transit companies in cities throughout the Untied States and Canada purchased them besides the Boston Elevated Railway, including Albany, Cleveland, Montreal, and New York.
The image can be found by googling it.
I'm quite happy for Patrick to complete no. 2 but I'd thought I'd already identified it - see post no. 20.
Anyway I've already filled my quota of points.... ;)
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You're right. That's just because Carnut answered
However, #2 is wrong on both counts so you still have 2 points to go!
Boston Elevated Railway was the proof.
Anyway, how about Skopje for #21 Yutong City Master ?
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OK, slight cock-up here as I had #2 as a 1931 Twin Coach, but clearly that was wrong. That's why I said woodinsight wasn't right,
so really he's due another point for getting that right after all.
Also Pguillem is due a point for getting the Boston Elevated Railways bit of that one right, which takes his tally to 6; but he's also due another point for identifying the Yuton in #21 as being operated in Skopje (actually by JSP), which takes his total to 7 as well.
So that takes each of those puzzlers to 7 points, for which I will make an exception since they have been earned in good faith, but the maximum for the moment still remains at 6 per puzzler..
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Here's another picture of #21, the Yutong Citymaster, in service with JSP in Skopje.
Compare its appearance with the one of the first prototype London Routemasters back in the mid 1950's!
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The story behind it is that ex-London doubledecker buses were used in Skopje until 1963 when an earthquake devastated most of the city.
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The story behind it is that ex-London doubledecker buses were used in Skopje until 1963 when an earthquake devastated most of the city.
That was nearly 50 years ago!
Bus design has moved on somewhat in the meantime, but maybe they wanted some nostalgia!
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The story behind it is that ex-London doubledecker buses were used in Skopje until 1963 when an earthquake devastated most of the city.
I was in Skopje short after the earthquake. I didn't see any double-decker, but in fact very little remained. A very sad view.
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Was no6 made in Asia?
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Was no6 made in Asia?
No.
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OK, it's been 3 days since an ID so apart from being open to anyone who has scored less than the maximum, those who have already gained 6/7 points may now identify ONE more each (make/model/year/operator where known) for 2 more points!
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OK, it's been 3 days since an ID so apart from being open to anyone who has scored less than the maximum, those who have already gained 6/7 points may now identify ONE more each (make/model/year/operator where known) for 2 more points!
Good news ! #6 is the Austin J2 from 1968, property of Gordon Holland. It was called as the World's most Ugly PSV.
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Number 15 - 1935 leyland TTL bus from london
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OK, it's been 3 days since an ID so apart from being open to anyone who has scored less than the maximum, those who have already gained 6/7 points may now identify ONE more each (make/model/year/operator where known) for 2 more points!
Good news ! #6 is the Austin J2 from 1968, property of Gordon Holland. It was called as the World's most Ugly PSV.
Indeed it is, so that's 1 point for the ID and 1 more for the Operator.
I've seen far uglier coaches than this; I'll try to dig some of them out for my next Bus Puzzle!
The original picture:
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Number 15 - 1935 leyland TTL bus from london
Leyland TTL is right, but it's not from 1935 and was nothing to do with London.
I'll lock this one for you to dig further into and say exactly what the Leyland TTL was and from when it dated.
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No.8 is an AEC Regent STL class with an LPTB Chiswick built body from the mid 1930s. Operated by LPTB - London Passenger Transport Board. This bus was originally STF 1.
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Is No7 a Chinese King Long?
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Interesting, I thought it was from London and 1935 (prototype).
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#24: An Alexander Dennis Enviro500 double-decker bus belonging to GO Transit. Seen at York University in the northern suburbs of Toronto, Canada.
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18. Is a 1926 Maudslay ML3 with Hall Lewis coachwork. Operated by Fallowfield & Knight.
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No.8 is an AEC Regent STL class with an LPTB Chiswick built body from the mid 1930s. Operated by LPTB - London Passenger Transport Board. This bus was originally STF 1.
Yes, it is. I've seen few pictures of this full-cab STL; I wonder what happened to it..
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Is No7 a Chinese King Long?
No - it's not from China!
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#24: An Alexander Dennis Enviro500 double-decker bus belonging to GO Transit. Seen at York University in the northern suburbs of Toronto, Canada.
Exactly. That's your 2 points..
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18. Is a 1926 Maudslay ML3 with Hall Lewis coachwork. Operated by Fallowfield & Knight.
Yes! 2 more points for you..
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Interesting, I thought it was from London and 1935 (prototype).
Actually you're right about the date; I had it as 1937 but that is incorrect.
So as per the picture you have posted it's a prototype Leyland TTL Low-loading trolley-bus.
But it had nothing at all to do with London! I know it appears on a London Bus site but that's just someone today illustrating that this 77 year-old bus could serve today as a suitable replacement for the much-loved Routemaster, with its modern front door AND an open rear platform (just like the brand-new "Boris bus"!), plus the attraction of zero-emissions. I know its picture also appears on a London Bus Pictures website, but that picture is of the bus doing a demonstration run in Bolton. There is no evidence at all of the bus ever going to London or of London Transport ever being interested in it. Sadly this bus, which was quite advanced for a 1935 British design, never entered production.
Anyway, you've identified what it is so that's another point for you!
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Points still to be earned:
No 7. What is it and where does it operate? 2 pts
No 19. What is it, who bodied it, when and who operated it? At least 2 pts - maybe more!
No 20. Where does this bus operate? 1 point.
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Can I just add for the record (no points thankyou) that the Austin J2 (No.6) has a Walker Fineline body.
Am I also allowed to answer one of the three remaining puzzles?
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Can I just add for the record (no points thankyou) that the Austin J2 (No.6) has a Walker Fineline body.
Am I also allowed to answer one of the three remaining puzzles?
Thanks!
OK, I'll open it all up now - but still no more than one more max 2 point ID per puzzler!
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No 20. Where does this bus operate? 1 point.
Singapore Bus Service demonstrator
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No 20. Where does this bus operate? 1 point.
Singapore Bus Service demonstrator
1 more point!
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One more point for the fact that #7 is being built by Elba House from Jordan?
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Okay thanks Carnut, my last try is on no.19.
I believe this is a Daimler CW series built in the 1943/44 period with I think a Brush utility body that has been rebuilt early postwar - probably by Nudd Bros. & Lockyer. Operator is BMMO (Midland Red) and in service in Birmingham and environs.
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One more point for the fact that #7 is being built by Elba House from Jordan?
I just saw the Elba House double-decker when looking for Bagdad DDs a few days ago, but the actual bus looks somewhat different from Bus #7, which is shown on Iraq-business news site.
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One more point for the fact that #7 is being built by Elba House from Jordan?
OK, that's yours, and...
I just saw the Elba House double-decker when looking for Bagdad DDs a few days ago, but the actual bus looks somewhat different from Bus #7, which is shown on Iraq-business news site.
...the 2nd point for this one for this answer, which is of course correct. My puzzle picture is probably the prototype.
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Okay thanks Carnut, my last try is on no.19.
I believe this is a Daimler CW series built in the 1943/44 period with I think a Brush utility body that has been rebuilt early postwar - probably by Nudd Bros. & Lockyer. Operator is BMMO (Midland Red) and in service in Birmingham and environs.
I thought this one would be the last to go and so it has proved; it's rather difficult to track down.
It is indeed a Midland Red Daimler CWA6 from 1944.
But it wasn't bodied by Brush, although it does look identical to the Brush bodies fitted in the late 1940s to the Guys originally delivered with wartime utility bodies around the same time as this Daimler.
So you get 1 point for the info so far and I'll lock it for you to see if you can find out who did actually body this bus.
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No.19 is the body by Duple?
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No.19 is the body by Duple?
It is, yes!
So that just about wraps up this puzzle.
I'm collecting material for another one already!
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No.19 is the body by Duple?
It is, yes!
So that just about wraps up this puzzle.
I'm collecting material for another one already!
Thanks Carnut I enjoyed it a lot.....
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Nice puzzle. I enjoyed the limit for allotting the points, which gave an equal chance to the puzzlers from different time zones.